The Z Machine
Footballguy
I don't think we are a week away from closing out the OSC investigation, unless I missed something.
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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (14 Viewers)
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You missed rumors that Mueller’s report would be submitted to AG Barr by the end of next week, followed by a statement by the DOJ that Mueller’s report would definitely not be submitted to AG Barr by the end of next week.
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I don’t think that’s the right standard of proof. According to various fact-checkers, not everything Trump says on TV is always 100% accurate.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think it depends on whether anything matters anymore — a subject that the Supreme Court has yet to rule on.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I think he was lying to Lester Holt. Wasn’t his phrasing something like, “When I fired Jim Comey, I said to myself, ‘There’s nothing to this fake Trump-Russia stuff’”? I don’t think that’s exactly what he said to himself.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Looks like you're right.
I was thinking of the time in the Oval Office with no US officials there when he told the Russian spy chief he fired Comey because of the Russia stuff.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I'm asking for your opinion as someone who has defended Trump every step of the way regardless of the evidence from the onset and that evidence later revealed to in fact prove that there were dozens of meetings and communications with the Russians, but okay.
Let’s wait for report. I’m on record saying trump is a mess so if he goes it’s a win for the country. Everyone is acting like I’m a trump fan and have a hard understanding I’m for due process the then convicting someone in a forum.
I defend the process not the person. That’s was this country is about so what’s so hard to understand.
moleculo
Footballguy
You seemed to be attacking the process earlier wrt discussions pertaining to the 25th amendment.
Completely wrong. I was discussing who was lying about conversations involving 25th amendment and impact of credibility.
moleculo
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I linked the video interview where Trump admitted it. Don't be a jerk just because your brainwashed mind won't allow you to reason or accept reality.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
The report we may never see? Or if we do could be redacted or a summary from the AG Trump appointed, which could be (likely?) based on his public comments? The info I linked pieces together a pretty compelling arguement based on court documents. Imagine what we may learn from an unredacted filing, or a full report. Granted, this has some holes and I am in agreement to let the process play out, as long as the process isn’t obstructed, which is already happening, but I still have faith in our system.
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
Can’t wait to see what happens with Rohrabacher.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
No - just a departure from previous Trump trips where something has hit the news as soon as Trump is wheels up. New policy (or old policy newly enforced) of DOJ going silent on presidential investigations while the president is out of the country.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
How is Trump going to rile up his base when he can't constantly complain about a"fake witch hunt"?
caustic
Footballguy
One thing that we can be reasonably sure of is that there were probably some nefarious phone calls made during the campaign: https://twitter.com/djlavoie/status/1099342547653136385?s=21
joffer
Footballguy
It’s odd. If there is someone in the executive branch that hasn’t considered the 25th amendment by now, I would question their mental faculties.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
He's a three year old with cookie crumbs all over his face. 
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Well, if people are stupid enough to believe a proven liar with his back up against a wall maybe. I believe most of those folks are squarely in the "Trump is guilty" crowd already.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
You know what I always find fascinating? The non-Trump supporting Trump apologists crowd would absolutely being using Cohen to defend Trumps position if he was still team Trump and towing the Trump line. But now that he’s not he’s just a liar who’s word can’t be trusted. Interesting how that happens.
So we are convicting a sitting president in this forum - right. I’ve learned to not 100% accept what’s on the internet either in forums or content nor what the media tells us and hopefully you know why. Again let see what hopefully are most of facts when mueller report comes out. I was sarcastic as sno nuff always responds with absolutes like he is the final say in any and all arguments and is never wrong.
This is someone who has already learned the cost of lying to Congress - I'd like to think he does not go down that road again...
msommer
Footballguy
I said that given the historical precedent set by jd and fbi discussing to invoke 25th amendment. There been much debate that intent was for disable, death or inability to exercise powers. Since ratification in 1967, it’s been used for presidents during surgeries, when Reagan was shot and when Nixon resigned. None were generated from fbi or jd so it’s a type of coup imo. It’s a slippery slope that once it happens.
Dedfin
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
So we can’t judge things based on what he has done...but you have already judged it a coup and an attempt to overthrow a duly elected president?
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I’ve view it to be a unprecedented use of the 25th amendment and yes it could be called a coup.
Which should tell you the amount of information the FBI and DOJ had about Trump and how compromised he was. Wake up. You're trying so desperately to spin this that you're overlooking the obvious.
Wake up. This was not the intent of 25th amendment. What if the military, fbi and or jd didn’t’t like how a president was running things then it’s ok to for them to have discussions, approach cabinet etc and to get the president out? Like I said it’s a slippery slope and now you are empowering other parts of the govt....
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Slippery slopes bother you now? Where is your outrage about the national emergency? You think that's what that was put in place for? To try to get your way when you can't get it passed through Congress?
moleculo
Footballguy
Debate, huh?
1. That sounds like it's not settled what the intent of the 25th means. A strict reading won't find "disability or death". I guess you are one of those guys who doesn't believe in strict readings of the Constitution and are ok with interpreting as suits you best?
2. Is it possible to debate something without discussing? Is it possible that this very debate is what McCabe/Rosenstein discussed?
