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👨🏻🦳👩🏾 2020 Vice Presidential Debate - October 7 - 9:00PM ET (1 Viewer)
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I didn't say who was doing the complaining.
I didn't count them myself to see who was worse, but no she didn't stop talking. Read the transcript.
I often point to that as the turning point of that election. Coming off kitty cat gate he won that third and final debate. That single act alone may have put him over the top. It was masterful.
Ramblin Wreck
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Hate? Just pointing out she's made a career of putting people in jail and is now going to run on releasing people? Her record speaks louder than her fake promises
IvanKaramazov
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13 pages devoted to an event that is best known for a rogue fly and that everybody will have forgotten about by this time tomorrow.
Anarchy99
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IIRC, Pence kept running over his allotted time (by a lot), so Harris was allocated more time to answer her questions to keep the total time even. A couple of times her answers went over by a few seconds. Pence also was then given less time to respond to make up for consistently running long on his answers (or interrupting). I believe the total time each was allowed to speak was within 3 seconds of each other.
gianmarco
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massraider
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"Pence really hit home when he said_______"
Said no one.
Said no one.
Let's compare apples to apples? 538 had Clinton at 5.6 points on Oct 8th, 2016. Currently they have it 8.0 points for Biden. Chance of winning in 2016, 82% to 18%. Now in 2020, 85% to 15%.
Pretty sure that behavior was more soundly admonished by women than this recent mansplaining.
Yes but her lead fell just a week before the election to just a 538 prediction of 3.6%
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/final-election-update-theres-a-wide-range-of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/
Which is meaningless since we don't have crystal balls (this years numbers yet to compare).
Kamala's positions have evolved, much like Lincoln was once in favor of sending emancipated slaves back to Africa, and Obama was not in favor of same-sex marriage. And she did introduced some important reforms. Almost no progressive believes the Trump administration would be better for criminal justice reform, which is ironic given that the First Step Act is his biggest legislative accomplishment.
squistion
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Sen. Kamala Harris helped Democrats raise $15 million in just over 12 hours after the start of the vice presidential debate.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/10/08/kamala-harris-debate-performance-helps-raise-15-million-for-democrats/#7a532064d8f3
bagger
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Which was interesting as Pence came off as the one constantly interrupting and rudely going over the allotted time running roughshod over the moderator.Anarchy99 said:
They ended up getting a fair amount of time but people come away with Pence hogged the time given his style. I think the moderator must have balanced it but my wife who voted third party in 2016 found Pence to be extremely condescending to the two women.
Not a good look.
can you imagine how long that 2 minutes and 3 seconds was for his team watching, and watching and watching.... guess they should have given him a secret earpiece.gianmarco said:
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[scooter]
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You're not exactly contradicting @lazyike here.tonydead said:
On 10/8/2016, Clinton had a lead in national polls of 5.6 points, with Gary Johnson at 6.7%. On Election Day, Trump had reduced the lead to 3.6 points -- which was right around the margin of error for most polls. Meanwhile, Gary Johnson was still at 5%.
In the final tally, Hillary won the popular vote with a 2.1% margin, with Johnson getting 3.3% of the vote.
In other words, Trump's "formula" for victory involves an October deficit of ~6 points, with ~8% of voters either undecided or going for a 3rd party.
Now look at 2020. Biden is at +8.0, but Jorgensen isn't close to getting 5% (she's not even being tracked by 538, but other trackers have her at around 2%).
So, if you were to project a similar "comeback" for Trump in 2020, he'll fall way short of what happened in 2016. Basically, he's looking at a national poll deficit of -4.5 points on election day, and that's assuming that Bill Barr is able to duplicate what Comey did in 2016. And I'm not aware of any respected political analysts who think that a candidate has a feasible chance at an Electoral victory when A) they trail by 4.5 points in the national polls, and B) there's a reduced support for 3rd party candidates.
Anyway, the point is: if you really want to make an "apples to apples" comparison, then you need to include other "apples" in the equation.
AAABatteries
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Sammy3469
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Anarchy99
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Trump camp suggests moving in person debate from 10/15 to 10/29, making the 10/22 debate the second debate. Biden camp says he will make himself available on 10/15 and 10/22 as agreed upon. As of now, Trump says he won't do a virtual debate on 10/15 while Biden says he won't do anything at all on 10/29 and that he would be happy to debate the president again on 10/22 if he decides he would like to participate.
massraider
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squistion said:
Sen. Kamala Harris helped Democrats raise $15 million in just over 12 hours after the start of the vice presidential debate.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/10/08/kamala-harris-debate-performance-helps-raise-15-million-for-democrats/#7a532064d8f3
Smack Tripper
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They are the party of riots.Doesn't get much farther left in the current american climatecap'n grunge said:
AAABatteries
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I wasn't a huge Pete fan but liked him a lot and wanted him over Biden. I think he would have destroyed Trump in debates and I also think he would have lost.
tri-man 47
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No, I thought he hit home with fracking, packing, and the various anecdotes. I don't know why Kamala couldn't articulate with fracking that the focus is on renewable energies, which over time might impact fracking, "but we have to see how technologies continue to develop" or some such caveat. Ballsy move by Pence to hit Harris with the packing question, I thought. And it's hard to argue back against anecdotes without seeming to be defensive.massraider said:
That said, his complete avoidance of 3 or 4 questions was telling, and his run-on responses were irritating. Also, too many times his default defense was along the lines of "Donald Trump cares for each and every American citizen," which is of course laughable.
I feel he held his own quite well - better than I expected - but he didn't come out of it with a net gain of positives over negatives, and that ticket badly needs something big to change the course of this election. I don't expect they'll get it, as Trump surprisingly keeps finding new ways to make things worse.
squistion
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bucksoh
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You forgot to mention black people in jail which her records show if you're black you were 3x more likely to go-to jail than other races.Ramblin Wreck said:The irrational interruption stuff (everyone interrupts in every single debate) and fly talk just proves Kamala has absolutely nothing on the issues. Literallyat her saying she's going to get people out of jail. She's spent half her life putting people in jail in California.
Talk to some women or POC who watched the debate and then reassess. Or go to 538 and see that Harris likely improved her favorability rating. The 2 may be connected. I'd call it tie, which is a win for the Biden team.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/harris-pence-vp-debate-poll/
squistion
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Actually Democrats don't think that. It was something to joke about but no one thinks that influenced one opinion about who won the debate.
bucksoh
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All I work with is women and they hated Harris Demeanor. How bout stop watching the media which like Harris and Biden constantly lie, to the American people.
And what did they think about Trump's demeanor and uninhibited behavior during the debate?
Ramblin Wreck
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bucksoh
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tri-man 47
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Fixed! The debate was a stark reminder of what this man has been like throughout his life.
Chaz McNulty
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That's not being good. There are a ton of awful names that are associated with each party. We should try to keep it above board.
yak651
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The party of pathetic behavior, but it's expected, so lets vote for 4 more years of it!
T J
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Seriously? Nothing wrong with that take. You may disagree but it’s a pretty tame statement as far as statements go.
Chaz McNulty
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bucksoh
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You do realize the Democrats are the ones bailing out the rioters and looters. Also Biden was worse.
Chaz McNulty
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The hypocrisy is incredible. I would think a Trump supporter would choose something besides truth to disparage the opposition.
bucksoh
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skol asylum
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And the Republicans are the party of right wing militias who attempt to kidnap Governors.
Neither are party sponsored or approved.
Smack Tripper
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What about the antifa guys reaching across the aisle for this?
Kamala has pushed for civil unrest, and biden's a puppet at this point, I doubt a vital joe biden would support it but we are now subject to the beliefs of his handlers
skol asylum
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skol asylum
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Also, only in Trump's America could the term anti-Fascist be warped into a bad thing.
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