They felt... wet? But not wet, because there was not much congestion. Heavy? Not right? Hard to describe. But definitely "something" I've never had for that length of time.Can you describe this?Then I started feeling better, but my lungs didn't feel right for two weeks afterwards.
Sucks man. This state is so full of old people. He’s going to get a lot of them killed.What is Florida doing by not shutting it down?
I still see a line of cars in the Starbucks drive-thru with people ready to buy an $8 cup of coffee. If we're truly free to interact as usual at the end of April / early May, summer entertainment spending will be through the roof.Absolutely.
First of all, behavior is going to change. Some people will, like Cappy said, avoid sporting events and other big crowds. What percentage of people? I don't know, but at least 10%, which will be a significant loss for those venues.
Second of all, even if the stimulus replaces every dollar everyone lost, that doesn't mean people will return to their spending habits. People are more likely to save for a rainy day now, especially given how few people were doing it before. So even shopping on Amazon, where these is no crowds, is going to take a hit as people buy less and save more.
There is absolutely no way the economy will be anywhere near what it was before when it is turned back on. Could take years to get back to those levels. Many businesses are going to retract their locations, resulting in a ton of empty commercial space, and more importantly the loss of those jobs that were there.
Interesting. Same here, although I've had no trouble breathing and it hasn't stopped me from vigorous exercise.They felt... wet? But not wet, because there was not much congestion. Heavy? Not right? Hard to describe. But definitely "something" I've never had for that length of time.
The math is overwhelming. Almost nobody has been infected so far — so what will be different in a few months? Anytime we relax the “rules” we will face almost exactly what we face today. If that changes - if we have more medical care available, better testing, etc - then cool, I’ll consider re-engaging society. But it will take meaningful change from where we are today.As an early paranoiac, and someone taking quarantine to extremes, I disagree. If there is a solid mitigation plan in place, meaning if I get it I can isolate from family and be quarantined at some unused hotel or something, and there is stringent contact tracing, then I’m all for doing my part to reintegrate.
I’m all about sacrifice for the greater good. Given where we are, my role is to stay out of the way. But in a more prepared reality, my role would be to help prevent economic catastrophe that will cost more lives than the virus. Irks me that we aren’t yet putting forth the wartime effort to make that practical.
I’m willing to assume my 1% risk or so, provided my government does its best to protect those with higher risk and minimize mine, and more vitally that of my family.
(They are not.)
Try me.Based on the rolling smiley, there's not a very high likelihood of you being interested in a serious response.
And and even lower likelihood of you taking the answer to heart.
Would be a double whammy if the rest of the country is opening up and trying to come down there when it was still elevated in FL. Was hoping to visit my aunt down in Jax for a bit this summer too.Sucks man. This state is so full of old people. He’s going to get a lot of them killed.
yea, me too - did not really impede me after the initial 4-5 days of being "sick". Mine then went away after 2 weeks.Interesting. Same here, although I've had no trouble breathing and it hasn't stopped me from vigorous exercise.
If florida is like arizona, the snowbirds went back north.Sucks man. This state is so full of old people. He’s going to get a lot of them killed.
Man that’s a question I don’t think we ever know. People say add a zero, I’m thinking more like 2 or even 3. It was bad there and they knew a lot earlier than they are letting on and tried to cover it up. On the low side, couple hundred thousand. On the high side, million?So how many people do you really think died in China?
Do want him to start in about Josh Gordon? Because this is how you get him to start in about Josh Gordon.Truer words have never been spoken. Granted, they have been spoken before...
For clarity, I believe that was just Toronto, not all Ontario. Probably moot point but as far as I know it was just Tory for Toronto.but with the announcement out of Ontario , no public events until july and now this article
On another board ... this is known as "thread-schmidting" (except with invective). Complete with the rolling-on-the-floor emoticon and all.If you wear gloves to a grocery store, can you explain this logic to me?
Tweet was pulled -- what did it say? Was it controversial ... something BNO couldn't back up?Well I guess this explains why Washington’s numbers are down:
https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1245182505239666688?s=21
Unbelievable
Gloves help nose pickers stop.On another board ... this is known as "thread-schmidting" (except with invective). Comlete with the rolling-on-the-floor emoticon and all.
Look -- no beef here. Just this: if you've got the goods (=info), show them. Make a case. Couch it as "I see people wearing gloves to the grocery. I think that's overkill because Reason 1, Reason 2, and Reason 3. They're unlikely to catch anything because of Reason 4, Fact 5, Replicated Study 6." Something like that.
What you basically posted meant "People who wear gloves to the grocery are a laughingstock!" You don't think there's any value whatsoever in people doing things for comfort, even if those things don't derive from cold logic?
FWIW ... I don't wear gloves to the grocery, either. I feel like frequent hand sanitizing is sufficient. But I don't think those that go with gloves are worthy of derision.
If you haven’t seen this yet, skip to about the 15:35 mark and watch his demonstration, see if that marries up to how you felt https://youtu.be/4J0d59dd-qMThey felt... wet? But not wet, because there was not much congestion. Heavy? Not right? Hard to describe. But definitely "something" I've never had for that length of time.
Yes, maybe but a lot just live here too.If florida is like arizona, the snowbirds went back north.
Obviously to avoid the germs.If you wear gloves to a grocery store, can you explain this logic to me?
Sounds like a case of COVID 20.What about mid-February?
6 weeks later and I still occasionally feel an urgent uncontrollable need to cough.
https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1245187425732788226?s=21Tweet was pulled -- what did it say? Was it controversial ... something BNO couldn't back up?
No, not really. They just felt odd, or like I mentioned, heavy/wet. It was like the sickness lingered there, but I could breathe well during that two week followup.If you haven’t seen this yet, skip to about the 15:35 mark and watch his demonstration, see if that marries up to how you felt https://youtu.be/4J0d59dd-qMThey felt... wet? But not wet, because there was not much congestion. Heavy? Not right? Hard to describe. But definitely "something" I've never had for that length of time.
Oh come on....Interesting. Same here, although I've had no trouble breathing and it hasn't stopped me from vigorous exercise.
That was the most surprising thing posted in this thread so far.Oh come on....
Prime benefit of wearing gloves or any kind of mask - keep the wearer from touching their face. Seems like a good thing these days, but then again I’m just a common sense kind of guy.On another board ... this is known as "thread-schmidting" (except with invective). Complete with the rolling-on-the-floor emoticon and all.If you wear gloves to a grocery store, can you explain this logic to me?
Look -- no beef here. Just this: if you've got the goods (=info), show them. Make a case. Couch it as "I see people wearing gloves to the grocery. I think that's overkill because Reason 1, Reason 2, and Reason 3. They're unlikely to catch anything because of Reason 4, Fact 5, Replicated Study 6." Something like that.
What you basically posted meant "People who wear gloves to the grocery are a laughingstock!" You don't think there's any value whatsoever in people doing things for comfort, even if those things don't derive from cold logic?
FWIW ... I don't wear gloves to the grocery, either. I feel like frequent hand sanitizing is sufficient. But I don't think those that go with gloves are worthy of derision
I agree with a lot of what you said, but people are overemphasizing the bolded. It does mutate, just not as quickly as run-of-the-mill coronaviruses, which mutate very quickly. Most every strain on this phylogenetic tree is likely the result of mutation(s), though I suppose some may due to recombination as well.A couple comments on the topics of the day...
Its unlikely that CV was widespread in November. Many may have had symptoms like what’s being described but there’s major flaws in it being CV. First where are the unexplained pneumonia deaths? China alerted WHO when they had a cluster of like 5 deaths from unexplained pneumonia. If it was in other countries in November, there would have been other deaths.
Second, if it was elsewhere in November, what caused it to go dormant in these countries for a few months? As contagious as it is, there’s little chance it would have died off and not spread aggressively especially without the social distancing we’re doing now. Third, researchers don’t believe the it mutates and changes like other viruses. For this to be true, you’d have to assume that a less powerful version of it was around and then it mutated to what it is now. If that’s the case, we’re more screwed than we thought.
On China, they undoubtedly have downplayed and lied about their numbers. I think a good rule of thumb would be to assume that everything is several multiples worse than what’s being publicly portrayed. Their government will hide something until they can’t. When they recently re-closed the cinemas, that’s likely a sign that it’s gotten bad enough that they can’t continue to make their claims of beating it.
With that being said, the major sins of the Chinese government doesn’t clear everyone else from being accountable for their actions.
As someone who is deep in snowbird territory of AZ, I can tell you that they are still here. In my area we mainly get people from Washington/Oregon/Idaho/Colorado and they’re not going back yet. In fact, that could end up being a big problem because the model has AZ peaking late April and early May when they will be going back.If florida is like arizona, the snowbirds went back north.
Lol @ casting blame largely where blame is due and characterizing it as "partisan politics." This isn't a D vs. R debate. China misled the world for weeks if not months and now the world is paying the price. Put us on ignore if you don't want to read it.Just so you all know, the WHO/China thing is a political thing being pushed on right wing sites today. This isn’t a political thread, so please keep your partisan talking points to the other forum. This forum isn’t one where we can discuss who is at fault for where we stand.
He’s been hitting the elliptical pretty hard.That was the most surprising thing posted in this thread so far.
My wife keeps telling me she thinks she had it late last year, and when I try to correct her, it increases the chances I'll have to start posting more in the coronavirus divorce thread.If you had flu-like symptoms in November, you had the flu. Congratulations.
I don't see how our economy can survive mandatory social distancing for that long.I have no doubt we are looking at 4th of July at the earliest for things to even begin to really loosen here
Oh it can’t.I don't see how our economy can survive mandatory social distancing for that long.
Sometimes I really miss him and his popped pink collars.Oh it can’t.
#LHUCKSsellsignal
The problem with gloves, like masks, is that people don’t know how to use them properly and overestimate how much they protect you. For glove think do them as a disposable pair of hands that you throw away rather than scrubbing or sanitizing. Either way it doesn’t do any good if you’re still touching your face in between washing/removing gloves.Prime benefit of wearing gloves or any kind of mask - keep the wearer from touching their face. Seems like a good thing these days, but then again I’m just a common sense kind of guy.
Can you define what this is. Im serious, how often can we expect people to test. How often would it be necessary. You could be healthy one day that you test and sick the next and have no idea.Rigorous testing
I hear you, anytime I wake up before noon I think I'm in an alternate universeWFH is weird---I am up at 11:00 drinking beer and posting here....what day is it?
I think if we’re able to get enough tests and supplies, you test everyone and get back to a baseline. Test positive and you go into strict quarantine for 2 weeks. Test negative and you get to go back to semi-normal life. Test everyone is short period of time. Retest anyone who went into quarantine until they test negative. At that point we can start over and contact trace any future positive tests.Can you define what this is. Im serious, how often can we expect people to test. How often would it be necessary. You could be healthy one day that you test and sick the next and have no idea.
More stimulus packages.I don't see how our economy can survive mandatory social distancing for that long.
Quick update.My dad has been sick for a few weeks. My mom called me today to say he was about to die. I said some final words to him and he could hear me but was unable to respond. He passed a short time later.
Now I have to find a way to help my mom get through this while she’s in Florida, I’m in Michigan and the Coronavirus is in full force. I want to fly down to help her but also don’t want to inadvertently infect her by catching it while in a plane or the airport. What a mess right now...
Yes. I agree. It should have been done last week.What is Florida doing by not shutting it down?
Good luck. Sending positive vibes your way.Quick update.
After a lot of deliberation and discussion with my wife and mom I decided to fly down and drive my mom back. So I’m sitting at the airport now. It’s a ghost town. Two people at security. I bet I will have about 10 people tops on my plane. I’ve brought a face mask, hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes. I will wear the mask, wipe stuff down, and not touch anything. When I get to my mom’s I plan on going right to the shower and putting my clothes in the washer.
Not an ideal solution but the best I came up with. At least it’s a direct flight and if it’s not real crowded I can get social distancing. It’s only a two and a half hour flight.
Anyway when I left my wife was completely bawling. She doesn’t want me or my mom to get the virus. My mom is 70 so she is in the at risk group. I’m in my 40s and could better recover but the whole context for me is that my dad just died of a terrible lung disease. There’s no studies yet on what this virus will do if someone recovers and the long term effects on the lungs. So my wife doesn’t want me to end up going out like my dad just did someday (and frankly neither do I).
So I would appreciate it if everyone here would keep sending me positive vibes and prayers to get me through these next few days. I’m sure my dad will be looking over me too....
Take a look at what Sweden is doing right now, let's see how their numbers look going forward. It might be us in 4-6 weeks.The math is overwhelming. Almost nobody has been infected so far — so what will be different in a few months? Anytime we relax the “rules” we will face almost exactly what we face today. If that changes - if we have more medical care available, better testing, etc - then cool, I’ll consider re-engaging society. But it will take meaningful change from where we are today.
Condolences, skillz. Travel safely.Quick update.
After a lot of deliberation and discussion with my wife and mom I decided to fly down and drive my mom back. So I’m sitting at the airport now. It’s a ghost town. Two people at security. I bet I will have about 10 people tops on my plane. I’ve brought a face mask, hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes. I will wear the mask, wipe stuff down, and not touch anything. When I get to my mom’s I plan on going right to the shower and putting my clothes in the washer.
Not an ideal solution but the best I came up with. At least it’s a direct flight and if it’s not real crowded I can get social distancing. It’s only a two and a half hour flight.
Anyway when I left my wife was completely bawling. She doesn’t want me or my mom to get the virus. My mom is 70 so she is in the at risk group. I’m in my 40s and could better recover but the whole context for me is that my dad just died of a terrible lung disease. There’s no studies yet on what this virus will do if someone recovers and the long term effects on the lungs. So my wife doesn’t want me to end up going out like my dad just did someday (and frankly neither do I).
So I would appreciate it if everyone here would keep sending me positive vibes and prayers to get me through these next few days. I’m sure my dad will be looking over me too....