Politicians and scientists are going to have their work cut for them to get people to believe it is safe. I’m not sure how well they will do.For the purposes of this pole assume that the vaccine is free and that there are no major side effects.
exactly. vaccines take time. if there’s a perception they rushed it, it could be bad.Politicians and scientists are going to have their work cut for them to get people to believe it is safe. I’m not sure how well they will do.
Depending on your profession, it is pretty common. Of course, you can refuse if you have religious or medical reasons for doing so.I'm pretty sure that it will be a requirement for employment for me. Like the flu shot. Is this common?
I believe in in vaccines, and get the flu shot every year.exactly. vaccines take time. if there’s a perception they rushed it, it could be bad.
This is so wrong on so many levelsI voted 70%. Unfortunately that's not enough as it's likely the vaccine won't be 100% effective and we need that total to be 70 or so to convey herd immunity.
Sadly there is a percentage of the population that are completely off the rails on vaccines. What I think of anti-vaxxers would get me the boot from here for a while if properly expressed. Not getting one is, at the least, a pointed disregard for your fellow man.
As a Clemson graduate it doesn't surprise me in the least this comes from a GT guy.This is so wrong on so many levels
It is? Care to explain your thinking here?This is so wrong on so many levels
Sure. I've witnessed first hand a vaccine destroying a body (both an adult and a child) for years. No one should suffer through that because of some dramatic "disregard for your fellow man" nonsense. For any doctor that you can find that blindly supports all vaccines I can find doctors that are against them too so spare me that line. We've done that here over the years already.timschochet said:It is? Care to explain your thinking here?
What vaccine did you witness destroying a body? And which current vaccines are you against?Sure. I've witnessed first hand a vaccine destroying a body (both an adult and a child) for years. No one should suffer through that because of some dramatic "disregard for your fellow man" nonsense. For any doctor that you can find that blindly supports all vaccines I can find doctors that are against them too so spare me that line. We've done that here over the years already.
You guys can rant on and on about "anti-vaxxers" and whatever other cute phrase you want to come up with that is completely ineffective in changing anyone's opinion on the subject. But regardless of how you feel the damn government shouldn't be forcing anyone to inject anything into their body. Period.
It's different for every infection but typically you are looking at greater than 80% to be truly beneficial...Does anyone know what % of people we need to get the vaccine in order to essentially beat the virus or if 25% of the population refuses, are we just going to have to be the only country on Earth that forever has to deal with COVID?
No one knows yet. We don't know yet if you can be infected more than once. We don't know yet how often people will need to get a vaccine (e.g. once a year, once every five years, once ever).Does anyone know what % of people we need to get the vaccine in order to essentially beat the virus or if 25% of the population refuses, are we just going to have to be the only country on Earth that forever has to deal with COVID?
I just meant vaccines in general. I know we don't know specifically about COVID or a COVID vaccine.No one knows yet. We don't know yet if you can be infected more than once. We don't know yet how often people will need to get a vaccine (e.g. once a year, once every five years, once ever).
You're right, you should have the right not to take it. But, like the first amendment (the right to free speech isn't the right to no consequences) I hope you understand what position you're likely placing yourself in. Public transport (planes, trains, ships) will be forever closed to you. You will likely be unemployable as most places will require a vax. No concerts or sporting events for you. The list goes on. Those who end up not getting this vaccine will end up in an official pariah caste in first world countries.You guys can rant on and on about "anti-vaxxers" and whatever other cute phrase you want to come up with that is completely ineffective in changing anyone's opinion on the subject. But regardless of how you feel the damn government shouldn't be forcing anyone to inject anything into their body. Period.
If everyone else is vaccinated, why would they be concerned about being around someone who is infected?You're right, you should have the right not to take it. But, like the first amendment (the right to free speech isn't the right to no consequences) I hope you understand what position you're likely placing yourself in. Public transport (planes, trains, ships) will be forever closed to you. You will likely be unemployable as most places will require a vax. No concerts or sporting events for you. The list goes on. Those who end up not getting this vaccine will end up in an official pariah caste in first world countries.
Big assumption thereIf/when a Covid vaccine is finally made what percentage of people in the USA do you think will decide to get vaccinated?
For the purposes of this pole assume that the vaccine is free and that there are no major side effects.
Tragedy of the commons prime example. If 1% decline, that's fine. If 15% decline that's a pretty big problem as with a less than 100% effective vaccine that puts the whole under the threshold.If everyone else is vaccinated, why would they be concerned about being around someone who is infected?
I think we can all agree that a vaccine won't have a 1% mortality rate, so we have that going for us.HA HA HA...What I said earlier is appearing to be far more true than I originally believed.
no way everyone on this board will agree with that.I think we can all agree that a vaccine won't have a 1% mortality rate, so we have that going for us.
You don't understand vaccines, viral load and herd immunityIf everyone else is vaccinated, why would they be concerned about being around someone who is infected?
That's why I asked a question about it.You don't understand vaccines, viral load and herd immunity
I prefer “plague enthusiasts”.You guys can rant on and on about "anti-vaxxers" and whatever other cute phrase you want to come up with
Lol. Never been required to show proof for a job or to use public places before. Great guess I don’t have to pay taxes if you think you have the right to revoke my use of public places. Geez some of you guys would love China!You're right, you should have the right not to take it. But, like the first amendment (the right to free speech isn't the right to no consequences) I hope you understand what position you're likely placing yourself in. Public transport (planes, trains, ships) will be forever closed to you. You will likely be unemployable as most places will require a vax. No concerts or sporting events for you. The list goes on. Those who end up not getting this vaccine will end up in an official pariah caste in first world countries.
Is that what you guys use up in Canada? How did that move go four years ago?I prefer “plague enthusiasts”.
Lol...watIs that what you guys use up in Canada? How did that move go four years ago?
Just because such a thing hasn't happened before is not a guarantee that it won't happen in the future. Consider, say, Metro North or Long Island Rail Road, which are private commuter train lines in the NYC area. They could certainly implement such policies around COVID vaccines. Will they? Got me, but I can certainly see something like that happening. We already have mandatory vaccines for schools in certain places.Lol. Never been required to show proof for a job or to use public places before. Great guess I don’t have to pay taxes if you think you have the right to revoke my use of public places. Geez some of you guys would love China!You're right, you should have the right not to take it. But, like the first amendment (the right to free speech isn't the right to no consequences) I hope you understand what position you're likely placing yourself in. Public transport (planes, trains, ships) will be forever closed to you. You will likely be unemployable as most places will require a vax. No concerts or sporting events for you. The list goes on. Those who end up not getting this vaccine will end up in an official pariah caste in first world countries.
AwfulJust because such a thing hasn't happened before is not a guarantee that it won't happen in the future. Consider, say, Metro North or Long Island Rail Road, which are private commuter train lines in the NYC area. They could certainly implement such policies around COVID vaccines. Will they? Got me, but I can certainly see something like that happening. We already have mandatory vaccines for schools in certain places.
Oh you didn't follow through on your move to Canada?Lol...wat
You may disagree that public schools should be allowed to enact such policies. However, it is a fact that such policies exist. Therefore, I don't think it's a stretch to argue that such policies relative to a COVID vaccine could also be enacted, both in public and private settings. Do you disagree that it could happen?AwfulJust because such a thing hasn't happened before is not a guarantee that it won't happen in the future. Consider, say, Metro North or Long Island Rail Road, which are private commuter train lines in the NYC area. They could certainly implement such policies around COVID vaccines. Will they? Got me, but I can certainly see something like that happening. We already have mandatory vaccines for schools in certain places.
When was I supposed to move to Canada?Oh you didn't follow through on your move to Canada?
This pandemic has fundamentally changed some things. I didn't say I approved of such measures, but I anticipate them being put into place. There will be a lot of public discourse on that subject, but initially I expect some pretty stringent requirements as the populace will demand safety.Lol. Never been required to show proof for a job or to use public places before. Great guess I don’t have to pay taxes if you think you have the right to revoke my use of public places. Geez some of you guys would love China!
I don't think the government should force anyone to take a drug.You may disagree that public schools should be allowed to enact such policies. However, it is a fact that such policies exist. Therefore, I don't think it's a stretch to argue that such policies relative to a COVID vaccine could also be enacted, both in public and private settings. Do you disagree that it could happen?
Separately, regardless of how you feel about public schools and vaccine requirements, would you agree or disagree that private schools should be allowed to create such policies?
Some of those will also infect and kill our most vulnerable immuno-suppressed and elderly populations, as well.Actually, upon some reflection I think this problem will take care of itself over time. Some people will refuse to take it at first, and some of those people will get sick, and some of them will die.
If the vaccine causes harm to people then how the hell is it promoting safety? No schtick here I'll take my chances with Covid over side effects of a vaccine, especially one that was rushed to market. If you want the vaccine when it's available have at it.This pandemic has fundamentally changed some things. I didn't say I approved of such measures, but I anticipate them being put into place. There will be a lot of public discourse on that subject, but initially I expect some pretty stringent requirements as the populace will demand safety.