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NFL and Covid Issues - Initially Asked in Shark Pool To Keep it 100% NFL (2 Viewers)
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
I agree with this which is why the NFL "plan" seemed pretty flawed in the first place when compared to the NBA/NHL.
Try this. Squeeze all the toothpaste out of the tube. Try putting all that toothpaste back in the tube. "Keeping the toothpaste IN the tube should have been the priority."
gruecd
Footballguy
I was at the NFC Championship Game in January 2008. It happens. Shark move is to smuggle in little plastic bottles of booze to dump in your hot chocolate instead.
jabarony
Footballguy
Your league, my local league, and countless others can set and stick to rules. It's disappointing that FFPC can not. Or really, doesn't want to for whatever reason. I'd even be ok with a change at the start of next week with ample warning. A Saturday rule change is crap.
What if Matt Ryan comes down with covid Monday morning, will they extend the same bail out to his owners Monday afternoon?
BoltBacker
Footballguy
.... or if his parents get in a car wreck and he unexpectedly doesn't play? IMO that was harder to see coming than the possibility that a player might test positive for Covid this season. Why on earth would a Covid test result in a "dog ate my homework" get-out-of-jail-free card?
If they started letting teams add players the FBG subscriber contest this week I would never play the contest again. IMO that was part of the strategy going into it.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
If nothing changes in the NFL from where they are now, I think you are already seeing more than just an interruption to the season.
That's why it was so premature for the all the high-fives regarding the NFL beating covid.... before the all the NFL teams had actually played road games. Exact same thing happened in baseball.
You won't see many of those posts though, because as soon as a player tested positive for Covid the "How many games with the NFL get in?" thread mysteriously was deemed as inconsequential and shut down.
spodog
Footballguy
themeistersinger
Footballguy
One thing I would like to see is that anybody that tests positive and causes a game to be rescheduled should not be able to play in the rescheduled game. If you're the idiot that caused all these problems then you should be forced to sit out the rescheduled game.
I do think the NFL will make an attempt to get creative with how they proceed with the season. It could be a month delay. It could be a shortened season with a bubble playoffs. They expected the infections. I would also expect them to learn and adapt as the season progresses.
I'd like to find out how these guys contracted the virus. We saw the Raider players at a charity. I would think anything like this would be off limits and subject to a big fine or suspension. If everybody is careful along with the testing this can work. Obviously this is not gonna happen so there will be infections.
Many people in the general population are contracting the virus from family members. Some have kids who are going to in-person school. How would you determine how someone got the virus?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
2 Games, c'mon now man, hold it together will you?
I'm kidding, I'm right there with you but let's also lighten it up just a smidge, at least we are just trying to figure a way to be creative so we can continue to have fun/gamble/tryToEscape from reality a little bit. It's all entertainment and it's beating the heck out of movie theaters at the moment.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Not only that but when you are dealing with a test where there can be as high as 37% false negatives you can't rule out that a teammate that originally gave the virus to the rest of the team might be the third or thirteenth player on the team to actually come back with a positive test.
To be perfectly clear 20 somethings are going to act like 20 somethings. If anyone was pretending that the size of these rosters and coaching staffs wasn't going to play a huge part in compliance were absolutely kidding themselves from the jump. It's not on the players to devise and setup a bubble(or more likely bubbles) for the league to isolate and operate in. That's why the owners get more than half the profits to set all this up so that we can watch the players do what they do best. If you didn't have at least a streak of invulnerability in you then you probably never would have made the NFL in the first place.
The people I feel bad for are so many of the coaches that seem to be in high vulnerability groups. I'm sure they would have loved to have the NFL pony up the money for bubbles and an adjusted schedule. Those are the guys that have a higher risk of losing their lives over all this. Although we really don't know the long term respiration impact of Covid on a young athlete yet either. It seems like different people are impacted differently months after contracting it.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I know you mean well and you probably didn't think thru this a lot but if you lived where I do in South Florida you would find this statement pretty offensive.
You can catch this rather easily from minors and younger folks, people who do mask up are sometimes subject to ridicule, where exactly do we point the finger?
These players are traveling and certainly not in any secure bubble, are you sure you can pin it on 1 player for each team?
According to Shefter all other (than Newton ) patriots test came up negative on Saturday. https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1312576790204997632?s=21
As I understand it they will all test tomorrow and also Monday before flying out if it gets that far.
As I understand it they will all test tomorrow and also Monday before flying out if it gets that far.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I don't see how delaying the season 2 weeks would do anything. There would still be some players with positive tests after they start back up.
I mean I thought we were all prepared for this to be how it happens. We all had discussions about COVID positive players being allowed on the IR. We had discussions about Zeke leapfrogging CMC/Saquon in drafts because they were more likely to miss time from COVID since he's already had it, etc. We were anticipating a bunch of players missing time due to COVID, so now that a few have gotten COVID why are we throwing our hands up and saying "that's it, this isn't working, season over!". We expected this.
A bubble would be ideal but it's just not feasible. 32 practice fields, 10 live game fields, 5000+ people all away from their family for 6 months. Not realistic.
I mean I thought we were all prepared for this to be how it happens. We all had discussions about COVID positive players being allowed on the IR. We had discussions about Zeke leapfrogging CMC/Saquon in drafts because they were more likely to miss time from COVID since he's already had it, etc. We were anticipating a bunch of players missing time due to COVID, so now that a few have gotten COVID why are we throwing our hands up and saying "that's it, this isn't working, season over!". We expected this.
A bubble would be ideal but it's just not feasible. 32 practice fields, 10 live game fields, 5000+ people all away from their family for 6 months. Not realistic.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
which, update, may not be the case we now know.
Glad I got Zeke though all other things considered. Who knew it wouldn’t be COVID that pushed Zeke ahead of CMC & Saquan though.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
"A bubble" might not be feasible but multiple bubbles would absolutely have been feasible. Even if it mean(gasp) the regular season schedule might have had to change or even shorten.
If it was player opt-in then players are choosing to be away from their families or not.
Totally realistic.
Perhaps a week 4 bye for everyone is in order to figure out what the heck is happening.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Kamara...wait!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I want you to have fun laughing at me...so we start 2 RBs and I went Kamara-Henderson
SAT Gordon
Already bad enough I guessed wrong but now with Kamara possibly OUT tomorrow with the rest of the Saints and perhaps Lions...
Add in Hill likely OUT and I am having fun on the roller coaster this weekend.
Wait until folks wake up in the morning and see this, heck we might see a couple more teams test positive before the games tomorrow, the night is YOUNG!
SAT Gordon
Already bad enough I guessed wrong but now with Kamara possibly OUT tomorrow with the rest of the Saints and perhaps Lions...
Add in Hill likely OUT and I am having fun on the roller coaster this weekend.
Wait until folks wake up in the morning and see this, heck we might see a couple more teams test positive before the games tomorrow, the night is YOUNG!
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
[becauseyouallcare]I want you to have fun laughing at me...so we start 2 RBs and I went Kamara-Henderson
SAT Gordon
Already bad enough I guessed wrong but now with Kamara possibly OUT tomorrow with the rest of the Saints and perhaps Lions...
Add in Hill likely OUT and I am having fun on the roller coaster this weekend.
Wait until folks wake up in the morning and see this, heck we might see a couple more teams test positive before the games tomorrow, the night is YOUNG!
Couple days ago, I had this line-up going into one of my money leagues:
QB P Mahomes
RB A Kamara
RB J Conner
WR J Jones
WR K Golladay
TE T Kelce
FLEX M Davis, Carolina
D Kansas City
K J Myers
Depending on cancellations, that line-up might turn into:
QB N Foles
RB M Gaskin
RB M Davis, Carolina
WR J Jones
WR T McLaurin or K Cole
TE M Alie-Cox
FLEX D Freeman, NY Giants
D Jacksonville
K J Myers
[/becauseyouallcare]
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
When, exactly, did Cam test +?
do we know?
Since we know there’s a 5-day metric, that seems important.
do we know?
Since we know there’s a 5-day metric, that seems important.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
EDIT: Glad I went and checked -- Newton apparently tested positive sometime on Friday:
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the worlds slowest moving train wreck. :(
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
FB Michael Burton tested positive. Kamara and three other players sat near him have been tested, presumably they’ll test everyone eventually.
ETA:
https://twitter.com/chrisburkenfl/status/1312607175165042689?s=21
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Truebluey
Footballguy
Yikes!! Does the NFL REALLY want to play all the games on Sunday? I guess most of them are still OK, but damn, they need to get this under control.
Just goes to show how much community transmission is raging out there. For every positive test (about 50k/day) I bet there are x5 that many not tested.
Just goes to show how much community transmission is raging out there. For every positive test (about 50k/day) I bet there are x5 that many not tested.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Scroll up, Saints landed and someone test positive and in a cabin of recirculated air likely infected othersWut.
Doug B
Footballguy
Supposedly, Gayle Benson sprung for a larger charter jet this year that allows the Saints players to spread out while flying to away games. Guess we'll see.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I thought flying was relatively safe. If you wear a mask. If you wear a mask the entire flight.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
I vote for the opposite. Healthy teams should start playing games every 4 days so they can build up a cushion.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
No schtick -- I'm not aware that a plane's HVAC is a particular problem that exacerbates COVID spread. I always took the disease risk of flying more because of the close quarters and proximity to others.
