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This did not age well. 

If you were cheating and Fernando Rodney still got you out in a playoff game, you should get double the punishment.  

its forever tainted no matter what else happens or who else is disciplined basically the houston astros have the leg lamp of championship trophies and when stros fans try to tell you its a major award

12 hours ago, shadyridr said:

Get back to me when you have a smoking gun about a camera in center field. 

Otherwise you have trashcan banging on sparse attended September games in 2017. 

It is possible the Astros come clean and open up every can of worms they know on others. From their own intelligence and guys coming from other teams. 

I personally can't wait until they make a 30 for 30 on this era of baseball. It will be fascinating. 

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25 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Get back to me when you have a smoking gun about a camera in center field. 

Otherwise you have trashcan banging on sparse attended September games in 2017. 

It is possible the Astros come clean and open up every can of worms they know on others. From their own intelligence and guys coming from other teams. 

I personally can't wait until they make a 30 for 30 on this era of baseball. It will be fascinating. 

You weren’t willing to accept the word of a player on the team so I doubt the proof of a camera would persuade you. 

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Just now, Capella said:

You weren’t willing to accept the word of a player on the team so I doubt the proof of a camera would persuade you. 

I am of the opinion that they did it. 99.9% chance. But....it probably can’t be proven. 

And that they did it because they knew almost everyone else was doing it and them not doing it would put them at a relative disadvantage. 

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42 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Get back to me when you have a smoking gun about a camera in center field. 

Otherwise you have trashcan banging on sparse attended September games in 2017. 

It is possible the Astros come clean and open up every can of worms they know on others. From their own intelligence and guys coming from other teams. 

I personally can't wait until they make a 30 for 30 on this era of baseball. It will be fascinating. 

Mike Fiers bro

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Just now, Ron Swanson said:

To be fair, we do know for sure that the Red Sox And Yankees were involved in something very similar.

Right. To compete at the highest levels of baseball the last few years you better be doing it too. 

You get my argument!

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1 hour ago, bigmarc27 said:

The Sox have, not aware of the Yankees but maybe so.  If there’s evidence they continued further then the punishment should be even more severe. 

Sox caught with Apple watches in Sept '17. MLB fined them and put everyone in notice that future violations could result in serious penalties. The Danny Farquhuar video posted by Jomboy happened 6 days after MLBs warning. 

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Just now, shadyridr said:

Sox caught with Apple watches in Sept '17. MLB fined them and put everyone in notice that future violations could result in serious penalties. The Danny Farquhuar video posted by Jomboy happened 6 days after MLBs warning. 

It was an arms race going on at the highest levels of baseball being played. For sure. 

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2 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

It was an arms race going on at the highest levels of baseball being played. For sure. 

So despite all the overwhelming evidence against the Astros you're still not convinced but all the teams doing this despite little evidence your sure about. Gotcha

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Just now, shadyridr said:

So despite all the overwhelming evidence against the Astros you're still not convinced but all the teams doing this despite little evidence your sure about. Gotcha

Not sure I understand your statement there. A bit confusing. 

If you look back though, I commented earlier I believe 99.9% that Houston was cheating. Hopefully that addresses what you’re saying there. 

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Why didn't other former Astros come out and complain?  It just seems odd.  Was watching IT and Chris Rose was saying his opinion of the Astros would change if this proves to be true.  And Kevin Millar said that's ridiculous because all teams are doing this type of stuff.

 

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5 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

Why didn't other former Astros come out and complain?  It just seems odd.  Was watching IT and Chris Rose was saying his opinion of the Astros would change if this proves to be true.  And Kevin Millar said that's ridiculous because all teams are doing this type of stuff.

 

Same reason players didn’t say anything when others were doping, baseball abides by street culture of no snitching and governing with unwritten rules.  It’s the same reason Millar feels the way he does as well.  Stop thinking about baseball players as “normal” members of society who abide by norms.  They’re a bunch of guys who play a game for a living, most of whom were poached directly from HS and thrown on the road into a roaming fraternity of pranks and fart jokes. 

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16 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

Why didn't other former Astros come out and complain?  It just seems odd.  Was watching IT and Chris Rose was saying his opinion of the Astros would change if this proves to be true.  And Kevin Millar said that's ridiculous because all teams are doing this type of stuff.

 

Disgruntled former employee. This last start in Houston most likely was the last straw

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9 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

Same reason players didn’t say anything when others were doping, baseball abides by street culture of no snitching and governing with unwritten rules.  It’s the same reason Millar feels the way he does as well.  Stop thinking about baseball players as “normal” members of society who abide by norms.  They’re a bunch of guys who play a game for a living, most of whom were poached directly from HS and thrown on the road into a roaming fraternity of pranks and fart jokes. 

No.  I think you're completely wrong.  As wrong as when you said "pushing the boundaries was noticing if a pitcher holds his glove higher when throwing a fastball."  

Baseball players know that everyone is doing this.  Or a version of this.  The fact that people are acting like this is a crime similar to hacking into someone's computer is laughable.  I mean, listen, we're talking about sign stealing, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, we talking about sign stealing. Not a crime. Not, not … Not a crime that I go out there and die doing like it's my last. Not a crime, but we're talking about sign stealing, man. I mean, how silly is that? … And we talking about sign stealing. I know they're not supposed to be steal signs. I know they're  supposed to lead by example... I know that... And I'm not.. I'm not shoving it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do. I honestly do... But we're talking about sign stealing, man. What are we talking about? Sign stealing? We're talking about sign stealing, man. We're talking about sign stealing. We're talking about sign stealing. We ain't talking about a crime. We're talking about sign stealing, man. When you come to the ball park, and you see them play, you see them play fairly don't you? You've seen them give everything they've got, right? But we're talking about sign stealing right now. We talking about sign stealing.

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The sign stealing trashcan seen in Astros 2017 documentary

"MLB has launched an investigation into the Houston Astros’ apparent technology-aided tactics to steal signs dating back to the 2017 season. And the league investigators may want to check out the Astros’ own commemorative World Series documentary.

It may reveal where the sign stealing unfolded...."

First emails, now video...oh man Houston Asterisks...

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Stealing signs and tipping them even using a trashcan is fine.  

Not when you are stealing them via live video as its going on.  I f you figure out a pitching tell or catcher tell or sign then so be it

 

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9 minutes ago, belljr said:

Stealing signs and tipping them even using a trashcan is fine.  

Not when you are stealing them via live video as its going on.  I f you figure out a pitching tell or catcher tell or sign then so be it

 

Right.  Worse than murder, but slightly less worse than treason.

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On 11/17/2019 at 9:49 AM, NREC34 said:

Get back to me when you have a smoking gun about a camera in center field. 

Otherwise you have trashcan banging on sparse attended September games in 2017. 

It is possible the Astros come clean and open up every can of worms they know on others. From their own intelligence and guys coming from other teams. 

I personally can't wait until they make a 30 for 30 on this era of baseball. It will be fascinating. 

Here you go: https://imgur.com/a/bhT5fQS

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2 minutes ago, Gianni Verscotchie said:

Look at all the pics. The camera is on a level above the 3 broadcast cameras next to the big coke bottle. https://imgur.com/a/bhT5fQS

I'm guessing that's also a TV camera.  I'm not saying they don't have a camera out there, but that's a dude with a huge camera just out in the open.  If that was the camera, I think we'd be hearing about this before Fiers said anything.  I'm guessing the camera they used is probably a very small camera that is operated remotely.  

And if that IS the camera, not only do the Astros have use wheelbarrows to carry around their huge balls, but everyone else should have their eyes checked.  Talk about hiding out in plain sight.

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2 minutes ago, Gianni Verscotchie said:

This picture of the monitor being taken away after the game also looks bad for the Astros and corroborates the allegations. https://i.redd.it/14zod088rbz31.jpg

Again, not saying it's not that, but a lot of teams have monitors back there.  If you watch baseball enough, you'll hear the announcers talk about how a guy will strike out, walk back to the dugout, go into the tunnel, then walk right back out and start chirping at the ump.  And that's because they watch a video of the at bat and can see if the ump called them out on a ball.

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6 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

I'm guessing that's also a TV camera.  I'm not saying they don't have a camera out there, but that's a dude with a huge camera just out in the open.  If that was the camera, I think we'd be hearing about this before Fiers said anything.  I'm guessing the camera they used is probably a very small camera that is operated remotely.  

And if that IS the camera, not only do the Astros have use wheelbarrows to carry around their huge balls, but everyone else should have their eyes checked.  Talk about hiding out in plain sight.

I'm not passing judgment yet, but the guy operating the camera in question is wearing an orange shirt (1st pic) https://imgur.com/a/bhT5fQS

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1 hour ago, TheIronSheik said:

Again, not saying it's not that, but a lot of teams have monitors back there.  If you watch baseball enough, you'll hear the announcers talk about how a guy will strike out, walk back to the dugout, go into the tunnel, then walk right back out and start chirping at the ump.  And that's because they watch a video of the at bat and can see if the ump called them out on a ball.

Interesting story from Ben Davis (former catcher and current announcer for the Phillies).... he said that whenever he played for the Giants and the ump made a particularly bad call on balls/strikes, and he was SURE it was the wrong call, he would scoop up a handful of dirt and toss it aside. This was a signal to Bochy to let him know he could really start chirping at the ump. 

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2 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

MLB already knew everything

I wouldn’t look for anything too serious to come out of this for the Astros. 

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.  This means they knew they were cheating, and were gathering evidence. Also this is now known by fans, lack of reaction is something that will alienate every other fanbase.  The NFL can get away with this because they have a stranglehold on everything, MLB can’t shove this aside. 

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1 minute ago, bigmarc27 said:

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.  This means they knew they were cheating, and were gathering evidence. Also this is now known by fans, lack of reaction is something that will alienate every other fanbase.  The NFL can get away with this because they have a stranglehold on everything, MLB can’t shove this aside. 

I think you are taking this more seriously than most baseball fans.

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Just now, bigmarc27 said:

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.  This means they knew they were cheating, and were gathering evidence. Also this is now known by fans, lack of reaction is something that will alienate every other fanbase.  The NFL can get away with this because they have a stranglehold on everything, MLB can’t shove this aside. 

They knew about banging, which is what Fiers told and let the cat out of the bag to the general public. They updated all the rules early this year, probably because of all this. So I’m not sure there’s much of a leg to stand on for any complaints about 2017. 

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Just now, NREC34 said:

@bigmarc27 just out of curiosity, which baseball team are you a fan of?

Braves. 
 

Our former GM got busted for his antics with international signees and was rightfully banned from baseball.  Our biggest stake in this is a lot of shame in wondering what role McCann played in this, but personally as a baseball fan I find all of this disheartening.  

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3 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

Considering it’s basically all https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/ is talking about as well as constant articles from all national baseball writers, I think you’re being an oblivious homer. 

And I think you're being a whiny anti-fan complaining because your team lost to a superior team.  

:shrug:

 

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