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TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (15 Viewers)
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Widbil83
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Mile High
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Donald Trump’s presidential golf costs have topped $110 million in his 2 1/2 years in office – more than $4 million more than a conservative group’s estimate for predecessor Barack Obama’s total travel costs over two full terms.
Judicial Watch, a tax-exempt conservative group, in 2017 said that its tally of Obama’s travel costs based on documents obtained through Freedom of Information Act lawsuits had hit $105.7 million. That total, though, appears to include official trips of Obama and former first lady Michelle Obama, as well as some campaign-related travel that was partially reimbursed by the Democratic Party.
Trump’s $110.3 million total in HuffPost’s analysis is for travel to and from golf vacations, and does not include official or campaign travel. It is based on cost elements derived from a Government Accountability Office report released in January that detailed four Mar-a-Lago trips Trump took just weeks after entering office.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d45c72de4b0acb57fcd4eb8/amp
zoonation
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It’s less than half. Trump golfs every four days. Must be nice.
I bet he gives the government a break on rates and stuff at his properties. No way he would gauge or anything.
SaintsInDome2006
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Wid, do you really not understand that Obama didn’t own any of the properties he visited?
Encumbrance
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Mile High
Footballguy
Not taking a salary is the least he could be for us after making 10s of millions off of us.
Widbil83
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Trump having his own properties to hang out at on vacation is just a bonus on top of generously donating his salary to Health and Human Services. It makes Obama look like the free loading grifter he was.
sho nuff
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Obama played golf on military bases so that the taxpayers wouldn't get charged.
Trump plays golf on his own properties so that he can send a bill to the government to get reimbursed.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Except Trump charges the government...and makes money off of his trips. Obama typically golfed on government owned property (like at Andrews).
To claim any of that makes Obama look like a free loader is laughable and illogical based on the facts.
Widbil83
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It absolutely means they are wrong. There isn’t one poster besides you on this forum taking this position There was no racism, there was no “hands up don’t shoot” with Mike Brown getting shot in the back. The whole investigation disproves your entire post.
SaintsInDome2006
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Obama taking vacations per the norm on the public dime is freeloader grifting.
Trump spending a quarter to a fifth of his presidency on vacation at his own properties and profiting tens to hundreds of millions in public money into his pocket is a "bonus."
Got it.
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Apple Jack
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Mister CIA
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This ^^^^ is why it's not worth discussing anything with Trump supporters.
Juxtatarot
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I am interested in the bolded. I did some searches and read a few articles but I couldn’t find this estimate. I know you’re pretty good about using stats. Where does this one come from?
SaintsInDome2006
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I’ll follow up if you like but MileHigh has this number - 110 mill - just above. Actually the stat I was focused on is the 1/4-1/5th. I think one number (1/5) includes days or weekends golfing, the other (1/4) is time spent on his own properties.
Mile High
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SaintsInDome2006
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Eh I know people like to say cruelty is the point, but I’ll take an affirmative statement like the above from an actual Trump supporter that ‘corruption is the point’ as well.
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Juxtatarot
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OK, but that looks like total costs. I was looking for revenue paid directly to his resorts.
yak651
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Come on guys, Trump said he wouldn't have time to golf, so this has to be all fake news. Plus Hanity said Obama spent too much time in Hawaii, this HAD to cost way more than anything Trump has done (wasted). And he's donating his salary, nothing to see here!
timschochet
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It doesn’t mean they are wrong. I really could care less if nobody agrees with me. It’s happened before and will again (damn I sound like a cylon!)
Of course there was racism involved. Maybe in the shooting, maybe not, don’t know. Certainly in the reaction to it by a lot of white people. Certainly in the way that particular police force (and so many others) treat young black men.
sho nuff
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Im not against it either. Im against any president profiting from golf or vacation. And think its also fair to call out his hypocrisy given his statements about the previous President
GoBirds
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Pretending like his presidency is benefiting his brand is pretty funny......the amount of liberals that now boycott his brand has to be staggering.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Offset by what he charges the taxpayers for golf, and events at his properties. And the increase in fees at his properties now that he is President.
Trademarks and contracts for Ivanka from China...?
timschochet
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He’s arguing your point, which is what we’re supposed to be doing here.I can't see Sho posts anymore....does he still follow me around?
I think the whole discussion is pretty silly myself. Trump can play as much golf as he wants, I don’t care. He can profit from being the President as much as he is wants as well; so long as he doesn’t break any laws and there’s no quid pro quo I don’t care about that either. And if you and other fans of his want to tell yourselves and others that his Presidency has been a tremendous act of self-sacrifice because he cares so much about this country, have at it.
None of this has anything to do with whether or not Donald Trump is an effective and good President.
Widbil83
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Breaking news from the senior New York Times White House correspondent:
https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1163212440059961344?s=21
HellToupee
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
“We have a lot of great people over at state run media...
https://twitter.com/anacabrera/status/1163234028478238722?s=21
https://twitter.com/anacabrera/status/1163234028478238722?s=21
Juxtatarot
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I’ve been amazed how comments that I would have assumed a few years ago would be universally condemned are now ignored (or agreed with) by half the population.
GoBirds
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I’m flattered by his commitment.
Regarding Trump, you can’t truly feel the financial benefit from this presidency is a net positive overall?
SaintsInDome2006
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whoknew
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I don't care what anyone feels - have you seen any studies on this? I'd be interested.
For example, I would never stay at a Trump hotel. And I'm sure there are other people out there like that too.
But the flip side are all those days spent at his resort, the increased membership fees at his clubs, the merchandise he sells, and all increased traffic/favors foreign governments to to create favor with Trump.
I'd be curious how those are balanced.
sho nuff
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I don't care whether he loses overall business because of his attitudes and words and politics.
I find it laughable to want to praise him for taking no salary with what his trips appear to have cost beyond what Obama (and other Presidents) spent over entire terms...and again especially because of his own words about Obamas vacations and golf.
A President’s salary is pennies to what they make after being in office. Even someone as poor of an actual speaker as Trump will command high dollar if he wants after he leaves office.
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ren hoek
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Though there is a troubling revolving door between Fox News and the white house, I think he meant it in a collective 'Republican/rightwing' sense, not that Trump handpicks the on-air talent at Fox.
But really, this is pretty trivial nonsense. CNN/MSNBC will snap right into state run media the second Trump decides he wants to do a war, just like they did with Iraq. They are all Trump networks now- one's the antiTrump network, one's the partially antiTrump network, and the other is the proTrump network. But they're not real news organizations.
timschochet
Footballguy
No. It’s been a positive short term result. In terms of long term, increasing the debt in order to gain short term prosperity can’t be a good thing IMO. And we’ll see how long it lasts, it might be ending already.
But even if it lasts a long time, it’s still not a net positive for me. The other stuff he does bothers me way too much. Not worth the price, Uncle Faust.
knowledge dropper
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Many thanks to the posters that have migrated from the “Everyday Trump does something more awful than yesterday Thread.” Our new Trump supporters have pushed us well over 150 pages
MAGA to all
MAGA to all
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
You're right, I was misreading USG costs as revenues to Trump.
He made $1.6 million off the US government from his trips alone through the first half of 2017.
- The government hasn't provided information past that. (most of the records available about government spending date to the first half of 2017 — covering just the first few months of Trump’s presidency so far).
- He has had 126 trips to his own properties. Considering the 1.6 mill was for the first few months and the trips have continued apace I don't think it's unreasonable to say the total number must be in the $10 million + range by now. I don't know if that includes associated spending like this either. the Huffpo stiory says that the GAO reported that 4 visits at Maralago resulted in $60,000 for Secret Service related charges alone.
- A third of his fundraisers have been at his properties.
This obviously is just his trips alone, that doesn't include fundraisers, state events, GOP party and GOP linked events, US government spending, or foreign government spending at his properties. - eta - Or other official events like this one this weekend with Apple.
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SaintsInDome2006
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I'm not claiming anything about harassment, that's just him taking time out to cater to a Maga themed wedding at one of his own properties. - I'll add that apparently that was the night after the El Paso shooting. Trump did not emerge to make a personal statement until arriving in DC on Monday morning.
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John Blutarsky
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GoBirds
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knowledge dropper
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sho nuff
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They don't want to be part of the losing again so they hang out here with us winners hoping some winning might rub off on them. It' won't.
knowledge dropper
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Looks like proper usage to me
refute
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refuted; refuting
Definition of refute
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knowledge dropper
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They stick around until next November, they’ll come around. They have to. Imagine voting for Warren.
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