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🐘 🐴 2020 Presidential Debates thread - 2nd Debate October 15 (2 Viewers)
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
As an Independent....I felt .Trump didn't do a good enough job selling his accomplishments while Joe seemed, even on that stage, more "Presidential". Trump was less about a positive vision for himself and more about a negative vision for BIden....while Biden spoke positively about his future. I also REALLY didn't like Trumps "Red State/Blue State" narrative....while Joe really hit home in regards to him being a President of ALL the states.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I still can't get over Trumps "POSSIBLY Lincoln" comment. The arrogance is a big turn off.
shader
Footballguy
If this was how he acted all the time, a lot of things would be different. But the man will probably wake up tomorrow, tweet 500 times and say something that will enrage half the country.
beef
Footballguy
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Yeah, it was ironic that he kept repeating that Biden was "all talk, no action," when Trump offered no health plan, no pandemic plan, and continued to just promise his taxes.
But I agree with @WDIK2 in that Biden's comments on oil seemed to come from left field and were not a confidence builder. Bad stumble, right at the end ...but a powerful closing statement.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Making fun of stuttering is not cool.NBC talking heads stuttering worse than Joe trying to spin this positive for him.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Hillary was a hated candidate from the get go. Biden is not perfect but I don't think anyone but party hacks really believes he is corrupt or believes he doesn't care about people. I would hope that would make a difference.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Much better - I’m curious if the threat of the mic being cut had anything to do with it or if both groups decided it was in their best interest.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
So.....if he lied and bullied all the time.....it would be different?
The first half of the debate he was calm. Mostly respectful. He lied non-stop, but his demeanor was better. The 2nd half has been a debacle.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
There really wasn’t a threat of getting cut off. Each first response to a question got 2 minutes for each candidate with only one microphone on. Each topic was supposed to be 15 minutes. So both microphones were on for 11 minutes and they could have spoken at the same time if they wanted.
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Not really. Stuff was pretty good before the Covid came over from China. You cant argue Joe had 47 years, 8 of which as VP, not getting any of the plans he talked about done. Why would anyone give him 3 or 4 more years?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Trump has had 4 years as President. He’s built what, 6 feet of the wall? How big will that new section of wall be by 2024 at this rate?
I look at this as a new data point.
How you feel now vs how you felt before the debate.
As a Biden supporter, I feel a little worse.
if I were a Trump supporter, I’d feel a LOT better.
How you feel now vs how you felt before the debate.
As a Biden supporter, I feel a little worse.
if I were a Trump supporter, I’d feel a LOT better.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Trump repeating that the coronavirus is going away is just so head-bangingly awful. He still can't acknowledge what's going on.
That alone should disqualify him from leading the country. It's either a complete lack of awareness or willful disregard for American citizens. Neither is acceptable.
That alone should disqualify him from leading the country. It's either a complete lack of awareness or willful disregard for American citizens. Neither is acceptable.
MAC_32
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
I don't understand this.
Biden is favored. He needed to not perform poorly. He succeeded in that.
Really nothing tonight that should move the needle at all.
McBokonon
Footballguy
Because Trump acted slightly less like a toddler and somehow that’s going to convince the fence-sitters who don’t exist
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Yeah, the problem for Trump is he doesn’t have enough undecideds to sway. And that assumes he swayed more than Biden tonight.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Well I guess Trump could have been a complete disaster like last debate. Guess if you compare debates this one went much better for Trump but I don't think Biden was bad and held his own. Trump needed a slam dunk and I don't think he got it. I feel about the same before and after this debate.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Well, I felt better about Biden’s chances after the first debate because Trump was so bad. I’m guessing it’s Trump being normal bad that worries folks the undecideds will break Trump.
if the perception is that all he has to do is not set his necktie on fire and he manages not to....
McBokonon
Footballguy
Incidentally, like always when he somehow finds strong enough sedatives to not go completely nuts for an hour or two, he’ll make everyone forget it within 24-36 hours by reverting back to his baseline and saying/tweeting/doing insane things again. That’s the cycle.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
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Widbil83
Footballguy
President Trump already has the Biden fracking lie video up.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1319466667676749824?s=21
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1319466667676749824?s=21
Anarchy99
Footballguy
All that matters is people that haven’t made up their minds and how it impacted them. Trump fans will say he killed it. Biden supporters will say he was strong. It’s pretty unlikely this debate will get people to switch sides. There aren’t a lot of undecideds, and Trump needs all of them. Not sure the split of undecideds will be far from right down the middle. So in that regard Biden won. I doubt the debate will net many votes.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Biden didn’t take one penny but he may have received a yuan.
beef
Footballguy
Tonight's debate is like this for me... I judge trump like I do my 7 year old when I review her elementary math work. Basic, simple, nothing hard, and give her a congrats for not messing up 9 - 3. Biden, is more like my 11 year old, and I push more more details, explanations or formulas. Based on these criteria, trump gets the nudge.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Oil industry comment was the only gaffe I saw from Biden, which indeed won’t play well in the oil states, which are all voting Trump regardless. The real problem with the comment is it’s going to haunt him every time national energy policy gets discussed.
jerseydevil20
Footballguy
President Trump was masterful when he got Biden to go off script ending oil. Combine that with the fracking outright lie and there’s a real issue here for voters in PA, TX, OK, OH, West Va, etc. Great job Mr. President!
gianmarco
Footballguy
caustic
Footballguy
Charlotte Swasey @charlotteeffect
Preliminary results from the @DataProgress snap debate poll: A majority of voters who watched the debate say Biden won (52% Biden, 41% Trump, 7% undecided) and moderates in particular think Biden won by a 2:1 margin
10:27 PM · Oct 22, 2020
Data for Progress does some of the best post-debate polls. While networks’ post-debate snap polls often skew heavily towards college grads, DFP re-weights the sample to resemble the actual electorate.
Overall, the topline result (52-41) is pretty much identical to the national polling average right now. People’s heels are dug in.
Preliminary results from the @DataProgress snap debate poll: A majority of voters who watched the debate say Biden won (52% Biden, 41% Trump, 7% undecided) and moderates in particular think Biden won by a 2:1 margin
10:27 PM · Oct 22, 2020
Data for Progress does some of the best post-debate polls. While networks’ post-debate snap polls often skew heavily towards college grads, DFP re-weights the sample to resemble the actual electorate.
Overall, the topline result (52-41) is pretty much identical to the national polling average right now. People’s heels are dug in.
beef
Footballguy
This makes perfect sense if you judge the candidates from different levels. trump didn't act like a 5 year old. huge win. Biden didn't give enough details about his plans or explain them thoroughly enough, downtick...
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Plenty of people in here said Biden was wrong for that and came off poorly in debate 1.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Well, except for those that live near the refineries, making a lot of money! while they deal with illness and death from the pollutants. And except for minorities, where families still must have "the talk," but only heard how wonderful the president has been for them. (Lots of money for the HBCU, if they live long enough to make it there.) And except for the 22,000 first responders who are DACA (fact check?). And except for the suburban housewives that, like Biden, emphasize with the 500 kids left alone without their parents.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Like I said, IMO Trump's inability to address people and the way that he comes off that "hey, stocks are at an all time high" hurts with people deciding between the two. He did much better tonight and had some good points, but he just can't shake that aspect of himself.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I was pleasantly surprised about his candid answer about why his administration didn't get more done. Of course Republicans in congress obstructing everything was the problem. I didn't think he'd go there and am glad he did.
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