Imagine if you would have drafted his cousin too. You’d have two Chubbs which would form a mega Chubb.
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Admit it - Browns got it 100% right in the draft with Mayfield/Chubb (2 Viewers)
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Mahomes has had the benefit of A) sitting for a year, B) being tutored by a Pro Bowl QB, and C) playing for a franchise with a history of winning.
So, even if you had theoretically placed Mahomes in Cleveland in 2017 and installed Andy Reid as his coach, it's unlikely that he would have turned into the exact same player that his is right now because the Cleveland franchise would have found a way to screw it all up.
edit: and by the same token, Mayfield's development is currently being stunted by the fact that he plays for Cleveland.
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Soulfly3
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Fair point. I didn't realize how drastic the splits have been for Mayfield before/after Jackson/Haley were fired. Kitchens has a really good reputation in the league and apparently is keeping up with that in Cleveland. I can see why Bruce Arians only said he would return to coaching only if it were for the Browns.
https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2018/12/19/18147754/baker-mayfield-freddie-kitchens-cleveland-browns?utm_campaign=theringer&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
MAC_32
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MAC_32
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Pretty much this - we may not be where we are now if last December played out differently, but we always must remember that Sashi died for this. He's the hero we deserved, but not the one we needed then. So we needed to hunt him. Because he could take it...because he's not a hero. He was our silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Dark Knight.
Bracie Smathers
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Sashi was like Civil War general McClellan who assembled and organized the Union troops but Dorsey is like Grant who took them to battle.MAC_32 said:
Time to take another look at Sashi's Wentz haul because the route to Baker leads directly to that deal.
Won't go over every pick but we traded down once again from Philly's #8 pick in the 2016 draft for the 2017 #12th pick of the 1st round that was traded down to #25 for Jabrill Peppers which in turn lead to the #4 pick where we got CB Denzel Ward. Not to mention the 2017 #53 pick in the 2nd round for DeShone Kizer who was traded for FS Damarious Randall.
And if Sashi had selected Wentz we 'most likely' would have won a few more games in 2016 which means we 'most likely' would not have gotten Sahi's best draft pick, DE Myles Garrett with the #1 pick of 2017. And we certainly would not have Baker Mayfield today.
Sashi's Wentz deal has netted 3 young solid starters in the secondary. Denzel is already one of the best at his position. Myles Garrett comes indirectly by not taking Wentz.
The coup de gras is that Sashi bought RB Nick Chubb from Houston for Brock Osweiler's contract, basically $16 million and we still are rock solid with our salary cap once again thanks to Sashi.
The only thing we don't know is what he would have done with the draft picks and salary cap that he assembled but it has turned out OK IMHO.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
as per 3pm:BusterTBronco said:
Mayfield: 19 of 25 / 76.0% / 167yds / 3tds / 133QBR
Darnold: 15 of 20 / 75% / 206yds / 1td / 126QBR
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ANyways, the "hot trash" comment, was in regards to Darnold being a better NFL qb longterm than Mayfield. Not that Darnold is hot trash
I dont buy that for a second, nor did i ever.
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Soulfly3
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that being said, darnold has been much better than I expected he'd be, and will likely be a good NFL qb.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Mayfield such a stud and it was obvious. Not many guys have it, and he does.
It's too bad they hung onto Jackson to start this season. Would have been interesting to see what they could do in the postseason.
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amnesiac
beer is good
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I was pretty skeptical about Mayfield, as his attitude reminded me of Ryan Leaf, but I was wrong; he looks like the real deal.
And Hue Jackson just looks dumber and dumber every week.
And Hue Jackson just looks dumber and dumber every week.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Agreed, but they have the makeup imo to be really good if they can develop their talent.
Yep, same. For much the same reason.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Don’t bother.BusterTBronco said:
Soulfly3
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Staring down a s### coach on a s### team every time he plays him is going to be the highlight of this guy's career unless he wins a ring.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
NFL Team Total Defense Statistics - 2018
- 21 NY Jets
- 29 Cleveland
Over the past six games:
Sam Darnold
- Att - 207
- Comp - 116
- Comp 56%
- Yards - 1,352
- TDs - 8
- INTs - 8
- W/L 1-5
- Att - 179
- Comp - 128
- Comp 71%
- Yards - 1,581
- TDs - 14
- INTs - 4
- W/L 5-1
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Arizona Republic columnist Bob McManaman is "hearing" Mike McCarthy "will be the next head coach of the Browns."
We are skeptical of this report coming from Arizona, but McManaman is hardly an unknown. At the very least, it needs to be passed along. It would have the possibility of being a truly disastrous hire. McCarthy and Baker Mayfield's personalities are as close to exact opposite as possible. We hope for football fans everywhere that the Browns make a more exciting decision.
The homer Dorsey worship has been premature if McCarthy is the answer.
We are skeptical of this report coming from Arizona, but McManaman is hardly an unknown. At the very least, it needs to be passed along. It would have the possibility of being a truly disastrous hire. McCarthy and Baker Mayfield's personalities are as close to exact opposite as possible. We hope for football fans everywhere that the Browns make a more exciting decision.
The homer Dorsey worship has been premature if McCarthy is the answer.
Peak
Footballguy
Dorsey and McCarthy have a relationship, and that can't be denied. I'd be more concerned if Dorsey didn't bring in McCarthy during the interview process. But to name McCarthy the next HC of the Browns is lazy journalism, IMO. This guy has also backtracked his tweet and calling it a rumor instead of fact. The only one who knows the direction of the Browns HC search is Dorsey, and he's not talking to anyone. I'm sure many, many names will be connected to the Browns HC position over the coming weeks. I also trust that Dorsey will hire the right coach for this team after doing his due diligence. The idea of "falling in love" with one coach and doing a knee jerk hire is a thing of the past. Dorsey knows what he's doing, and he's going to make sure it's done right.
You are in fact correct that this was lazy journalism. Dude tweeted later that he was essentially just repeating stuff he heard on twitter. I also apologize for posting it but I pulled it from Rotoworld.
Peak
Footballguy
Yet if the stare down and actions were performed by any other type of offensive or defensive player, it would be justified and accepted. I believe Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss and many others made a reputation of doing just as, if not moreso, "immature" actions. Time to give this take a rest. You don't like it, fine. Baker has an attitude and swagger that's been missing in CLE for decades. You won't find a CLE fan who will not take Baker because he shows a little attitude and competitive spirit on the field.
Peak
Footballguy
No worries. Not so much directing it at you. Just trying to jump in front of the oncoming train that is bound to happen with the coaching search over the next few weeks.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't mind his spirit and competitive nature, actually I love it, but it begs to wonder if something more serious will occur with his immaturity. It may not be a red flag, but it's an orange one IMO.
Yet if the stare down and actions were performed by any other type of offensive or defensive player, it would be justified and accepted. I believe Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss and many others made a reputation of doing just as, if not moreso, "immature" actions. Time to give this take a rest. You don't like it, fine. Baker has an attitude and swagger that's been missing in CLE for decades. You won't find a CLE fan who will not take Baker because he shows a little attitude and competitive spirit on the field.
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Dr. Octopus
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When I figured the Browns were going to take Darnold, Baker’s swagger (and game) were the reason I wanted the Jets to take him. That swagger goes a long way to helping turn around a directionless franchise.
Yet if the stare down and actions were performed by any other type of offensive or defensive player, it would be justified and accepted. I believe Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss and many others made a reputation of doing just as, if not moreso, "immature" actions. Time to give this take a rest. You don't like it, fine. Baker has an attitude and swagger that's been missing in CLE for decades. You won't find a CLE fan who will not take Baker because he shows a little attitude and competitive spirit on the field.
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DocHolliday
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I hope the Browns avoid McCarthy. The young and exciting Browns need a creative coach.
@SouIfly3 Here is my gift to your Chubb is special argument:
https://twitter.com/pff_steve/status/1080501709116506112?s=21
https://twitter.com/pff_steve/status/1080501709116506112?s=21
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