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1 minute ago, tonydead said:

Open Schools isnt going to play well for the Dems. Thats a good thing for Trump to get behind. 75% of people want the schools to open. 

Where are you seeing this 75% number or is it just your assumption? Not asking for a link or playing the link games, I’m honestly asking. As my daughter gets close to starting kindergarten this year the circle of parents we interact with around here that percentage does not add up.   I’d say it’s 50-50 at best and maybe 70/30 in favor of not school.  
 

*As a sidenote not that it should matter because this shouldn’t be a political based opinion but a majority of that group are Trump supporters 

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16 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

Where are you seeing this 75% number or is it just your assumption? Not asking for a link or playing the link games, I’m honestly asking. As my daughter gets close to starting kindergarten this year the circle of parents we interact with around here that percentage does not add up.   I’d say it’s 50-50 at best and maybe 70/30 in favor of not school.  
 

*As a sidenote not that it should matter because this shouldn’t be a political based opinion but a majority of that group are Trump supporters 

Lester Holt told me. I think that poll was in New York specifically, but yeah, I'm extrapolating that out to be in general.  

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11 hours ago, Opie said:

Look at this article....and any other article about this (just Google his name), and please show me where anyone discloses that this "politician" is affiliated with the Democrat Party!

I cannot find a single one...but I found this.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess we won't have a Modelo Especial commercial with him in it.   :banned:

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14 hours ago, Widbil83 said:

You know what goes over really well will suburban woman? Defunding the police.

And the president has very little control over that. Aren't we talking about suburban women? Most suburbs have there own police force so if a city defunds their police force it doesn't effect them.

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11 hours ago, tonydead said:

Open Schools isnt going to play well for the Dems. Thats a good thing for Trump to get behind. 75% of people want the schools to open. 

As far as I know most school district have plans to reopen in the fall. This is as usual, the conman is creating a problem that he can claim later he solved without really even doing to solving it.

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40 minutes ago, Mile High said:

As far as I know most school district have plans to reopen in the fall. This is as usual, the conman is creating a problem that he can claim later he solved without really even doing to solving it.

Maybe in your neck of the woods.  Not in Ohio.  Many schools are planning virtual or 50/50.  

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1 hour ago, Mile High said:

And the president has very little control over that. Aren't we talking about suburban women? Most suburbs have there own police force so if a city defunds their police force it doesn't effect them.

You don’t think the lawlessness and anarchy won’t spill into the suburbs?   You don’t think their property taxes will go up because they need to upgrade suburban law enforcement?  Not to mention the costs of home security systems, guns and ammo?

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1 minute ago, knowledge dropper said:

Maybe in your neck of the woods.  Not in Ohio.  Many schools are planning virtual or 50/50.  

Not in Ohio - but our district and surrounding districts have not announced fall plans yet.

Three options on table:

1.  All students attend school Monday - Thursday, remote on Friday for school cleaning 

2.  Half students attend Monday and Wednesday, the other half Tuesday and Thursday, everyone remote on Friday

3.  Half students attend Monday - Thursday week 1, remote week 2, the other half remote week 1, in school week 2 - all students remote on Friday.

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4 minutes ago, The Gator said:

Not in Ohio - but our district and surrounding districts have not announced fall plans yet.

Three options on table:

1.  All students attend school Monday - Thursday, remote on Friday for school cleaning 

2.  Half students attend Monday and Wednesday, the other half Tuesday and Thursday, everyone remote on Friday

3.  Half students attend Monday - Thursday week 1, remote week 2, the other half remote week 1, in school week 2 - all students remote on Friday.

In my area, some of the districts that have already announced are making plans similar to #2.  

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11 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Maybe in your neck of the woods.  Not in Ohio.  Many schools are planning virtual or 50/50.  

Isn't Ohio a red state? So it isn't only the blue states.

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Our school district plan is kindergarten thur 6th grade plus 9th and 12 grades to attend school 5 days a week. 7th,8th,10th and 11th grades students will go to school 5 days out of 10 and online 5 the other 5 days. One week some students will go 2 days the next week they will go 3 days. 

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27 minutes ago, The Gator said:

Not in Ohio - but our district and surrounding districts have not announced fall plans yet.

Three options on table:

1.  All students attend school Monday - Thursday, remote on Friday for school cleaning 

2.  Half students attend Monday and Wednesday, the other half Tuesday and Thursday, everyone remote on Friday

3.  Half students attend Monday - Thursday week 1, remote week 2, the other half remote week 1, in school week 2 - all students remote on Friday.

Isn't #2 the worst for controlling the virus?   #3 would seem like the best option

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1 hour ago, Mile High said:

As far as I know most school district have plans to reopen in the fall. This is as usual, the conman is creating a problem that he can claim later he solved without really even doing to solving it.

You're calling it a con, then say most districts plan to reopen.  Then you admit that even you aren't even fully reopening:  

17 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Our school district plan is kindergarten thur 6th grade plus 9th and 12 grades to attend school 5 days a week. 7th,8th,10th and 11th grades students will go to school 5 days out of 10 and online 5 the other 5 days. One week some students will go 2 days the next week they will go 3 days. 

“If anybody sat here today, and told you that they could reopen the school in September, that would be reckless and negligent of that person,” Cuomo said.

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1 minute ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Isn't #2 the worst for controlling the virus?   #3 would seem like the best option

We voted for #3 

None are ideal, but 1 would probably be "worst" only because there would be no social distancing during the school day.

Logistically - 2 and 3 are nightmares for the school system.  We already operate on an A/B schedule - meaning kids take 4 classes on A days, and their other 4 classes on B days.  So, the process of splitting them into two roughly equal groups, and then getting the schedule ironed out will be a minor miracle. 

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2 minutes ago, The Gator said:

We voted for #3 

None are ideal, but 1 would probably be "worst" only because there would be no social distancing during the school day.

Logistically - 2 and 3 are nightmares for the school system.  We already operate on an A/B schedule - meaning kids take 4 classes on A days, and their other 4 classes on B days.  So, the process of splitting them into two roughly equal groups, and then getting the schedule ironed out will be a minor miracle. 

My buddy works in a place where they can't work from home.  That office split them into two groups and they alternate weeks in the office and clean it every weekend.  Lets them social distance and have empty cubicles between people.

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California's Teachers Association: "“It is clear that communities and school districts have not come close to meeting the threshold for a safe return to in-person learning, even under a hybrid model.”  "Impossible Task"

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3 minutes ago, tonydead said:

California's Teachers Association: "“It is clear that communities and school districts have not come close to meeting the threshold for a safe return to in-person learning, even under a hybrid model.”  "Impossible Task"

Teacher’s unions always have student and parent interests as the priority.  

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3 minutes ago, tonydead said:

California's Teachers Association: "“It is clear that communities and school districts have not come close to meeting the threshold for a safe return to in-person learning, even under a hybrid model.”  "Impossible Task"

Here is where I think "both sides" are getting it wrong.

There is no "right" answer here.

There is no 100% safe re-opening plan.  It simply does not, and cannot, exist.

At the same time, it would be foolish to simply ignore the risks and say "we have to live with it".

 

Somewhere there is a middle ground we we mitigate some risks, and accept some risks.  Both sides need to give a little to get to that point.

 

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18 minutes ago, The Gator said:

Here is where I think "both sides" are getting it wrong.

There is no "right" answer here.

There is no 100% safe re-opening plan.  It simply does not, and cannot, exist.

At the same time, it would be foolish to simply ignore the risks and say "we have to live with it".

 

Somewhere there is a middle ground we we mitigate some risks, and accept some risks.  Both sides need to give a little to get to that point.

 

This is one of those turning moments in the run up to the election, imo.  Democrats can't scream Carona! and reopen the schools at the same time.  The logic falls apart.  And even the Blue State governors are pushing to open the schools because they know the vast majority of people want that.  Kids are going to be back to school and Biden will still be locked in his basement.

ETA: and opening the schools will help the economy.

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20 minutes ago, Prinefan said:

Lol...  Sure.  Our blue state governor has stopped our state's opening (NC).  Teachers are retiring or otherwise seeking other employment.  The economy isn't going to be helped by millions more people getting sick and dying before we have a resolution for the virus.  You sound like you're quoting the Orange Bunker Boy.  Wow, just wow.

Wat?  Millions more people dying?

In trying to make any sense of what you wrote I think you have a bleak outlook on the economy.  Did you see the Nasdaq hit an all time high this week?  Not an all time since the Covid, an all time high ever.  Schools opening creates jobs which will help the economy.  That's just fact.  Everything opening will help the economy.

Will more people die as a result of opening too fast in some places, yes.  But there is an economic cost and like it or not America is reopening and a large majority of Americans want the schools to reopen this fall.

 

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11 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

So it’s very clear the MAGA message is being suppressed here . We suspected it was a one way street. It’s definitely confirmed 

Don't think it's suppressed.  Just can't imagine there's that many people who would actually admit they still believe.  

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17 minutes ago, Prinefan said:

Sorry man.  Getting out more is what's exacerbating this pandemic.  

Some of us haven't missed a day of work.  Restaurants are finally open and we are going extra often and tipping high.  Come out the water is fine!

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1 hour ago, Prinefan said:

Sorry man.  Getting out more is what's exacerbating this pandemic.  

We’ve already established the criteria of who shouldn’t be going out sir-

1. Elderly 

2. Persons easily susceptible/preexisting conditions 

3. People who suck their thumb in fear all day watching CNN

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12 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

We’ve already established the criteria of who shouldn’t be going out sir-

1. Elderly 

2. Persons easily susceptible/preexisting conditions 

3. People who suck their thumb in fear all day watching CNN

It doesn’t seem like we are responsible enough as a nation to be trusted with simple preventative measures.

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Just now, Widbil83 said:

No shame in being number 3 good buddy.

Work smarter, not harder friend.

I work for a Japanese company. Get updates on their COVID response and results once a week. I am honestly embarrassed by the #### show we got going on.

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The Democrats (Trump re-election team) don’t even hide it anymore. 

The Hill@thehill

Reporter asking about Christopher Columbus statue in Baltimore: "Shouldn't that be done by a commission or the city council, not a mob in the middle of the night throwing it into a harbor?"

Speaker Nancy Pelosi: "People will do what they do."

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1281258102587785218?s=21

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1 hour ago, Widbil83 said:

The Democrats (Trump re-election team) don’t even hide it anymore. 

The Hill@thehill

Reporter asking about Christopher Columbus statue in Baltimore: "Shouldn't that be done by a commission or the city council, not a mob in the middle of the night throwing it into a harbor?"

Speaker Nancy Pelosi: "People will do what they do."

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1281258102587785218?s=21

Do what you want. Isn’t that Alpha material?

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4 hours ago, The General said:

Work smarter, not harder friend.

I work for a Japanese company. Get updates on their COVID response and results once a week. I am honestly embarrassed by the #### show we got going on.

Funny so do I. However comparing the two countries is Ridiculous.  The Japanese are like no other people on the planet.  They follow rules from birth  

 

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12 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Funny so do I. However comparing the two countries is Ridiculous.  The Japanese are like no other people on the planet.  They follow rules from birth  

 

Agreed. The Japanese are definitely a different culture than us. 

Regarding COVID. They present the information in our meetings where they say they the country is concerned with a spike in infections and that they went from like 300 cases to 330 in a week across the nation and it’s a failure that they didn’t do better.

 

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23 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Yeah, no fair comparing to successful responses, they're smarter. Not apples to apples!

Kind of hard to argue with the results here.

They have like around 1000 deaths had no shutdown.

Makes us look like a bunch of stupid hicks.

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1 hour ago, Apple Jack said:

Yeah, no fair comparing to successful responses, they're smarter. Not apples to apples!

You obviously have no understanding of their culture or people. I’d rather be American and have our COVID than Japanese and theirs.   Would be nice to have the lower numbers but I wouldn’t change a thing. 

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