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Welp, its confirmed. Richburg out for the season. Garland has played well when hes played, heres hoping he will continue to.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/131828-49ers-center-weston-richburg-season-patellar-tendon-shanahan/

49ers center Weston Richburg out for the season with torn patellar tendon, says Kyle Shanahan

San Francisco 49ers center Weston Richburg exited Sunday's game against the New Orleans Saints in the third quarter. The team reported that he suffered knee and ankle injuries, and the offensive lineman had to be carted off the field.

"Obviously, he was carted off. And I just saw him on crutches," head coach Kyle Shanahan said after the game. "I don't think it's going to be too good. But we won't know until probably tomorrow."

Monday came and Shanahan informed reporters that Richburg suffered a torn patellar tendon.

The injury occurred after Richburg's leg got tangled up with guard Mike Person during a play. Ben Garland replaced Richburg in the game and will likely continue doing so moving forward.

Richburg is in his sixth NFL season and his second with San Francisco since joining the team on a five-year deal in March of 2018. He started all 13 games for the 49ers this season.

 
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Dee Ford out 3+ weeks with a hamstring.

We need him for the playoffs, Bosa can't do it all himself on the edge. With Ford, our pass rush is elite. Without Ford, it's just solid, and solid might not cut it in January. They might as well just rest him until then, which would be in 4 weeks if we are a Wild Card team, and 5 weeks from now if we get a 1st round bye.

Weeks 1-11 with Ford, the defense averaged 3.9 sacks per game (39 sacks in 10 games)

Weeks 12-14 without Ford, the defense averaged 2 sacks per game (6 sacks in 3 games. 5 of those were against Green Bay, 1 vs BAL, and 0 vs NO)

In the 11 games hes played this season hes only averaging 20 snaps per game (which is about 33% of the total defensive snaps) but his impact is huge, especially on 3rd down.

 
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Ford is made out of glass. We may have discussed this before, but if they need money to re-sign Armstead this offseason, I’d be fine cutting Ford. 
 

heard on the Bill Simmons podcast that the Falcons are +11 next week. Seems too high given how well ATL has been playing and how banged up the Niners are. Hope the Niners don’t overlook this game. 

 
thecatch said:
Ford is made out of glass. We may have discussed this before, but if they need money to re-sign Armstead this offseason, I’d be fine cutting Ford. 
 
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He missed 10 games in 2017 but other than that hes only missed a couple of games over his career.  Before the hamstring a few weeks ago he played in 11 games this season, and has produced. His quad issue was known when we traded for him (he played through it last year and this year), and hes getting surgery on it this offseason so it shouldnt be an issue going forward. The hamstring thing sucks but Id hardly say hes made of glass.

 
Wingnut said:
He missed 10 games in 2017 but other than that hes only missed a couple of games over his career.  Before the hamstring a few weeks ago he played in 11 games this season, and has produced. His quad issue was known when we traded for him (he played through it last year and this year), and hes getting surgery on it this offseason so it shouldnt be an issue going forward. The hamstring thing sucks but Id hardly say hes made of glass.
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Didn't he have a lingering injury from last season through training camp or am i thinking of someone else?

 
Wingnut said:
He missed 10 games in 2017 but other than that hes only missed a couple of games over his career.  Before the hamstring a few weeks ago he played in 11 games this season, and has produced. His quad issue was known when we traded for him (he played through it last year and this year), and hes getting surgery on it this offseason so it shouldnt be an issue going forward. The hamstring thing sucks but Id hardly say hes made of glass.
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I think he’s said he has a chronic knee condition. He has trouble even practicing on artificial turf. Theres no reason to be confident that he’ll be 100% after some offseason surgery.  He’s played in as many games as he has only because they’ve been keeping his snap counts very low.  They should try and keep him, but they should not be sacrificing young talent to do so. 

 
Goodwin went on IR today. With Richburg out for the year, that opens 2 roster spots.

Goodwins scheduled pay next season is about $4.5 million (salary and bonuses), I think we've seen the last of him as a 49er.

 
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I think he’s said he has a chronic knee condition. He has trouble even practicing on artificial turf. Theres no reason to be confident that he’ll be 100% after some offseason surgery.  He’s played in as many games as he has only because they’ve been keeping his snap counts very low.  They should try and keep him, but they should not be sacrificing young talent to do so. 
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Yeah, snap count is somewhere around 20 percent.

I loved the trade when I heard it was the 2020 2nd rounder, but didn't know he was hurt

 
I mean, this is just getting ridiculous.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/131910-49ers-jones-could-have-season-ending-injury-says-shanahan/

49ers’ D.J. Jones may have season-ending injury, Kentavius Street could be activated, says Kyle Shanahan

The San Francisco 49ers defensive line keeps taking hits. The unit might be without defensive lineman D.J. Jones for the remainder of the season. Head coach Kyle Shanahan informed reporters on Wednesday that defensive tackle D.J. Jones will not practice because of an ankle injury, and the setback could be significant enough where the defender might be finished for the year.

Jones' injury took place during Sunday's win over the New Orleans Saints. The team is awaiting the results of further testing.

Shanahan didn't sound too optimistic about Jones' status and said the loss could prompt the 49ers to activate defensive lineman Kentavius Street from injured reserve.

"We've got Sheldon (Day), who can do it," Shanahan added, "we've got Solomon (Thomas), who can do it, all the guys on the inside, who can do it, (Arik) Armstead, [DeForest Buckner]."

The other players who will sit out Wednesday's practice are defensive end Dee Ford (hamstring), safety Jaquiski Tartt (ribs), defensive lineman Jullian Taylor (elbow), and cornerback Richard Sherman (hamstring) and K'Waun Williams (concussion).

This just sucks:

The 49ers have 14 players on injured reserve, and since November, they’ve lost linebacker Kwon Alexander, defensive ends Ronald Blair and Damontre Moore, and, in this week’s IR moves, wide receiver Marquise Goodwin and center Weston Richburg.

 
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/11/49ers-bring-back-jordan-matthews/

49ers bring back Jordan Matthews

After getting cut again by the Eagles, Jordan Matthews has been signed again by the 49ers.

Via Matt Maiocco of NBCSportsBayArea.com, the 49ers added the veteran wide receiver back to the roster among a flurry of moves.

They also announced the addition or cornerback Dontae Johnson, and that center Weston Richburg was placed on injured reserve.

The 49ers also put Marquise Goodwin on IR yesterday, so they needed the help.

Matthews was with the 49ers all offseason, was released in final cuts, but brought back in October for injury cover. He recently spent his third stint with the Eagles, starting one of his two games there.

 
Garrett Celek Goes on IR, TE Daniel Helm or from practice squad.

Interestingly, back in September we waived our 6th round pick this year, TE Kaden Smith...the Giants scooped him up quickly and has been starting for them the past few weeks.

 
Cardinals waived Terrell Suggs...IMO hed be a nice pickup for the playoff run...hes got a ton of playoff experience and still has some gas left. He has 37 tackles, 5.5 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles this season. Unfortunately, we're way too far down the WW list and have about zero chance to land him.

https://sports.yahoo.com/cardinals-release-terrell-suggs-who-had-started-every-game-this-season-200947470.html

According to Kingsbury, the move was a mutual decision between the team and Suggs, who was in his first season in Arizona after 16 years with the Baltimore Ravens, giving the Cardinals the chance to play younger players and providing Suggs the chance to find a new team.

 
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Wingnut said:
Cardinals waived Terrell Suggs...IMO hed be a nice pickup for the playoff run...hes got a ton of playoff experience and still has some gas left. He has 37 tackles, 5.5 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles this season. Unfortunately, we're way too far down the WW list and have about zero chance to land him.

https://sports.yahoo.com/cardinals-release-terrell-suggs-who-had-started-every-game-this-season-200947470.html

According to Kingsbury, the move was a mutual decision between the team and Suggs, who was in his first season in Arizona after 16 years with the Baltimore Ravens, giving the Cardinals the chance to play younger players and providing Suggs the chance to find a new team.
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I would be all for picking him up, but yeah, he won't make it to them.  

 
Oof. That just wasnt good.

Surprisingly, today's game doesn't change anything going forward. We still have to win out to win the division and the #1 seed. 

 
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Wingnut said:
Oof. That just wasnt good.

Surprisingly, today's game doesn't change anything going forward. We still have to win out to win the division and the #1 seed. 
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Yeah, other than Kittle, nothing in the passing game, OL pass blocked like crap, defense played soft that last drive.  Not much good to say about this game other than there were no new injuries.  

But win out and all is good.

 
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I’d be interested in some detailed stats on the Niners pass rush, because they haven’t been scaring anyone the last few weeks. It could be the injuries piling up, worse coverage in the secondary, or maybe they are just playing better teams/lines. But without that front four generating constant pass pressure, this team isn’t anywhere near the juggernaut they looked like a few weeks ago. Fingers crossed that Ford can use this time off to get as close to 100% as possible. 

 
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I’d be interested in some detailed stats on the Niners pass rush, because they haven’t been scaring anyone the last few weeks. It could be the injuries piling up, worse coverage in the secondary, or maybe they are just playing better teams/lines. But without that front four generating constant pass pressure, this team isn’t anywhere near the juggernaut they looked like a few weeks ago. Fingers crossed that Ford can use this time off to get as close to 100% as possible. 
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I think its combination of a few things. Since Blair and Ford got hurt, the numbers have suffered. Blair has been out since week 11, and Ford has been out since week 12 (other than 4 snaps against the Saints). In Fords first game out vs Green Bay, we had 5 sacks. In the 3 games since then, we have just 3 total. Before Ford got hurt, we were averaging 4 sacks PER GAME. Since he got hurt, we are averaging just 2 sacks PER GAME, and if you throw out the Green Bay game, were averaging just 1 sack per game.

Besides the obvious fact that the defense misses those 2 guys, look at the snap count for the D-line since week 10. Everyone has a bigger work load, and I think fatigue may be a factor (even though Buckner says its not, more on that later). Now, the week 10 game against Seattle was 5 quarters long, so the number of total defensive plays was higher than a normal 4 quarter game, but the trend is real. Ford and Blair both averaged 22 snaps/game before they got hurt. Thats 44 snaps a game that had to made up with other personnel. Add DJ Jones' 27 snaps/game before he got hurt last week, and now youve got 71 snaps that have to come from someone besides Blair, Ford, and Jones.

Snap counts (from https://subscribers.footballguys.com/teams/teampage-sfo-6.php)

Buckner
weeks 01-09:  44 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  58 snaps/game

Armstead
weeks 01-09:  40 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  58 snaps/game

Bosa
weeks 01-09:  39 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  59 snaps/game

Thomas
weeks 01-09:  21 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  31 snaps/game

Day
weeks 01-09:  15 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  22 snaps/game

DeForest Buckner says increased snaps hasn’t hindered 49ers defensive line

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/132072-deforest-buckner-increased-snaps-hasnt-hindered-49ers-defensive/

Injury attrition has hurt the San Francisco 49ers in many areas, and one particular position which has drawn some focus is the defensive line.

As a result, the 49ers up-front defenders have seen a notable increase in the number of snaps they've been required to take in a game-to-game basis

One could question whether or not the thinned-out depth is affecting San Francisco. After all, the 49ers managed just two sacks against a mostly immobile Falcons quarterback, Matt Ryan, hitting him just six times in the 29-22 lackluster, uninspiring loss.

When asked if the strains on the depth chart, and subsequent increase in snap counts was affecting the Niners D-line, defensive tackle DeForest Buckner didn't seem to think so.

"Not really," Buckner responded when asked if the high number was having an effect. "I've taken a lot more snap counts before in the previous years, and the coaches look at it closely throughout the game. Sometimes you lose track, who has more snap counts and all that. But if you're not fresh, you've got to sub yourself out."

Buckner's linemate, rookie EDGE Nick Bosa, recently crested the highest number of in-season snaps he ever had in college at Ohio State. And while he was one of the two players to sack Ryan in Week 15, the other being defensive tackle Sheldon Day, Bosa hadn't recorded a sack since Week 12 against the Green Bay Packers. Before that, Bosa hadn't managed a sack since Week 8 against the Carolina Panthers.

IMO, This absolutely has to be affecting their effectiveness. Also, teams are focusing on getting the ball out quicker to avoid the pass rush, and with our secondary banged up, youre seeing more big plays by opponents. Its gonna be interesting to see how they look when Ford gets back, and if they can increase Streets' work load (he played 11 snaps vs Atlanta), maybe that will allow the main guys on the D Line to decrease their work load back down closer to what it was the first half of the season. Getting the secondary healthy for the playoffs is also gonna be huge, as that should help create some coverage sacks, which just inst happening lately.

 
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Wingnut said:
I think its combination of a few things. Since Blair and Ford got hurt, the numbers have suffered. Blair has been out since week 11, and Ford has been out since week 12 (other than 4 snaps against the Saints). In Fords first game out vs Green Bay, we had 5 sacks. In the 3 games since then, we have just 3 total. Before Ford got hurt, we were averaging 4 sacks PER GAME. Since he got hurt, we are averaging just 2 sacks PER GAME, and if you throw out the Green Bay game, were averaging just 1 sack per game.

Besides the obvious fact that the defense misses those 2 guys, look at the snap count for the D-line since week 10. Everyone has a bigger work load, and I think fatigue may be a factor (even though Buckner says its not, more on that later). Now, the week 10 game against Seattle was 5 quarters long, so the number of total defensive plays was higher than a normal 4 quarter game, but the trend is real. Ford and Blair both averaged 22 snaps/game before they got hurt. Thats 44 snaps a game that had to made up with other personnel. Add DJ Jones' 27 snaps/game before he got hurt last week, and now youve got 71 snaps that have to come from someone besides Blair, Ford, and Jones.

Snap counts (from https://subscribers.footballguys.com/teams/teampage-sfo-6.php)

Buckner
weeks 01-09:  44 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  58 snaps/game

Armstead
weeks 01-09:  40 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  58 snaps/game

Bosa
weeks 01-09:  39 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  59 snaps/game

Thomas
weeks 01-09:  21 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  31 snaps/game

Day
weeks 01-09:  15 snaps/game
weeks 10-15:  22 snaps/game

DeForest Buckner says increased snaps hasn’t hindered 49ers defensive line

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/132072-deforest-buckner-increased-snaps-hasnt-hindered-49ers-defensive/

Injury attrition has hurt the San Francisco 49ers in many areas, and one particular position which has drawn some focus is the defensive line.

As a result, the 49ers up-front defenders have seen a notable increase in the number of snaps they've been required to take in a game-to-game basis

One could question whether or not the thinned-out depth is affecting San Francisco. After all, the 49ers managed just two sacks against a mostly immobile Falcons quarterback, Matt Ryan, hitting him just six times in the 29-22 lackluster, uninspiring loss.

When asked if the strains on the depth chart, and subsequent increase in snap counts was affecting the Niners D-line, defensive tackle DeForest Buckner didn't seem to think so.

"Not really," Buckner responded when asked if the high number was having an effect. "I've taken a lot more snap counts before in the previous years, and the coaches look at it closely throughout the game. Sometimes you lose track, who has more snap counts and all that. But if you're not fresh, you've got to sub yourself out."

Buckner's linemate, rookie EDGE Nick Bosa, recently crested the highest number of in-season snaps he ever had in college at Ohio State. And while he was one of the two players to sack Ryan in Week 15, the other being defensive tackle Sheldon Day, Bosa hadn't recorded a sack since Week 12 against the Green Bay Packers. Before that, Bosa hadn't managed a sack since Week 8 against the Carolina Panthers.

IMO, This absolutely has to be affecting their effectiveness. Also, teams are focusing on getting the ball out quicker to avoid the pass rush, and with our secondary banged up, youre seeing more big plays by opponents. Its gonna be interesting to see how they look when Ford gets back, and if they can increase Streets' work load (he played 11 snaps vs Atlanta), maybe that will allow the main guys on the D Line to decrease their work load back down closer to what it was the first half of the season. Getting the secondary healthy for the playoffs is also gonna be huge, as that should help create some coverage sacks, which just inst happening lately.
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Hey Wingnut.  Just wanted to say thanks for all the stats you post.  Interesting breakdowns on some of them.  

 
efactor said:
Hey Wingnut.  Just wanted to say thanks for all the stats you post.  Interesting breakdowns on some of them.  
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Ha, no prob. Im a bit of a stat rat, I love diving into the numbers and looking for trends, anomalies, etc. 

 
Hahahaha!! This is fantastic! Big dummy! Seattle will be down one WR going forward, gotta love it!!!!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-gordon-reportedly-suspended-indefinitely-for-violating-policy-against-performance-enhancing-drugs/

The NFL is suspending Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Josh Gordon without pay indefinitely for violating the league's policy against performance-enhancing drugs. It is unclear when or if Gordon will return to the NFL. As a repeat offender, he faces a stricter penalty from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. 

 
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Snap counts vs Atlanta:

Offense

Total offensive snaps: 64
Quarterback – Jimmy Garoppolo 64
Running back – Raheem Mostert 34, Kyle Juszczyk 25, Tevin Coleman 19, Matt Breida 12
Wide receiver – Emmanuel Sanders 61, Deebo Samuel 57, Kendrick Bourne 34, Richie James 3
Tight end – George Kittle 61, Levine Toilolo 11, Ross Dwelley 9
Offensive line – Laken Tomlinson 64, Mike Person 64, Mike McGlinchey 64, Joe Staley 64, Ben Garland 64
Did not play – QB Nick Mullens, WR Dante Pettis, TE Daniel Helm

Defense

Total defensive snaps: 67
Defensive line – Nick Bosa 63, Arik Armstead 60, DeForest Buckner 60, Solomon Thomas 40, Sheldon Day 24, Jeremiah Valoaga 12, Kentavius Street 11
Linebacker – Fred Warner 67, Dre Greenlaw 65, Azeez Al-Shaair 18, Mark Nzeocha 1
Defensive back – Jimmie Ward 67, Marcell Harris 67, Emmanuel Moseley 66, Ahkello Witherspoon 66, D.J. Reed 49, Tarvarius Moore 1

Special teams

Total special teams plays: 30
Moore 25, Elijah Lee 24, Nzeocha 24, Dontae Johnson 22, James 20, Antone Exum 17, Mitch Wishnowsky 15, A-Shaair 15, Dwelley 13, Mostert 12, Bourne 11, Ward 11, Breida 10, Toilolo 10, Kyle Nelson 9, Armstead 9, Buckner 9, Day 8, Harris 7, Reed 6, Justin Skule 5, Robbie Gould 5, Daniel Brunskill 5, Jeff Wilson 5, McGlinchey 5, Garland 5, Tomlinson 5, Juszczyk 4, Thomas 4, Coleman 3, Moseley 3, Bosa 1, Greenlaw 1, Samuel 1, Warner 1

Not active

QB C.J. Beathard
WR Jordan Matthews
CB K’Waun Williams (concussion)
CB Richard Sherman (hamstring)
S Jaquiski Tartt (ribs)
DE Dee Ford (hamstring)
DT Jullian Taylor (elbow)

 
Wingnut said:
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IMO, This absolutely has to be affecting their effectiveness. Also, teams are focusing on getting the ball out quicker to avoid the pass rush, and with our secondary banged up, youre seeing more big plays by opponents. Its gonna be interesting to see how they look when Ford gets back, and if they can increase Streets' work load (he played 11 snaps vs Atlanta), maybe that will allow the main guys on the D Line to decrease their work load back down closer to what it was the first half of the season. Getting the secondary healthy for the playoffs is also gonna be huge, as that should help create some coverage sacks, which just inst happening lately.
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I forget who I saw first make this comparison, but it does feel a little bit like the 12-13 Niners, who couldn’t get anything from their formerly dominant front base pass rush after Justin Smith got hurt in that Patriots game. That team was much better against the run and had a really dynamic playmaker in Kaepernick, but Shanahan is a much better coach than Roman. Maybe they can do enough offensively to overcome those injuries. 

 
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I’d be interested in some detailed stats on the Niners pass rush, because they haven’t been scaring anyone the last few weeks. It could be the injuries piling up, worse coverage in the secondary, or maybe they are just playing better teams/lines. But without that front four generating constant pass pressure, this team isn’t anywhere near the juggernaut they looked like a few weeks ago. Fingers crossed that Ford can use this time off to get as close to 100% as possible. 
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With Sherman, Tartt, and Williams out that's like basically 3 starting DBs not playing. Tartt has much more range than Harris, his play has been very underrated this season. Niners could really use that bye week given how early their bye was.

 
Shanahan wants to reduce the workload of Bosa and the D-Line. I wonder if we see more Valoaga and Streets today. They played 12 and 11 snaps last week. Them and Day (24 snaps) played the fewest snaps of the d-lineman. Giving them all an increase in snaps would help keep Bosa, Buck, and Armstead a bit more fresh.

 
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Well it wasnt dominant but we just ended the Rams season.

I'm still not confident we will be ready come playoff time, our D Line is so overworked with no relief in sight other than Ford. And the O-line is average at best right now. No bueno.

 
Judge Smails said:
Nice win. Not a SuperBowl team unless health allows them to get physical again. It’s like the team’s switched jerseys 
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Dumb comment. Haven’t been healthy all year yet have beaten/been in every game against the best teams in the league. Of course they are a SB team. Must be either a bad troll job are just totally football ignorant. Either way, save the stupid for another thread. 

 
SF409ers said:
Dumb comment. Haven’t been healthy all year yet have beaten/been in every game against the best teams in the league. Of course they are a SB team. Must be either a bad troll job are just totally football ignorant. Either way, save the stupid for another thread. 
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Talk about a stupid comment. Troll? F off. They were dominant when healthy. They are not healthy now. I mentioned that. Also put in the word unless.  If they get zero pressure/sacks like tonight with Ford etc out they will not win it all. Oh, and I could get open against Witherspoon.  They are getting torched. Rams dominated line of scrimmage. But look through your rose colored glasses 
 

 
SF409ers said:
Dumb comment. Haven’t been healthy all year yet have beaten/been in every game against the best teams in the league. Of course they are a SB team. Must be either a bad troll job are just totally football ignorant. Either way, save the stupid for another thread. 
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OOOf

 
Judge Smails said:
Talk about a stupid comment. Troll? F off. They were dominant when healthy. They are not healthy now. I mentioned that. Also put in the word unless.  If they get zero pressure/sacks like tonight with Ford etc out they will not win it all. Oh, and I could get open against Witherspoon.  They are getting torched. Rams dominated line of scrimmage. But look through your rose colored glasses 
 
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Doubling down on dumb. They haven’t been healthy all year. Try and keep up. Team could win the SB as much any of the top teams could. Ford hasn’t been around for weeks yet they took the Ravens to the wire on the road and beat GB and the Saints.  Like I said, take the stupid somewhere else.

 
Judge Smails said:
Nice win. Not a SuperBowl team unless health allows them to get physical again. It’s like the team’s switched jerseys 
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Totally agree. Of course I'm happy with this season but if they get bounced in the playoffs I won't be surprised. If Ford can stay healthy for the run they should get better pressure (yes, he's that big of a difference maker opposite Bosa on the edge), which will help the secondary like it did the first half of the season. Witherspoon was playing lights out before the D-Line lost Blair, Jones, and Ford. Tartt also helps the back end, he's been out since the Baltimore game.

I'm more concerned about the O-line right now, if they can't protect Jimmy it's gonna be tough sledding in the playoffs...I'm also wondering why Breida didn't get a single carry, will be interesting to see what Kyle says.

 
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Not surprised a Saints fan doesn’t get it. Still bitter I guess for getting punched in mouth at home. Stumble back to your swap trash thread and whine about how you got robbed again. 
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If you have evidence of that, I'd love to see it.  I was just pointing out how much of a turd you are.

 
Wingnut said:
Totally agree. Of course I'm happy with this season but if they get bounced in the playoffs I won't be surprised. If Ford can stay healthy for the run they should get better pressure (yes, he's that big of a difference maker opposite Bosa on the edge), which will help the secondary like it did the first half of the season. Witherspoon was playing lights out before the D-Line lost Blair, Jones, and Ford. Tartt also helps the back end, he's been out since the Baltimore game.

I'm more concerned about the O-line right now, if they can't protect Jimmy it's gonna be tough sledding in the playoffs...I'm also wondering why Breida didn't get a single carry, will be interesting to see what Kyle says.
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I think I’m equally concerned about both lines. They’re both real bad right now. I guess Ford could come in and turn things around but that’s expecting a lot of him given his injury situation. I am not terribly optimistic that they’ll keep it close next week.
 

Caveat: the Rams and Falcons have both been playing good ball lately, so I’m not really surprised at all that these games haven’t been layups like many seemed to expect. Also think they can go on the road and beat the NFC East winner, at least unless they suffer some more injuries next week. 

 
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SF409ers said:
Doubling down on dumb. They haven’t been healthy all year. Try and keep up. Team could win the SB as much any of the top teams could. Ford hasn’t been around for weeks yet they took the Ravens to the wire on the road and beat GB and the Saints.  Like I said, take the stupid somewhere else.
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Idiot. They haven’t been the same since the Raven game, which they played great yet 1/2 the defense got banged up  I’m not  dissing the team  I’m saying their defense is a shell of the way it was and they will need to get healthy and be physical with a pass rush to be a SuperBowl team.  Tripling down on idiot  

 
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Wingnut said:
Totally agree. Of course I'm happy with this season but if they get bounced in the playoffs I won't be surprised. If Ford can stay healthy for the run they should get better pressure (yes, he's that big of a difference maker opposite Bosa on the edge), which will help the secondary like it did the first half of the season. Witherspoon was playing lights out before the D-Line lost Blair, Jones, and Ford. Tartt also helps the back end, he's been out since the Baltimore game.

I'm more concerned about the O-line right now, if they can't protect Jimmy it's gonna be tough sledding in the playoffs...I'm also wondering why Breida didn't get a single carry, will be interesting to see what Kyle says.
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Tell that to the idiot, please 

 
https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/49-ers-clutch-win-over-rams-sets-up-huge-week-17-game-at-seattle-and-an-unusual-playoff-scenario-042339276.html

Kinda crazy to think they could either get the 1, a bye, home field, and play either the 2nd weakest division champ (not quite as bad as the Texans look) or the Vikings at home, or could have a road game against the Saints to open the playoffs. 

It's not a stretch to say in scenario one there's a decent chance of a super bowl, in the other a really good chance of losing in round 1. 

 
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Or, you could just not engage him and move on. 
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Good point, but trolls don’t use common sense, which is why they are trolls. 
 

Niners are 12-3 with literally last play of the game losses to the 12-2 Ravens and the 11-3 Seahawks. To say they are not a super bowl team is foolish and just trolling, even when you try to cover yourself with “unless health allows them to get physical again”.   They are obviously capable of beating anyone as shown by winning against the Saints on the road two weeks ago   The road to the Super Bowl will be a tough one but they are certainly capable.  
 

OL is my biggest concern.  Fans ragged on Richburg a lot but guy was playing at a high level and the OL play since he got hurt has been pretty bad.  Garland is slow with the snaps, which is something I don’t think I have ever noticed before but you can see how the timing of plays is off since he took over.  Plus, seems 2-3 bad snaps a game out of the shotgun too.  Gotta fix that fast.  Person has played some center so wonder if starting Brunkill this week over Person is the first move toward making that change?

 
For some reason I'm not that worried about the seahawks game... this year's niners team seems to thrive on hostile road environments and conversely, seems to come out flat a lot when playing at home.

 
chinawildman said:
For some reason I'm not that worried about the seahawks game... this year's niners team seems to thrive on hostile road environments and conversely, seems to come out flat a lot when playing at home.
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Feel the same way which is strange considering that Seattle usually finds a way to win against them. We shall see but definitely don’t think being on the road for this game matters much. 

 
efactor said:
Good point, but trolls don’t use common sense, which is why they are trolls. 
 
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If you ignore the trolls it doesn’t matter whether they are using common sense. And there is certainly nothing wrong with saying they haven’t played like a super bowl team the last couple weeks. 

chinawildman said:
For some reason I'm not that worried about the seahawks game... this year's niners team seems to thrive on hostile road environments and conversely, seems to come out flat a lot when playing at home.
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Seattle doesn’t have the crazy home field advantage they used to, but they just have SF’s number regardless of where they are playing. I think the Niners will need to rediscover their offensive form from the NO game to have a shot. 

 
The Seattle game has been flexed to Sunday Night.

That makes 5 prime time games for SF this year, which I believe is the max allowed.

 
thecatch said:
And there is certainly nothing wrong with saying they haven’t played like a super bowl team the last couple weeks. 
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Except that not what he said.  He said they weren’t a super bowl team unless they get healthy, which isn’t the case.  Certainly being healthy would help, but they can beat any NFC team as is right now. 
 

 
efactor said:
Except that not what he said.  He said they weren’t a super bowl team unless they get healthy, which isn’t the case.  Certainly being healthy would help, but they can beat any NFC team as is right now. 
 
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Are they improving on defense without getting healthier at this point in the season?  I don’t think so. And if they aren’t better on defense they aren’t making serious noise in the playoffs. 

 
Wingnut said:
Shanahan wants to reduce the workload of Bosa and the D-Line. I wonder if we see more Valoaga and Streets today. They played 12 and 11 snaps last week. Them and Day (24 snaps) played the fewest snaps of the d-lineman. Giving them all an increase in snaps would help keep Bosa, Buck, and Armstead a bit more fresh.
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In the 49ers’ loss to the Falcons, Armstead, Buckner and Bosa each played 90 percent or more of the team’s defensive snaps. On Saturday, those three each played 51 of the team’s 70 snaps (73 percent).

Sheldon Day (45), Solomon Thomas (44), Jeremiah Valoaga (19) and Kentavius Street (19) also saw significant playing time.

And there ya go. Julian Taylor might also be back this week which would help

 
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