The Man With No Name
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Carson - 12 games in 2015, 9 in 2016 at Ok St.
NFL - 4 in 2017, 14 in 2018
NFL - 4 in 2017, 14 in 2018
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RB Rashaad Penny, PHI (3 Viewers)
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Ben Albright may be suggesting Penny is included in a Clowney trade: https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/1167806790215458817?s=21
Soulfly3
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The Frankman
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Notable because maybe this is the game he starts turning this into a legit 1A/1B situation.
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LittlePhatty
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I'm buying.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Bummer for Penny, but as a Carson owner I was a little nervous after he put the ball on the ground last week. Redemption coming?
habsfan
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Mister CIA
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Faust
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Carson just fumbled the job away.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I can see Prosise used as he was in the past on some passing packages, but not like he'll be looked at as a runner going forward - guy was 4/5 on the ground. Was much more effective as a pass catcher.
I'm afraid it's Penny who will be the beneficiary of Carson's fumble-itis.
We will see if Penny can take the job -- he looks much better this year, but still needs to prove he can be effective with the lion's load. We'll see if he get's that share and what he does with it when he does.
The Frankman
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Why are there so many people in the Carson thread saying he's done and like nobody in the Penny thread?
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Mark Football
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I would guess because there are a lot of people out there relying on Carson for RB2 production so his status and playing time are kinda a big deal. Most Penny owners are just sitting back not expecting much but hoping he gets his chance at some point and is actually good.The Frankman said:
kittenmittens
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I'm biding my time with this... I dont think Carson will last. Between fumbles, injury, or innefectiveness due to his marginal talent diminished even a little due to playing through an injury seem imminent.
The reason I think the above is that Carson just seems to take a beating. He's like the opposite of an RB who never takes square hits. He doesn't even try to be elusive and he doesn't run out of bounds. He's always fighting for more yards, and he's pretty slow... Lots of opportunities to get absolutely blasted and get injured or fumble. I don't see a long shelf life there.
I like the way he runs though, it's very effective how downhill he is.
The reason I think the above is that Carson just seems to take a beating. He's like the opposite of an RB who never takes square hits. He doesn't even try to be elusive and he doesn't run out of bounds. He's always fighting for more yards, and he's pretty slow... Lots of opportunities to get absolutely blasted and get injured or fumble. I don't see a long shelf life there.
I like the way he runs though, it's very effective how downhill he is.
Ilov80s
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
That's my take, too. If Carroll truly is OK moving away from Carson, he'll want Penny fully healed to take the load than risk aggravation of the injury in this game. I think if Carroll does take carries away from Carson, it will be to Prosise in this game, and Penny when fully healed.
Keeps opponents guessing, Carroll is one who isn't exactly transparent even if there is no super-clear reason for subterfuge.
FWIW, my guess is Penny is used sparingly, and the team will give the ball to Carson early as his last chance, and move right away (mostly to Prosise) if he's not producing (or worse, fumbles).
It's also my guess that Carson knows this is his last stand, and runs well with the touches he's given, as if his job depends on it. Because it does.
Just my guesses, we'll see.
Ilov80s
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I like Penny but is there anything he brings to the table that would have a defense guessing?
Soulfly3
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Ilov80s
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Oh come on, I said I like him. I don’t see anything he does that requires a defense to prepare differently for.
Soulfly3
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don’t think he can and he’s not the best pass catching Seattle back as is. I’m pretty sure 99% of what the DC is planning for is for when Wilson isn’t handing the ball off.
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zamboni
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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I think @Soulfly3's comment is salient here. You are righ, @Ilov80s, that Penny's performance in the NFL hasn't shown flashes of elite talent. Carson clearly and unquestionably outplayed him thoroughly last year.
However, he's developing -- he came into camp leaner, looked much more explosive in camp and preseason, and looked solid in spelling Carson before he was injured.
I think it's true that he didn't bring anything to the table that clearly showed he could take the job and run with it.
But that was last year. He looked (to me, anyway) that he progressed YoY.
rockaction
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The Frankman
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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Penny looked ineffective in his runs, getting bottled up early and often.
To be fair, Rams line was playing a stout run D, but where Carson showed power and fell forward for yards even when he was hit at the line, Penny didn’t.
Penny was simply spelling Carson tonight, primarily when Carson was gassed during his 27 carries.
To his credit, Penny did have one nice swing pass and caught a nice ball down the right sideline for a solid gain that set the Seahawks up deep in the Rams’ zone. Maybe it’s too critical of me but it almost seemed like a lazy route. Still got open and made the catch.
Given the Hawks’ success using Carson, not sure why they would change giving the load to Carson. And Penny just didn’t seem to have the same power or effectiveness that Carson brings to the table.
To be fair, Rams line was playing a stout run D, but where Carson showed power and fell forward for yards even when he was hit at the line, Penny didn’t.
Penny was simply spelling Carson tonight, primarily when Carson was gassed during his 27 carries.
To his credit, Penny did have one nice swing pass and caught a nice ball down the right sideline for a solid gain that set the Seahawks up deep in the Rams’ zone. Maybe it’s too critical of me but it almost seemed like a lazy route. Still got open and made the catch.
Given the Hawks’ success using Carson, not sure why they would change giving the load to Carson. And Penny just didn’t seem to have the same power or effectiveness that Carson brings to the table.
