2021 Rookie drafts (2 Viewers)

Ilov80s said:

Yeah but they aren't under 26 with 1st round draft capital WR2s

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JohnnyU said:

Tell that to Henry Ruggs and Jalen Reagor owners.  Oh, but they aren’t even WR2 with their 1st round draft capital.

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Ilov80s said:

They aren't WR2s for fantasy 

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JohnnyU said:

...and they don’t seem to be much of WR2 for the NFL yet either 

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Ilov80s said:

Not sure what your point is? There are more WRs who have real value than TEs. I am pretty sure you agree with that concept. 

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1. Trevor Lawrence
   
2. Najee Harris
   
3. Trey Lance*
   
4. Justin Fields
   
5. Kyle Pitts
   
6. Ja'Marr Chase
   
7. Zach Wilson
   
8. Devonta Smith
   
9. Travis Etienne*
   
10. Mac Jones
    
11. Javonte Williams*
    
12. Jaylen Waddle
    

1. Trey Sermon
   
2. Rashod Bateman
   
3. Rondale Moore
   
4. Elijah Moore*
   
5. Terrace Marshall
   
6. Michael Carter
   
7. Kadarius Toney*
   
8. Amon-Ra St. Brown*
   
9. Dyami Brown*
   
10. Pat Freiermuth
    
11. Nico Collins
    
12. Josh Palmer
    

1. Kenneth Gainwell
   
2. Amari Rodgers
   
3. D'Wayne Eskridge
   
4. Rhamondre Stevenson*
   
5. Dez Fitzpatrick
   
6. Kyle Trask
   
7. Ihmir Smith-Marsette
   
8. Kellen Mond
   
9. Davis Mills
   
10. Tre' McKitty
    
11. Javian Hawkins
    
12. Chuba Hubbard
    

1. Tylan Wallace
   
2. Elijah Mitchell
   
3. Seth Williams
   
4. Chris Evans
   
5. Jacob Harris*
   
6. Cornell Powell
   
7. Anthony Schwartz
   
8. Sage Surratt
   
9. Tutu Atwell
   
10. Jaelon Darden
    

Drunken Cowboy said:

1 QB, but 0.5 points per completion.

Half way through:

1.01.   Chase, Ja'Marr CIN WR (R)   
1.02    Harris, Najee PIT RB (R) 
1.03    Pitts, Kyle ATL TE (R) 
1.04    Waddle, Jaylen MIA WR (R)  
1.05    Williams, Javonte DEN RB (R)
1.06    Bateman, Rashod BAL WR (R)
1.07    Lawrence, Trevor JAC QB (R) 
1.08    Smith, DeVonta PHI WR (R) 
1.09.   Sermon, Trey SFO RB (R) 
1.10    Etienne, Travis JAC RB (R)
1.11    Lance, Trey SFO QB (R) 
1.12    Marshall, Terrace CAR WR (R) 
2.01    Moore, Elijah NYJ WR (R)
2.02    Carter, Michael NYJ RB (R)  
2.03    Moore, Rondale ARI WR (R)
2.04    Rodgers, Amari GBP WR (R)  
2.05    Gainwell, Kenneth PHI RB (R)  
2.06    Fields, Justin CHI QB (R) 
2.07    Wilson, Zach NYJ QB (R)    

I am at 12. I am trying to grab a couple extra late first, early 3rd picks. A few nice prospects left.

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Edgar said:

I’m high on Elijah Moore myself. 34th overall feels like significantly more draft capital than Marshall 59th overall. Good opportunity too

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-OZ- said:

It's entirely possible Chase busts.  If he disappoints big his first year he'll keep value, and I'm not sure the ruggs or reagor examples really play out with him. Neither were even in consideration for the FF top overall rookie pick.  

But let's assume both chase and Pitts perform very poorly.  Chase will probably retain more value. If both are startable their first two years but not elite, I think they both retain ok value but not 1.01 level. 

The problem with forecasting Pitts dynasty value is there has never been a TE with quite his hype. I don't think that falls off a cliff within two years (assuming no long term injury or other issues). Most of us know TE usually takes longer to become elite than WR. Of course there may be the FF owner who isn't patient, but I'd rather not bank on that.

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Drunken Cowboy said:

1 QB, but 0.5 points per completion.

Half way through:

1.01.   Chase, Ja'Marr CIN WR (R)   
1.02    Harris, Najee PIT RB (R) 
1.03    Pitts, Kyle ATL TE (R) 
1.04    Waddle, Jaylen MIA WR (R)  
1.05    Williams, Javonte DEN RB (R)
1.06    Bateman, Rashod BAL WR (R)
1.07    Lawrence, Trevor JAC QB (R) 
1.08    Smith, DeVonta PHI WR (R) 
1.09.   Sermon, Trey SFO RB (R) 
1.10    Etienne, Travis JAC RB (R)
1.11    Lance, Trey SFO QB (R) 
1.12    Marshall, Terrace CAR WR (R) 
2.01    Moore, Elijah NYJ WR (R)
2.02    Carter, Michael NYJ RB (R)  
2.03    Moore, Rondale ARI WR (R)
2.04    Rodgers, Amari GBP WR (R)  
2.05    Gainwell, Kenneth PHI RB (R)  
2.06    Fields, Justin CHI QB (R) 
2.07    Wilson, Zach NYJ QB (R)    

I am at 12. I am trying to grab a couple extra late first, early 3rd picks. A few nice prospects left.

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socrates said:

Travis Etienne at 1.10 represents quite a tumble in value, as does DeVonta Smith at 1.08.  

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Ilov80s said:

That is just ridiculous. 

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oukurt said:

Yep. Most definitely should be on radars at the first turn of your draft.  I wasn’t as familiar with him as I should have been, but I spent yesterday doing some homework. You can trust the draft capital as mentioned and a landing spot that’s sweeter than Yoohoo. Moore can play in the X or the Z comfortably.

Check out some video, I was sold. I believe he will be leaving his tougher competition for targets and catches behind at Ole Miss. Crowder is not a hindrance, he is not the direction they want to go. You think Mims or Berrios will be more relevant? Not a chance. He will be Zach Wilson’s go to guy.
You will not find a safer pick to make at Turn 1.
Pass on K Toney who has limitations, not much of a route runner, not a burner, more of a project especially with Shepard around. Dial this guy up.

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Ilov80s said:

That is just ridiculous. 

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Drunken Cowboy said:

Moore should be good, but I think his upside is limited by his size. Drafting at the end of the round should mean you are loaded. My team is. I went for Marshall's upside. 

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oukurt said:

I always like getting different opinions. Can you be more specific when you state “upside limited by size” ?

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TVT 0 N S T A said:

He is small and will be difficult to get off press coverage with NFL db's.  I do like Elijah Moore and don't necessarily shy away due to his size but Terrace Marshall has a better body type for the league.  Rashod Bateman isn't going 6th in my league like the mocked version here.

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TVT 0 N S T A said:

He is small and will be difficult to get off press coverage with NFL db's.  I do like Elijah Moore and don't necessarily shy away due to his size but Terrace Marshall has a better body type for the league.  Rashod Bateman isn't going 6th in my league like the mocked version here.

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acarey50 said:

League is set so that only franchise owners can see anything

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Drunken Cowboy said:

Moore should be good, but I think his upside is limited by his size. Drafting at the end of the round should mean you are loaded. My team is. I went for Marshall's upside. 

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TVT 0 N S T A said:

He is small and will be difficult to get off press coverage with NFL db's.  I do like Elijah Moore and don't necessarily shy away due to his size but Terrace Marshall has a better body type for the league.  Rashod Bateman isn't going 6th in my league like the mocked version here.

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oukurt said:

I always like getting different opinions. Can you be more specific when you state “upside limited by size” ?

Im drafting in two different 1 QB leagues. Both orphans midway through rebuilds. .5 PPR and 1PPR.

Lg 1.      1.3, 2.3, 3.3, 4.3  Needs: RB, TE, WR

Lg 2.      1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5  Needs RB, BPA

Trying to decide between Pitts and ETN in Lg 1

Taking whoever falls to me at 1.5 in the other. 
 

I would be happy with either Moore, Marshall, or Carter after the turn in both drafts. Hoping to avoid Sermon. I think that will continue to be committee nightmare in SFO.

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jm192 said:

I'm curious about Gainwell.  Seems he keeps going around 2.04-2.05 in a lot of these.  I think in that range (16-17) in 12 teamers, I'd want all of the QB's and a number of WR's over him.  

I think he may steal SOME pass catching downs, but I don't see Gainwell being a big time fantasy contributer. 

I'd rather have Toney, St. Brown, Rogers, Collins and maybe Dyami Brown.  

Am I thinking about this wrong?  Do people have higher expectations for Gainwell?  Sure there's always a chance Sanders busts and Gainwell gets more work.  But they've got other backs there.  I don't see him as having a ton of fantasy upside and think a lot of the WR's in that area are more likely to be an asset.

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Ilov80s said:

I agree that Marshall has more upside as Elijah is more of a slot WR. I see Elijah's ceiling as a super charged Jarvis Landry/Julian Edelman. That is plenty valuable for fantasy. My one worry is I feel like Mims and Davis are more of the WR that Wilson likes. He loves to chuck the ball down field to let WRs make plays on the ball. 

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jm192 said:

I'm curious about Gainwell.  Seems he keeps going around 2.04-2.05 in a lot of these.  I think in that range (16-17) in 12 teamers, I'd want all of the QB's and a number of WR's over him.  

I think he may steal SOME pass catching downs, but I don't see Gainwell being a big time fantasy contributer. 

I'd rather have Toney, St. Brown, Rogers, Collins and maybe Dyami Brown.  

Am I thinking about this wrong?  Do people have higher expectations for Gainwell?  Sure there's always a chance Sanders busts and Gainwell gets more work.  But they've got other backs there.  I don't see him as having a ton of fantasy upside and think a lot of the WR's in that area are more likely to be an asset.

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jtd13 said:

I like Moore a lot, but I don't love the landing spot. The slot guys that really kill it in fantasy usually still play in 2WR sets out wide, and I feel like Moore's going to be blocked there with 2 athletic big WRs on the outside. 

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jtd13 said:

I like Moore a lot, but I don't love the landing spot. The slot guys that really kill it in fantasy usually still play in 2WR sets out wide, and I feel like Moore's going to be blocked there with 2 athletic big WRs on the outside. 

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ffmail4me said:

I'm in the middle of a 12 team PPR best ball SF dynasty rookie draft. Here are the result so far:

1.1 Lawrence

1.2 Harris

1.3 Fields

1.4 Chase

1.5 Lance 

1.6 Pitts

1.7 Etienne 

1.8 Wilson

1.9 Jones

1.10 Javonte Williams

1.11 DeVonta Smith

1.12 Waddle

2.1 E. Moore

2.2 Bateman (my pick) 

2.3 OTC 

Man I REALLY struggled with taking Bateman. Loved him until Lamar was his QB. I hope this turns out like AJB a few years ago,  I remember many were down on him after going to Tennessee.  

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oukurt said:

From all I have read and heard on podcasts is that he is a priority and that he is versatile enough to play where he is most effective. He will be lined up all over the formation. 25% of his snaps last year were at out wide.

KC has proven wideouts come in all shapes and sizes. He can’t be labeled strictly as a slot WR.
Draft capital says a lot here. Jets did not draft EM at 34 to play second fiddle behind Crowder and Mims, the latter who was drafted at 59 last year. Crowder is a cut candidate after this year and does not fit into their future plans. Jets want to get younger. People will say Mims is WR1 and more of a factor. while Moore will be nothing more than a WR2.  I hope this thinking continues as I will be looking to draft him late 1st rd. in a start 1 QB dynasty.

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jtd13 said:

I certainly don't think he can't play outside the slot, and I'm generally higher on smaller WRs than consensus. I just am not as optimistic he's going to get a high snap share unless the jets run 3-wide more than expected. Guys shaped like Davis and Mims give a lot of benefits to the offense outside of just receiving, such as being better run blockers. That gives them an inherent edge being the guys in 2wr sets. 

I think it's really likely Crowder is released before the season starts. If he isn't, it probably means Moore is not impressing the staff. They have 10 million reasons to give Moore that job and release Crowder. 

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woodstock said:

There is one quibble with Sermon. He is entering a heck of a crowded backfield with guys who, when healthy, have produced at a high level. Mostert rushed for over 200 and scored 4 TDs in the NFCCG not so long ago. He was killing it last year until his knee injury. 

Waldman said to watch out Sermon if he goes to SF because they use their backs like disposable golf clubs. Said you might see his floor there. His words. Be wary. It was one example he gave, but it was pretty definitive to pick one out of thirty-two and say, "here's where a guy can go and get swallowed up."

Be very wary. Marshall and Bateman are likely surefire starters from Day One. 

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oukurt said:

More than a quibble. Shanahan well known for  assigning multiple RBs into specific roles like 3rd down, goal line, speed, blocking, receiving. I want no part of that mess. I can see Sermon carving out a role of 10 touches a game. You can bet Kyle is going to keep a full stable of backs. 

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1. Lawrence, Trevor JAC QB (R) 
   
2. Chase, Ja'Marr CIN WR (R)
   
3. Pitts, Kyle ATL TE (R)
   
4. Lance, Trey SFO QB (R)
   
5. Fields, Justin CHI QB (R)
   
6. Harris, Najee PIT RB (R)
   
7. Wilson, Zach NYJ QB (R)
   
8. * Robinson, Bijan, 2023 FA RB (R)
   
9. * Uiagalelei, D.J., 2023 FA QB (R)
   
10. Etienne, Travis JAC RB (R)
    
11. Sermon, Trey SFO RB (R)
    
12. Wilson, Zach NYJ QB (R)
    
13. Williams, Javonte DEN RB (R)
    
14. Williams, Javonte DEN RB (R)
    
15. Smith, DeVonta PHI WR (R)
    
16. Jones, Mac NEP QB (R)
    
17. * Bigsby, Tank, 2023 FA RB (R)
    
18. Jones, Mac NEP QB (R)
    
19. * Boutte, Kayshon, 2023 FA WR (R)
    
20. * Burks, Treylon, 2022 FA WR (R)
    
21. * Gilbert, Arik, 2023 FA TE (R)
    
22. * Gibbs, Jahmyr, 2023 FA RB (R)
    
23. * Young, Bryce, 2023 FA QB (R)
    
24. Bateman, Rashod BAL WR (R)
    
25. Waddle, Jaylen MIA WR (R)
    
26. * Milton, Kendall, 2023 FA RB (R)
    
27. * Williams, Kyren, 2022 FA RB (R)
    
28. Carter, Michael NYJ RB (R)
    
29. Freiermuth, Pat PIT TE (R)
    
30. * Mayer, Michael, 2023 FA TE (R)
    
31. Marshall, Terrace CAR WR (R)
    
32. * Evans, Zach, 2023 FA RB (R)
    
33. * Harris, Kevin, 2022 FA RB (R)
    
34. Moore, Elijah NYJ WR (R)
    
35. * Metchie, John, 2022 FA WR (R)
    
36. Moore, Rondale ARI WR (R)
    
37. Moore, Elijah NYJ WR (R)
    
38. * Wydermyer, Jalen, 2022 FA TE (R)
    
39. * Smith-Njigba, Jaxon, 2023 FA WR (R)
    
40. Toney, Kadarius NYG WR (R)
    
41. * Burton, Jermaine, 2023 FA WR (R)
    
42. * McClellan, Jase, 2023 FA RB (R) 
    
43. Gray, Noah KCC TE (R) 
    
44. * Jarrett, Rakim, 2023 FA WR (R)
    
45. * Lloyd, MarShawn, 2023 FA RB (R)
    
46. Toney, Kadarius NYG WR (R)
    
47. St. Brown, Amon-Ra DET WR (R) 
    
48. Stevenson, Rhamondre NEP RB (R) 
    
49. * London, Drake, 2022 FA WR  (R) 
    
50. * Billingsley, Jahleel, 2022 FA TE (R) 
    
51. Evans, Chris CIN RB (R) 
    
52. * Ealy, Jerrion, 2022 FA RB (R) 
    
53. * Mims, Marvin, 2023 FA WR (R) 
    
54. * Fleming, Julian, 2023 FA WR (R) 
    
55. * Strong, Carson, 2022 FA QB (R) 
    
56. Brown, Dyami WAS WR (R) 
    
57. * Corral, Matt, 2022 FA QB (R) 
    
58. Trask, Kyle TBB QB (R) 
    
59. * Downs, Josh, 2023 FA WR (R) 
    
60. Collins, Nico HOU WR (R) 
    
61. * Johnston, Quentin, 2023 FA WR (R) 
    
62. * Willis, Malik, 2022 FA QB (R) 
    
63. Wells, Pro CIN TE (R) 
    
64. Mond, Kellen MIN QB (R) 
    
65. Long, Hunter MIA TE (R) 
    
66. Ragas, Trey LVR RB (R) 
    
67. Long, Hunter MIA TE (R) 
    
68. * Addison, Jordan, 2023 FA WR (R) 
    
69. * Trayanum, DeaMonte, 2023 FA RB (R) 
    
70. Hubbard, Chuba CAR RB (R) 
    
71. * Ridder, Desmond, 2022 FA QB (R) 
    
72. * Washington, Darnell, 2023 FA TE (R) 
    

jm192 said:

I'm curious about Gainwell.  Seems he keeps going around 2.04-2.05 in a lot of these.  I think in that range (16-17) in 12 teamers, I'd want all of the QB's and a number of WR's over him.  

I think he may steal SOME pass catching downs, but I don't see Gainwell being a big time fantasy contributer. 

I'd rather have Toney, St. Brown, Rogers, Collins and maybe Dyami Brown.  

Am I thinking about this wrong?  Do people have higher expectations for Gainwell?  Sure there's always a chance Sanders busts and Gainwell gets more work.  But they've got other backs there.  I don't see him as having a ton of fantasy upside and think a lot of the WR's in that area are more likely to be an asset.

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jtd13 said:

I like Moore a lot, but I don't love the landing spot. The slot guys that really kill it in fantasy usually still play in 2WR sets out wide, and I feel like Moore's going to be blocked there with 2 athletic big WRs on the outside. 

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oukurt said:

No player has fallen further in recent memory. From everything I have read, the only way he will be an asset is if Philly lines him up a at receiver. He may spell Sanders, but for all intents and purposes he is a Sanders handcuff.

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Edgar said:

My immediate thought was Kelvin Harmon. What a fall that was

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ffmail4me said:

Don't forget Butler....

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BlueBlazer05 said:

12 team, 2QB league:

1. Lawrence

2. Lance

3. Jones (guy is a Pats fan)

4. Fields

I'm up with 1.05 (then 2.04) and I've narrowed it down to Wilson, Chase, Harris, and Pitts. I'm a little thin at QB cause Lock is my 3rd QB currently, but my TE situation is one of the worst.. RB and WR is passable, though I have no true stud at either.

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Andy Dufresne said:

Zealots PPR IDP draft - 53 man rosters - In progress 

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1. Trevor Lawrence
   
2. Ja'Marr Chase
   
3. Justin Fields
   
4. Najee Harris
   
5. Trey Lance
   
6. Kyle Pitts
   
7. Devonta Smith
   
8. Travis Etienne
   
9. Javonte Williams
   
10. Jaylen Waddle
    
11. Zach Wilson
    
12. Elijah Moore
    
13. Trey Sermon
    
14. Rashod Bateman
    
15. Mac Jones
    
16. Kadarius Toney
    
17. Pat Freiermuth
    
18. Rondale Moore
    
19. Terrace Marshall
    
20. Dyami Brown
    
21. Amari Rodgers
    
22. Kellen Mond
    
23. Amon-Ra St. Brown
    
24. Nico Collins
    
25. Michael Carter
    
26. Jevon Holland
    
27. Kenneth Gainwell
    
28. Rhamondre Stevenson
    
29. Chuba Hubbard
    
30. D'Wayne Eskridge
    
31. Josh Palmer
    
32. Larry Rountree
    
33. Micah Parsons
    
34. Lavonte David
    
35. Darrynton Evans
    
36. Dez Fitzpatrick
    
37. Kyle Trask
    
38. Jermar Jefferson
    
39. Davis Mills
    
40. Sam Ehlinger
    
41. Tylan Wallace
    
42. Elijah Mitchell
    
43. Brevin Jordan
    
44. Frank Darby
    
45. Seth Williams
    
46. Tutu Atwell
    
47. Javian Hawkins
    
48. Jamin Davis
    
49. Trey Hendrickson
    
50. Khalil Herbert
    
51. Kylin Hill
    
52. John Wolford
    
53. Jacob Harris
    
54. Tracy Walker
    
55. Isaiah Simmons
    
56. Anthony Schwartz
    
57. Taylor Heinicke
    
58. Hunter Long
    
59. Pooka Williams
    
60. Dazz Newsome
    
61. Jaelon Darden
    
62. Jaelan Phillips
    
63. Patrick Surtain
    
64. Tyrod Taylor
    
65. Chris Evans
    
66. Samaje Perine
    
67. Dwayne Haskins
    
68. Shi Smith
    
69. Nick Bolton
    
70. Anthony Firkser
    
71. Kendrick Bourne
    
72. Richie Grant