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No, it's intended for the person who says "who knows what all those rich weirdos would lie about and what they wouldn't? They're so far removed from my world - reality tv stars, and makeup artists, and sports stars' wives and the like, I don't even know anyone who can vouch for any of them."
I dont get why you are so adamant that Trump resign because of this? How does these accusations affect you? What skin do you have in this game? People knew about this pre election and simply dont care. They just dont Tim. Your white knight quest to protect these women or give them voices or whatever is starting to become humorous. None of this should be affecting you the way you are portraying it. Trump is a scum bag, nobody is arguing that but what law is that breaking?
Is this intentional or do you not understand the "law breaking" part would be the sexual harassment and or sexual assault? I have yet to see anyone on these boards in any thread argue that being a scum bag is "breaking the law". Don't be so obtuse.
Have you ever seen Love Actually? [SPOILER ALERT] In that movie, BIlly Bob Thornton plays a sleazy, womanizing POTUS. He is visiting the UK and meeting with the dreamy Prime Minister of Britain, played by Hugh Grant. One night, Billy Bob visits the Prime Minister's residence to discuss policy, and when Hugh Grant steps out of the room momentarily, Billy Bob moves in on one of Hugh's staffers, who is obviously uncomfortable with his unwanted physical advances. Hugh comes back into the room and sees this, at which point everybody awkwardly separates. Afterwards, at a joint press conference involving Hugh and Billy Bob, Billy Bob tries to bully Hugh politically by pushing a "mutual" policy that actually just benefits the US. But, remembering Billy Bob's sleazy behavior, Hugh is having none of it. He rejects Billy Bob's claims that the policy is mutually beneficial, stands up for Britain, and does not submit to Billy Bob's attempted political bullying. Billy Bob is embarrassed and the US's diplomatic relations with one of its closest allies has been compromised.
I'm guessing here, but, he might be interpreting "breaking the law" as being convicted of something. Court of law, not public opinion.
Then get him in court to have it adjudicated properly. Sworn testimony from all parties in front of a judge. The White House ridiculously says the voters already decided his innocence. That is "public opinion", not law.
Where did I say that?So unless there has been a conviction there is no wrongdoing. I like this.
Sorry. So unless there are court proceedings there is no wrongdoing. Again, I like this.
Don't strain your back moving those goal posts....at least that appears to be what's going on. Hard to say. Might just be diarrhea of the mouth too..hard to say at this point. It seemed like you're saying "being a scumbag isn't illegal". That's true....no one has made an argument otherwise.
Moving goal posts? Do what now? I said he is a bad guy but a) that doesnt mean he should step down and b) why all the outrage now. What do you guys have invested in this thats so important? How is this affecting you?
This is the comment I read. To answer your question about how it affects me I'll say I have a daughter and a wife and a mother. That's plenty of skin to be had. I don't want the Trump alleged behavior to be acceptable, ever. So much so that I am absolutely fine with guilty until proven innocent in matters of sexual harassment and sexual assault. I also know I am barking up the wrong tree with a guy like he who's shown what you think of women in other threads. I know you won't get it. The above shows that you still don't get it and that's fine. Only you have control over that. We can't change your mind.
To be fair your posts are confusing. You say you are fine with guilty until proven innocent but then you want him to step down?
I guess we can agree to disagree on how we feel about Trump and the influence he may have on other mens behavior. And the guilty until proven innocent is just dumb and what I was afraid of this movement coming to. No common sense, no rational thought etc. I dont think Trump stepping down will make this world a better place for your kid or wife but if you have some deep thought that it might then yeah you answered my question as to why you are so invested in this. And to your comment about what I think of women you have no clue and dont pretend you do. Where has all of this faux rage been from you guys then all these years? Its like I said you pick this wave to be white knights and like all the other things I am sure it will die down and we move on to something else. But as far as me not "getting" sexual assault or harassment I guess its a matter of defining "get". I am not like you and tim and throwing all this behavior under one convenient umbrella and labeling these things side by side along with rape. Thats just stupid. Each of these cases are different and throwing each guy to the wolves as soon as they come out is a huge disservice to both sides. It swings the pendulum too fast and creates unbalance.
There's no doubt in my mind we're seeing a reaction and push back against Trump. People are not only mobilizing to vote but making their voices heard that was deemed acceptable on 11/8/16 will no longer be tolerated going forward. It's been my hope that there would be a reckoning for the damage done that day and it would appear that has begun to occur. Still a long way to go but some real positive strides taken in the right direction.
Of course they aren’t the same. Things don’t have to be the same to have an analogous effect on groups of people.
That's how I was interpreting the discussion. (I hoped that was the implication and I was probably leaning that way because of my hopefulness.....)
If you're truly interested, go back and reread my comments and the comments I was responding too. What I take issue with in those comments is this notion that somehow defending these women is "humorous" and that people want Trump thrown in jail because he's a scum bag. Your question here seems to be independent of that, but to answer it, yes I want him to step down and I have dozens of reasons for wanting that outside of him being a scum bag and/or sexual predator. Take either of those or both of those out of the equation and it's still an incredibly long list. That list starts with my concern that Trump has the emotional stability of a 5 year old and is on par with a whacko dictator in North Korea as far as ability to process what's going on in reality.
As I said before, I'm not going to change your mind. To the bold, all I have to go on is what you present here. Based on that, I am comfortable with my assessment. If you want to provide other evidence to the contrary, that's up to you. Things like this I am always happy to revisit and admit that I was wrong. I'll leave the rest of the strawman babble be other than to say, my opinions on this sort of thing have never wavered and I've been clear on my position for years. I've been here all along. This isn't a new cause....at least for me
I tried to clarify it
I am DW....I am. I understand how our legal system works and respect it and abide by it. That's independent of the court of public opinion.
And here we go again.
They certainly can be. I nearly was.
I don't know what your situation is. And no offense to you, but whatever happened to you is anecdotal. In terms of sheer numbers, I was told at several college campuses that 2 out of every 5 female students that attend university are sexually harassed or worse. I strongly suspect those numbers, which are based only on what is reported, is far too low. Just about every adult woman I know has faced this at least once in their life, usually many, many, times. Most of them just don't talk about it. Until now, that is. Our society is changing for the better, and if you're not part of the solution, well, you know the rest.
I disagree. They show something. Now as outlier anecdotal matters occurring only sporadically they don't illustrate any trend or pattern, but they do serve as a caution. How one weighs that caution is another matter. Me, I don't take those matters as reasons to dismiss the credibility of current reports, but I do take them as indications that reports need to be well and rationally considered for their internal consistency and for their comporting with objectively observable or confirmable facts. Those who try to use those incidents as a bulwark against welcoming reporting, well those folks I dismiss and I then harbor negative impressions of their character.
The attempt to make every conversation binary is getting old lately.
Some issues never die. The character of our leader is always relevant, it says something about us all, in an ongoing way. I believe.
On a single accusation? Sure. When there are multiple accusations and multiple accounts of the same accusation...seems perfectly reasonable to think someone is likely guilty in a message board context.
Had Franken done any of those things while in office? I doubt you had the same opinion about that.
5 star shtick. Can't top this parody.
Again misrepresenting my position.
They show "something" just not what appears to be intended. Not really sure why they were even brought up??? As anecdotes? Ok, yes anecdotes exist even in the realm of sexual assault/harassment. Are there times where my assumption that the allegations are true falls flat? Sure. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen. However, I am always content with letting the process play out and the courts doing their thing. It's pretty refreshing to be wrong in these instances....I wish it happened more.
That's not whataboutism....hth.
