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TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (17 Viewers)
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John Blutarsky
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Does Rude Thugs post anything or just use emojis? Asking for a friend 
HellToupee
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JAA
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Mile High
Footballguy
What?
Where the heck do you live?
Where I live, the only suggestion is to aim center mass.
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The General
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Dickies
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bigbottom
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She makes several good points. First, too much Trump coverage. I agree 100%. There are other important things to cover. It doesn’t have to be wall to wall Trump bashing. You are doing precisely what he wants you to do.
Second, fostering division and amplifying fringe voices for the sake of ratings. Agree here as well. The fringe on both sides of the political spectrum get a disproportional level of coverage. No wonder we think the “other side” is so crazy. All we hear about are the crazies on the other side. They don’t represent the vast majority of Americans that lean left or lean right. But the fringe is good for ratings, as is division and conflict.
The General
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The Big Donkey
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Thunderlips
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Who do our allies want to win?kodycutter said:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/316133/leadership-remains-unpopular-worldwide.aspx
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Well, you answered a question with a question, but I didn't throw a ? in my post. who do you think it is? Are you more concerned with what allies think? which is reasonable.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
As far as our opponents go...I think we've had a decent "frenemy" relationship with China in the recent past and can still work with them.......but in the long game; we should more wary of them than Russia. I think Russia under Putin is currently more problematic...but who knows what will happen in that country when he's gone.
I'm more concerned with what our allies think; as I think their opinions on the matter of who they felt was better for their relations with the U.S. would be more honest and with less subterfuge. To me, the best way to ice both Russia and China a bit is to have strong relationships with strategic partners in their "spheres"; Japan, Australia, South Korea, India...... Great Britain, Germany, Poland and France.....cliquing with these countries is very important going forward.
As far as Iran goes......if I were Iran; I wouldn't trust us..... but up until recently; they might have been a decent option to try and court a real relationship in the ME outside of Israel.
ETA: But if you really want to tilt the ME on its butt....get off of the oil standard.
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BladeRunner
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interesting. Maybe we should let our allies pick who should be our next president If it's that important to you.
Thunderlips
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
So if I'm following this correctly, Trump is promising to do something that Obama already signed into existence in 2010 as part of a law a bill Trump tried to repeal unsuccessfully for three years?
We've gone from shoveling the stinky brown stuff to using a backhoe.
We've gone from shoveling the stinky brown stuff to using a backhoe.
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The Gator
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yak651
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Encyclopedia Brown
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Trump is copying verbatim President Obama's law about pre-existing conditions, and not only is he not acknowledging that fact but claiming "this has never been done before."
It wasn't perfect, but the ACA was a good first step, as Trump has realized 3 and a half years into his term. He also had both houses of Congress for 2 years, but nothing to show for it except tax cuts that will never pay for themselves.
TripItUp
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they would have in spades. Any President would be roasted for the Pandemic's impact on the economy. Trump's administration has actually handled that better than any of his liberal counterparts would have.
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Aside from a couple of economists in the Trump administration, no one really believes the Trump tax cuts would've ever paid for themselves. Trump's economists were expecting continued growth of 3 to 4%, without any down turns. Both expectations were unrealistic.
There's no recent evidence that Democrats are bad for the economy, see what Clinton and Obama did during their 16 years of growth.
Even without the pandemic, the Trump tax cuts were a dud. The results of the Trump tax cuts, per Wikipedia:
>> Analysis of first-year results released by the Congressional Research Service in May 2019 found:
"a relatively small (if any) first-year effect on the economy"
"a feedback effect of 0.3% of GDP or less," such that the tax cut did not pay for itself
"pretax profits and economic depreciation (the price of capital) grew faster than wages," meaning shareholders benefited more than workers
inflation-adjusted wage growth "is smaller than overall growth in labor compensation and indicates that ordinary workers had very little growth in wage rates"
"the evidence does not suggest a surge in investment from abroad in 2018"
"While evidence does indicate significant repurchases of shares, either from tax cuts or repatriated revenues, relatively little was directed to paying worker bonuses"
The tax cut was enacted three months into the 2018 fiscal year. Corporate tax receipts for the full fiscal year ended September 2018 were down 31% from the prior fiscal year, the largest decline since records began in 1934, except for during the Great Recession when corporate profits, and hence corporate tax receipts, plummeted. Analysts attributed the fiscal 2018 decline to the tax cut.
The Council of Economic Advisers had estimated in October 2017 that the corporate tax cut of the TCJA would increase real median household income by $3000 to $7000 annually, but during the first year following enactment of the tax cut the figure increased by $553, which the Census Bureau characterized as statistically insignificant. <<
The General
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How do you know this? They were blowing up the deficits. Trump’s economy was beginning to sputter before COVID and was well below the projections needed for these tax cuts to “pay for themselves”.
TripItUp
Footballguy
The General
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TripItUp
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The General
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Trump never achieved the 3% over the year benchmark I always read in here that was important. It was going down pre-Covid. How do the tax cuts pay for themselves? What is this based on?
TripItUp
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The basic idea is that the capital that is saved from taxes is reinvested into other businesses that create wealth and jobs.
As opposed to inhibiting job creators with taxation and depressing job growth and wealth creation. There is a reason Tesla and Apple are American companies and not Chinese or European companies.
The General
Footballguy
But that's not what was happening at least in terms of the impact on our deficit. Isn't that what we are talking about?
TripItUp
Footballguy
You are only talking about the deficit. "Taxes that pay for themselves" was the original topic I was speaking to.
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Juxtatarot
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We all know the idea. It just hasn’t shown to work that way. (Enough to pay for themselves, anyway.) Too much of it is not invested.
The General
Footballguy
Fair enough. Deficit growing, economy not growing are not good indicators that economic and tax policy are working.
TripItUp
Footballguy
There are bright people on both sides of this debate.
To be clear, I'm not talking about Reagan trickle down policy...the flaw in that policy was that it lacked incentives for reinvestment and job creation.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
The Regan tax cuts occurred when the highest rate was 70%, while the Bush tax cuts helped a little bit because of the 2001 recession. The timing and size of the Trump tax cuts was completely wrong. Plus, we're getting older by the day as a country and have health and retirement issues to deal with, and the Trump tax cuts made it even more challenging.
TripItUp
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- Cash reimbursements for training employees
- Financing through low-interest loan programs
- Grants
- Loan guarantee programs
- Tax abatements
- Tax credits (such as the federal work opportunity credit incentivizing you to hire from targeted groups of people and the research credit incentivizing R&D
- Tax deductions (such as the federal write off for making architectural changes to remove barriers for the elderly and disabled)
- Utility rate discounts
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
OK, thanks. How do you reach the conclusion that these were successful in paying for themselves? I’m highly skeptical.
John Blutarsky
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Brunell4MVP
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Hillary was projected to get 72% of the vote on Nov 8, 2016. We know what happened. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
There is a silent support structure for Trump. They don't tell their neighbors. The pollsters don't care about them. They hide their support because it's publicly unpopular. But they are there and they vote.
It's the same thing all over again. Do people in key states really want Biden and more importantly his VP, that will be nowhere near as moderate as him, in charge of the country? They do not. As embarrassing as Trump can be, an enormous amount of Americans are better financially than they were 4 years ago even with COVID.
I think this election is like the last one. Michigan . Florida. Ohio. Wisconsin. All will take the safe route of Trump when the time comes. Those voters do not want their police defunded. The don't want liberal policies. They don't want Nancy Pelosi.
I think this will be Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Same as last time.
There is a silent support structure for Trump. They don't tell their neighbors. The pollsters don't care about them. They hide their support because it's publicly unpopular. But they are there and they vote.
It's the same thing all over again. Do people in key states really want Biden and more importantly his VP, that will be nowhere near as moderate as him, in charge of the country? They do not. As embarrassing as Trump can be, an enormous amount of Americans are better financially than they were 4 years ago even with COVID.
I think this election is like the last one. Michigan . Florida. Ohio. Wisconsin. All will take the safe route of Trump when the time comes. Those voters do not want their police defunded. The don't want liberal policies. They don't want Nancy Pelosi.
I think this will be Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Same as last time.
whoknew
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Your first sentence is incorrect.
And there is no evidence of your second paragraph being correct.
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