Chadstroma
Footballguy
Confirmed PS so far, Javin White, Nick Bowers and Kamaal Seymour
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☹ Official 2020 Las Vegas Raiders thread ☹ (2 Viewers)
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
And what’s with the trade? Bowden and a 6th for a 4th. Fleeced.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Bowden+6thDA RAIDERS said:
For
McMillan+5th
After all said and done.
nightmare
Footballguy
They drafted Bowden(3.16) and got a 4th for him. He didn't fit their plans.DA RAIDERS said:
Mayock and Gruden are moving in the right direction. They cut their losses with Bowden
quickly. Most teams would have him burn a roster spot for 2 years.
Belichick did the same with M Sanu and he gave up a 2nd with no compensation.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i won't be comparing mayock and gruden to belicheck any time soon.
i agree that the team is moving in the right direction. we'll see if they achieve anything similar, to the 'patriot way'. historically, that's just not the raiders.
and with bowden, i hated the pick as soon as it was made. proof is in this thread.
nightmare
Footballguy
I though hiring Gruden for $100 mill was a joke and then hiring M Mayock was another joke.
They have proven me wrong. This is the year for D Carr to prove he is their guy.
Bowden "cost" them 1 round in a draft, a lot of bad picks usually cost teams more then that.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
hope you're right.
i'm on record, as a gruden hater.
the bowden thing, just pisses me off. because the second they took him, i hated it. and here we are.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
PS players
Ateman, Marcell WR 6-4 215 2 Oklahoma State
Bowers, Nick TE 6-4 260 R Penn State
Brown, Jordan DB 6-0 200 1 North Dakota State
Doss, Keelan WR 6-3 215 1 UC Davis
Eberle, Dominik K 6-2 190 R Utah State
Emanuel, Kyle LB 6-3 250 5 North Dakota State
Harper, Madre DB 6-2 190 R Southern Illinois
Jones, Datone DE 6-4 285 7 UCLA
Mabin, Dylan CB 6-1 195 1 Fordham
Magnuson, Erik OL 6-6 300 3 Michigan
Riddick, Theo RB 5-10 197 7 Notre Dame
Seymour, Kamaal T 6-6 310 R Rutgers
Smith, Chris DE 6-1 266 7 Arkansas
White, Javin LB 6-2
Ateman, Marcell WR 6-4 215 2 Oklahoma State
Bowers, Nick TE 6-4 260 R Penn State
Brown, Jordan DB 6-0 200 1 North Dakota State
Doss, Keelan WR 6-3 215 1 UC Davis
Eberle, Dominik K 6-2 190 R Utah State
Emanuel, Kyle LB 6-3 250 5 North Dakota State
Harper, Madre DB 6-2 190 R Southern Illinois
Jones, Datone DE 6-4 285 7 UCLA
Mabin, Dylan CB 6-1 195 1 Fordham
Magnuson, Erik OL 6-6 300 3 Michigan
Riddick, Theo RB 5-10 197 7 Notre Dame
Seymour, Kamaal T 6-6 310 R Rutgers
Smith, Chris DE 6-1 266 7 Arkansas
White, Javin LB 6-2
joey
Footballguy
Thanks for this.
i know there’s a veteran exception for this year’s practice squad, but seeing a long time vet like Riddick on there is odd.
I like it. No ego, admit your mistake and move on. Also puts everyone on notice that draft capital alone is not keeping you on the team. Glad we found some suckers to give us something for our trash.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Brought back Sam Young when we put Muse on IR.
Garrett
Footballguy
It always seemed like Key's biggest issue was not getting into the backfield/pocket, but actually completing the play once he arrived. With no QB contact allowed in camp and no preseason reps, I am hopeful but hesitant as well until we see it in action.
Garrett
Footballguy
I agree cutting your losses is the best move at this point. There is a lot more nuance for a rookie TE or DB coming into the NFL in terms of learning to play at a new level or in new ways. When your main asset as a RB is just pure agility and instinctive running, and that is not shining brightly in camp...there is not a lot of positive narratives moving forward in terms of career prospects. It is what it is.
Ed Wood
Footballguy
Agree with this. Sounds like the way this thing could have played out they may have ended up cutting him and getting nothing. Maybe they could have salvaged a 6th or a 7th but who knows.
Ed Wood
Footballguy
Well, I've got em going 1-4 to start before things take a major turn for the better:
Panthers W
Saints L
Pats L
Bills L
Chiefs L
Bucs W
Browns W
Chargers W
Broncos W
Chiefs L
Falcons W
Jets L
Colts W
Chargers W
Dolphins W
Broncos L
9-7
Anybody else?
Garrett
Footballguy
at Panthers - WIN
Saints - WIN
at Patriots - LOSS
Bills - WIN
at Chiefs - LOSS
Buccaneers - WIN
at Browns - LOSS
at Chargers - WIN
Broncos - WIN
Chiefs - LOSS
at Falcons - LOSS
at Jets - WIN
Colts - WIN
Chargers - LOSS
Dolphins - WIN
at Broncos - WIN
10-6
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joey
Footballguy
Las Vegas Review-Journal reporting Mariota not at practice and DeShone Kizer there instead. Not trying to speculate too much, maybe Mariota is dealing with a serious injury setback. Or this is another Gruden/Mayock buyers remorse situation and getting ready to cut ties again quickly with another player?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
It is hard not for anyone to look at this and say we wasted a 3rd round pick. At the very least we could have taken Zack Moss at that point. '
On the other hand, agree with this take and the others who commented that if in the end, you don't see a) a player who is focused and b) a player who isn't living up to expectations, then acting quickly -- and even getting something in return -- is a solid move.
Gruden and Mayock won't tolerate character issues -- and reports that Bowden was focused on cars and the Vegas nightlife won't cut mustard with the culture we're building. Gruden and Mayock also shouldn't tolerate lack of execution -- reports Bowden was completely lost in pass pro and not contributing shouldn't be tolerated either.
Thinking of it another way, Bowden must have really not been on the ball for this to show up so quickly in camp and the team not think he had a chance to develop. If they saw troubling things that quickly, why wait and waste a spot? They seem to have no problem avoiding sunk cost fallacy and I'm fine with that.
Sucks to not have Bowden work out, but I'd much rather have him gone if he's that distracted and looked that hopeless out there.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Had nothing to do with your Jacobs comment, rather the Gruden/Mayock BS you dropped. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.Or I forgot that these team threads are where fans of the team collectively delude themselves every year about the team, rather than have an objective discussion.
Apparently I am an idiot for suggesting Jacobs isn't on Saquons level of talent.
I'll show myself out. Good luck this year.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Restructured Littleton's deal clearing $8 million in cap this year. Wonder if that means a move is coming...
LawFitz
Footballguy
Only one guy left on the market worthy of a cap figure that would require this. I imagine we'll be seeing a washed up Earl Thomas in black fairly soon. I don't like this move. I think he's a marginal upgrade to Erik Harris at this point on the field, but way worse than that, Thomas seems to be a total cancer in the locker room. This has Chucky written all over it.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Gruden (and hopefully Mayock) appear to agree with you. Though, they also seem to be hedging their bets by waiting until next week to sign him?... Assuming it's still true that a vet signed after week 1 doesn't get his salary guaranteed.
I guess I wouldn't mind a one-yr rental here that results in a comp draft pick when he leaves next offseason, combined with the near and long-term financial incentive to be a good soldier.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Perhaps they are freeing up cap to extend Maliek Collins. They've been raving about his all camp, just made him a captain and he's set to be a UFA next year. They got ahead of Waller's contract last season before he fully broke out. Maybe they are looking to do the same here. I'd be more on board for that than Thomas.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Thomas is interesting. I didn't even think that.
Gruden/Mayock have shown they are willing to swing on talented but problematic players (Waller, Brown) with mixed results. I like Erik Harris but it is more like he plays beyond his talent level. Thomas is more talented but entering in the downward trajectory of his career. The off-field stuff is clearly troubling and from what I read earlier the PLAYERS on the team wanted him out. That worries me more than a coaching staff wanting to get rid of a player. If your mates don't want you around you are really causing issues.
I found this.... which I didn't previously hear.... when looking something up about Thomas and on his Wiki page...
On May 6, 2020, it was reported by TMZ that on April 13, Thomas was allegedly held at gunpoint by his wife Nina after finding him and his brother, Seth Thomas, in bed with other women. Nina’s arrest was reported the following day.
Gruden/Mayock have shown they are willing to swing on talented but problematic players (Waller, Brown) with mixed results. I like Erik Harris but it is more like he plays beyond his talent level. Thomas is more talented but entering in the downward trajectory of his career. The off-field stuff is clearly troubling and from what I read earlier the PLAYERS on the team wanted him out. That worries me more than a coaching staff wanting to get rid of a player. If your mates don't want you around you are really causing issues.
I found this.... which I didn't previously hear.... when looking something up about Thomas and on his Wiki page...
On May 6, 2020, it was reported by TMZ that on April 13, Thomas was allegedly held at gunpoint by his wife Nina after finding him and his brother, Seth Thomas, in bed with other women. Nina’s arrest was reported the following day.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Who? They have Nathan of whom they restructured his contract to go from un-guaranteed 2.4 or so to a guaranteed bit over a million recently. Not sure why you do that if you are not pretty sure you are good with him being #3.
But more importantly.... what QB on the market is worth or needs $8 million to sign? None as far as I know. I mean, you should be able to sign anyone right now for about a million.
Oh and we signed Kizer to the PS too.
I don't think QB is in the cards.
Thomas might make sense in as much as money needed to sign him or maybe they just want to be flexible going into the season.
We shall see.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Blessing and curse. I am hoping they all break out and raise each others' game at this level. That's a lot of rooks that need to learn the ropes in a very different offseason, though. Hoping that talent trumps inexperience and we see some fireworks right from the opening start.
And I mean right from the opening start.
As in, first offensive play of the season, PA to Jacobs and send Ruggs down field like a bolt of greased lightning for a 65 yard strike.
Then have our massive, nasty o-line rip a gaping hole in the defensive front for Jacobs to pound it to paydirt.
League on notice.
rockaction
Footballguy
Only problem with that scenario is if Ruggs goes 65 yards, nobody is catching him.
Color me pessimistic, but this has me concerned almost as much as much a rookie with a broken thumb at one CB spot and a 2nd year player at the other. But hey.... Go Raiders!
Garrett
Footballguy
Collins is the only player that would really make any sense right now with the current contracts...
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/yearly/
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing... he breaks that is it. No one on the other team has any hope of catching him.
Our 4.5 guy is keeping up with him pretty wellChadstroma said:
https://twitter.com/Raiders/status/1296190203854544902?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1296190203854544902|twgr^share_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcsports.com%2Fbayarea%2Fraiders%2Farnette-blankets-ruggs-shows-why-raiders-coveted-him
LawFitz
Footballguy
- Arnette: "I dun cut my finger, cuz."
- Teammate: "How'd you do that?"
- Arnette: "From being too sharp."
Swag - it's what's for breakfast.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I was referring to the person who did take issue with Jacobs not being as good as Saquon.
The Raiders signed Devante Booker and say they like the one two punch with he and Jacobs...?
“We liked his size, and we liked the way he hit the hole,” Offensive coordinator Greg Olson said of Booker. We thought he had a little bit more power. We felt like that when we evaluated him in the first place to bring him in here but we like the size and the power that he brings to the position, it gives you a bit of a one-two punch behind Josh and we’ve got obviously Jalen and Theo are more of the third down wide receiver type backs"
Are they trolling with these player evaluation comments? You like the way Devonte Booker hits the hole? And his power???
Lets see how Gruden and Mayock turn out here...
Chadstroma
Footballguy
You said Jacobs is "fine". That says everything about your bias. See ya.I was referring to the person who did take issue with Jacobs not being as good as Saquon.
The Raiders signed Devante Booker and say they like the one two punch with he and Jacobs...?
“We liked his size, and we liked the way he hit the hole,” Offensive coordinator Greg Olson said of Booker. We thought he had a little bit more power. We felt like that when we evaluated him in the first place to bring him in here but we like the size and the power that he brings to the position, it gives you a bit of a one-two punch behind Josh and we’ve got obviously Jalen and Theo are more of the third down wide receiver type backs"
Are they trolling with these player evaluation comments? You like the way Devonte Booker hits the hole? And his power???
Lets see how Gruden and Mayock turn out here...
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Yes... I put those quotes around it because exactly what I meant by that immediately follows that comment. Clarifying that I meant he is not in the elite RB tier of RBs who are likely to have a long career. If you're not at that elite level it's hard to be a feature back beyond your rookie deal. It's not a good idea to take a player like that in the first round unless you're ready to win. RBs are not really core players. Maybe in 2000 like the other poster said.
The Raiders thought they were going to win in 2019 and now again in 2020. Whiff.
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