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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (19 Viewers)
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Dedfin
Footballguy
Which proven liar are you referring to Cohen or Trump? Amazingly enough there are millions of people that believe the proven liar Trump.
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Cohen's entire existence was to keep Trump out of trouble. Anyone who doesn't think his crimes are done to cover up, and in conjunction with, Trump is being purposely aloof.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I’m stating my views with material for discussion vs the absolutes that you always use.. Proven, absolutely false, etc... this is why joe challenged you but apparently you can’t change...
It seems that way. I go food shopping and come back to 8 different posters challenging me.
Conspiracy theories?. It’s a matter of public record with McCabe on 60 minutes.. either it true or McCabe is lying. What is it..
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
I'm guessing that the nuances of discussing the 25th amendment and what it means are lost on some folks.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I don’t think the description you’re using in the first sentence is consistent with the statement of yours from the 15th I quoted.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
The 25th would require that the VP and Congress agree with a majority of the cabinet that the President cannot discharge his duties. There’s a rather large number of people who would have to be involved, solely to make the VP the President.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
"I don't accept what the media tells us" as the media broadcasts Trump speaking.
100 points for innovation.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I admit at times getting frustrated with board but believe I’m generally open to discusssion. I honestly didn’t know much about the 25th amendment before a few weeks and enjoy reading articles and papers about the history etc thought it would be a good topic for discussion but I guess not. Sad
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True but if they knew they had backing from others I.e jd, fbi, military, sc etc it would make more people think about making a power grab..
moleculo
Footballguy
I think it's a good topic for discussion, however I fully reject the concept that enacting the 25th is a coup. It's a legal, constitutional transfer of power.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
You’re suggesting that the majority of people appointed by the President, his running mate, and the majority of Congress would all be involved in a “power grab.” If that’s the case, it really sounds less like a coup and more like the majority of a government expelling one elected official.
Some legal scholars and others argue that only in situations where it’s a willing transfer. It appears unsettle due to the vagueness of amendment.
Trump has clearly lost some credibility within his cabinet, congress and his party based on his governing style
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Shocking isn’t it... that’s why I find it interesting. He clearly will go down as the most hated president.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
You had you a good deal of patient discussion about it yesterday. For instance it was explained that only the cabinet can implement the 25th, that the cabinet was never approached about it, and that the 25th was never used, implemented or activated. You even seemed to agree with this. And yet here you are arguing it was used.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
Yes, because discussing the 25th amendment is akin to a coup attempt. Slippery slope and all.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
It's a ####ty, misleading discussion designed to distract from real issues. I'm happy not to contribute to it.
The Narrator
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
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squistion
Footballguy
Adam Schiff:
DOJ "understands" that they are going to have to make the Mueller report public and if they don't, "we will obviously subpoena the report, we will bring Bob Mueller in to testify before Congress, we will take it to court if necessary."
Via ABC
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1099681687720456193
DOJ "understands" that they are going to have to make the Mueller report public and if they don't, "we will obviously subpoena the report, we will bring Bob Mueller in to testify before Congress, we will take it to court if necessary."
Via ABC
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1099681687720456193
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[scooter]
Footballguy
The 25th Amendment wasn't used when Reagan was shot.
Also, when Nixon resigned, the 25th Amendment had little impact since Article 2 already conveyed the powers of the presidency to Ford (the 25th merely clarified that Ford was "President" instead of "Acting President", which John Tyler had already unofficially clarified). The real impact of the 25th Amendment took place when Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned and Ford was nominated to take his place.
These are things that people should know before acting knowledgeable about the 25th Amendment on a fantasy football message board.
jonessed
Footballguy
There is zero chance the unredacted report makes it public. Schiff can fight the redactions in court if he wishes though.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Holy straw man.
I can see how it probably makes it a lot easier to argue when you insert key words though.
"There's no way Mr. Gorbachev is going to tear down the Berlin Wall with his bare hands! Reagan's welcome to try and make him though if he wants."
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Why is it some of you all try to conjure up Joe? And don’t seem to understand what he actually said to me?
I use things like proven...for things that have been proven. Why is that bothersome? Because it goes against your opinion?
The point is...you judged this your way...but are bashing others for passing judgement in other things. It’s hypocrisy at its finest.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
You think that's what the Dems would sue for, to have the unredacted report made public?
jonessed
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
What if the only thing offered is a summary written by Barr? Do you think after 2+ years Congress and the public deserve to see the full report - with confidential information redacted of course?
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Congress is not the public. And absolutely has the right to see the full report -- with the usual restrictions on who and where and how. Maybe it's just the Gang of Eight or whatever, but someone.
jonessed
Footballguy
I think a lot of it is going to fall into privileged communications and there will be a lot of angst and legal wrangling around it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/25th-amendment-colon-trump-reagan-bush-unfit-president-2017-10
used when Reagan had surgery and when Nixon resigned from what I found
It bully tactics. Shout down anyone that doesn’t have the same opinion yet I was just trying to have a discussion about 25th amendment.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Or it’s people acting independently and disagreeing with what many see as absurd conclusions of a coup (and have explained multiple times now why they disagree)...and doing so because people read a threaded topic from top to bottom and respond as they get to a post.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
It’s hard to start such a discussion by calling people hypocrites and declaring the use of the 25th Amendment a coup to remove the duly elected president.
A very good discussion happened previously on this board. Not sure which thread.
This shtick is tired
msommer
Footballguy
Everything is a conspiracy, right guy?
Like separate posters reading your judgement that a coup was attempted, then getting together, making a schedule for when each will engage you, to properly bully you, to bring you, (oh mighty) @stlrams down...
'Cause that really happens outside of paranoid fantasies, really, it does!
Use Occam's razor on that and what you get is
