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If the government paid you $750 per homeless person, per day. How many would you house, feed and clothe? (1 Viewer)
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David Dodds
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The government would need to keep $675 of the $750 to administer/audit the program and you would have to spend 2 hours a day filling out forms for your $75 portion.
KCitons
Footballguy
Is it true of some companies?
Is it true of the companies that run the holding facilities on the border?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
It is true for some companies, probably more than not. Welcome to the world of capitalism.
KCitons
Footballguy
Now we are getting somewhere.
Which is why I contested the validity of the poll. How many would do it just for the money. If they are, then we have identified that they are only in it for a profit. Does that mean they will all be satisfied with the same profit? What if one wants 95% profit, while another is okay with 75%? This would be no different from what we are seeing with immigrants. Some would do better than others. But, in the end, we are human. We all suffer from the same faults.
These polls prove nothing.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Sometimes I feel polls like these make us think about our stances. It can make us question who we really are and what we stand for.
The Commish
Footballguy
Different things motivate different people. I'm not sure that's a shock to anyone much less "interesting", but glad I could do my part
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Shouldn’t the question be $6000 per year or so? We have half a million homeless and spend about $3 bn per year, right?
The whole premise of the thread is "what if". The government isn't going to give taxpayers $750 a day to house anyone.
Make sure you stop in to the other thread and tell @Henry Ford to stop the "what ifs" as well.
KCitons
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Which is why I sade compassion and greed dont coexist.Different things motivate different people. I'm not sure that's a shock to anyone much less "interesting", but glad I could do my part
KCitons
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supermike80
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KCitons
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supermike80
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Henry Ford
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Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Can't someone feel good about helping another person out while also making some money? I feel good when my business makes a profit and I share those profits with my employees yet I still profit more than they do since I am the owner.
KCitons
Footballguy
I don't think so in this case. Otherwise the $750 per day number wouldn't have been part of the original question. We've established that $750 per day is way more than anyone would need to feed, house and take care of an immigrant or homeless person. But, nobody said that they would do it for less.
You also said that the money is a bonus and a key reason you would do it.
The real question should be, "how much would it take per day for you to take someone in"? Would you do it for $1 in profit? $100 in profit?
The Commish
Footballguy
My google shows you created this thread. If that's what the question should be, then why wasn't that the question?
And I've already told you I do this sort of thing for free from time to time...that's less that $750 a day....a lot less.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Why would I do it for less if I'me being offered $750 a day? I can be compassionate and not stupid at the same time. I would do for $500 day or even $400.
KCitons
Footballguy
I've patted you on the back already.
My google shows you created this thread. If that's what the question should be, then why wasn't that the question?
And I've already told you I do this sort of thing for free from time to time...that's less that $750 a day....a lot less.
In case you're really that slow. This thread was created as sarcastic response to the other thread.
Perhaps I need to start a third thread?
Hawkeye21
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Lets see... carry the one, yep, my math checks out. That is significantly less than $750. It's $750 less to be precise.
My google shows you created this thread. If that's what the question should be, then why wasn't that the question?
And I've already told you I do this sort of thing for free from time to time...that's less that $750 a day....a lot less.
KCitons
Footballguy
But, you're not doing it unless there is a clearly defined profit.
Is that any different from what these companies are doing? Isn't that capitalism?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
It would completely depend on the circumstances for me. If it was someone I knew that needed help and I knew I could help them out then I would do it for nothing. If it was a stranger then it would depend on a lot of different things. This is not a simple yes or no question for me.
The Commish
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Start however many threads you want
I'll just say this is a ####### up thing to be sarcastic about...pretty disgusting actually to the point I gave you the benefit of the doubt (though the thought did momentarily cross my mind). Guess I've learned my lesson. Hopefully everyone in this thread learned their lesson. All those choosing to engage you appear to be engaging you in good faith....hopefully they too are paying attention for future consideration.
KCitons
Footballguy
Paying attention to what? I'm having a discussion. You continue to point out that you've helped people for no monetary gain. I acknowledged that. Sorry you can dish it out, but can't take it. The poll and comments clearly show that other people wouldn't do it for free. Get off your high horse and quit making it all about you.Start however many threads you want
I'll just say this is a ####### up thing to be sarcastic about...pretty disgusting actually to the point I gave you the benefit of the doubt (though the thought did momentarily cross my mind). Guess I've learned my lesson. Hopefully everyone in this thread learned their lesson. All those choosing to engage you appear to be engaging you in good faith....hopefully they too are paying attention for future consideration.
I tried to say good day earlier. Perhaps we should try that again.
Have a nice day.
The Commish
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That you'd stoop to belittling a topic like this with your sarcastic mockery. THAT has nothing to do with me, but does seem to be par for the course. If you ever catch me making light of topics like this, feel free to beat me down over it, I can certainly take it and would expect to be held in check.
KCitons
Footballguy
Belittling?
Is that what you call spending $750 a day on immigrants while our own citizens live on the streets?
Just because I don't beat my chest and act like I'm better than everyone else, doesn't mean I'm belittling. I'm taking my own approach to make people think about the hypocrisy that is this forum and this country.
Again. Have a nice day.
The Commish
Footballguy
The only other people dumb enough to engage directly in this exercise besides me had two different answers. Did dutch say he wouldn't support illegal immigrants in his home? Did Hawkeye say he would do it for free in the other thread? That's what would be required on your quest to be the documenter of all things hypocritical. If they answered the same in both and I answered the same in both you're going to have to try a different approach to root out all the hypocrites. They aren't biting. Clearly, they are smarter than the three of us who actually engaged in this farce.
KCitons
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The Commish
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KCitons
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Sorry for your loss. Sucks to lose your life helping other people. I'd like to think that earns him some extra points in the afterlife.
Rattle and Hum
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I would like to hear more about this. If you haven't already, would you be willing to share your experiences in a FFA thread? Tia
Politician Spock
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Many homeless people can't keep a job because of mental issues.-fish- said:
I fully support tax dollars being spent to help with homelessness, but simply giving the tax money to lay people to take them in is a really bad idea, and your story is a good example of why.
And it's really a #### move for someone to use this topic as a form of sarcasm. In my opinion, our country's lack of willingness to do something in this area is a serious black eye we suffer from.
Joe Summer
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supermike80
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This is 100% untrue. Many homeless people are just down on their luck. If we give them free homes, they will pull themselves up by the bootstraps and become productive members of society. You must not be paying attention
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KCitons
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How is this doing any damage to the issue of homelessness?
Before I started this thread, there was one other thread about homelessness? How many immigrant threads are there?
I think you're just looking for a reason to be angry (and angry at me). Isn't that taking away from the seriousness of this issue as well?
Hypocrisy strikes again.
KCitons
Footballguy
I don't think it matters how you propose the question. Be it adults, kids, homeless, immigrants. Most of us don't require $750 a day to live safe, comfortable lives.
My bigger concern is how we decide who gets this $750 per day and is there a better way to use the money that would help more people. (including our own population). I hear over and over how people from Central America are fleeing their countries because of the destabilization caused by the U.S. Government. What about the problems the government has caused to people in this country? Don't those people deserve the same level of help? Especially since it's their tax money that's footing the bill.
moleculo
Footballguy
that doesn't seem to be your question. Based on your earlier comments, it seems like you are treating this as a pure business decision.
If I'm going to sign up to house homeless kids and given $750/day to do it, I need to know what level of comfort, service, medical care, clothing, education, etc are expected. How can I possibly know if $750/day is reasonable to meet expectations if you won't state what those expectations are? If you won't clearly define what you expect, I'm going to have to vote 0.
KCitons
Footballguy
I would expect you to pose the same question to Henry in his thread.
But, we all know that won't and hasn't happened. (you could have copied and pasted) Why?
We know that the private companies that house immigrants make their choices based on profit. We also don't know what they are required to supply. We just assume that basic things like a bed, meals, and a toothbrush are normal amenities that every person in this county should have. It's a business, and not a non profit. At least the government is paying someone, to do something, for immigrants. While it's own people suffer in the streets without a bed, meals or toothbrushes.
But, to play along with your game, I posed the same "what ifs" to posters here in regards to things like medical care. I even asked who carries the responsibility in regards to security and crimes against other people. (perhaps other homeless people that they are housing). That was called a stupid what if.
Ultimately, this thread serves as a reminder of how hypocritical many of the posters in this thread have become. The group will argue both sides of the topic in the same thread, but would never dare call out someone from their own clique. It's only certain posters that get that attention.
It's getting so I can set my watch by it.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I know. It's somehow a huge surprise for some when they realize that business owners make a profit off of their business. Oh, the humanity!
The Commish
Footballguy
Spit out the hook GB. There have been four people who have attempted to engage him honestly in this thread. Three of them haven't even posted in the other thread, but they are somehow hypocrites. The four answered the same way in both threads and oddly enough is still a hypocrite. Just let him go...he's on a quest to validate some preconceived notion, reality be damned.
moleculo
Footballguy
because I don't read every thread. I'm trying to be very direct here (if you insist I will pose the same question in another thread):
what standard of care am I expected to provide for $750/day?
moleculo
Footballguy
meh, you are probably right. Let's see if he can answer one simple, basic question germane to the OP.
I haven't even gotten to the part where greed and compassion can't coexist BS.
parasaurolophus
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In fairness to moleculo did you see where asking questions in that thread gets you? You should be flattered, not insulted.
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