timschochet
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Not to mention the fact that most Christians believe that good works aren’t the key to Heaven anyhow. You’ve got to accept the divinity of Jesus Christ, otherwise you’re going to Hell no matter how good you were.
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
I submit there is no right and wrong in the world without religious context involved
Science and Darwinism will lead a person without religion to understand its survival of the fittest, strong survive and higher intelligence animals do what is best for themselves. Maternal instincts matter as well as other factors but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_in_carnivores
Many primates practice infanticide including chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons and langurs while others do not, including orangutans, bonobos and mouse lemurs.
Without God / religion ... we are nothing more than animals and because of that, nothing binds us. We are each enabled to do the worst things imaginable aren't we ?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Yenrub
Footballguy
Then you know that there is plenty of new music that doesn’t fall into the ‘filth flarn filth” category.rockaction said:
I’m still trying to figure out why the OP thinks black culture is political
Also there is more to black culture than sports & entertainment
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Topic for another thread. I'm not going to hijack this one discussing the arrogance of religion to believe only the indoctrinated can be moral people.
Have a great day.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
well we don't have to dive deep into it - but it was pointed towards me thatTopic for another thread. I'm not going to hijack this one discussing the arrogance of religion to believe only the indoctrinated can be moral people.
Have a great day.
Does it make a difference ?
100% it does
That we have such a vulgar music/media industry on one hand that people glamourize and glorify and follow but then turn around and also try to be so metoo# and pro-equality and treating people equally and fairly and all that .... doesn't anyone else see the incredible irony and hypocrisy ?
Hollywood hates guns - and many movies have fully auto guns blasting away - the very thing they're against
Media will talk about treating women with respect then report on the latest rap album that shows anything BUT respect towards women
I could go and on but my point is - socially through media and music and all that ..... it matters, absolutely
If anyone has had kids, they'll know how easily influenced people are from wearing style of jeans to haircut to app's on their phones etc - and it doesn't stop at 16 fyi
The Commish
Footballguy
Not to pile on SC, but Christians rest comfortably every night knowing grace is saving them. Those two statements are some of the wrongest statements I've seen made on these boards. If they are Christian because they are scared of something, then they're doing it wrong.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Without comment on the rest of your post, you brought religion into it. That wasn't necessary unless you believe religion is what makes a moral person. I took exception to that. That's a very arrogant viewpoint.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
The dichotomy you describe, imo, is a difference between personal beliefs and art. People have a personal responsibility to behave according to social norms but the freedom to watch or listen to (almost) anything they choose. Artists will sell whatever the public wants.
You can say the art influences people's behavior, but that doesn't absolve people of their responsibility.
As I mentioned early in the thread, I'm a huge fan of Frank Zappa. He has songs that deal with politicians having sex with underaged girls (from 1967). Listening to it many times never made me want to go out have sex with underaged girls.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I 100% that a Christian should be afraid
However if a person's faith is tied to a God that will judge your life upon your death and thumbs up or thumbs down ..... there is a fear factor there don't ya think !!
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
do you think a mass movement to legitimize something doesn't exist ?
sure, personal freedom of choice exists but you can influence people and you can also bully and shame them
right now, I'm feeling the pressure on covid vaccine because as of today I'm refusing to get it - and many would name call me, shame me, offer to bribe me with lottery tickets, free donuts, beer etc and then if I still don't conform there will be more pressure put on me
that's social, its governmental, its media driven all combine
I submit there is a reason we see media/television/Hollywood the way it is - there are agenda's behind it, Maybe Zappa wanted society to change and accept his desires towards children - Elton John has a similar want with his homosexual desires too and his goals succeeded, Zappa's didn't right ?
The Commish
Footballguy
That's not how it works if you read what the Bible says
I can't think of a single conversation I've ever been in with you where you didn't bring up "fear". Is this a projection thing?
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
another truth spoken
humanity is a surprising thing to study .... fascinating and depression and hopeful all wrapped into one
let me say this to prove my point
'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore' - Donald Trump
unacceptable words, it banned him from media platforms, it resulted in impeachment .... those words Democrats and media will use for a long time
"xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" just about anything from Lil Wayne - google it, disgusting. But, According to Celebrity Net Worth, Lil Wayne has an estimated net worth of $150 million. His music is loved and idolized
what is accepted and what isn't ............. driven by media
dkp993
Footballguy
So your convinced you can’t have ethics or morals if you don’t have religion. Interesting take, I wholeheartedly disagree and will not take it personally. But you do you SC.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I doubt many people understand what the Bible says about souls that don't know Jesus and salvation - you can study a lifetime and not understand ( as I have )That's not how it works if you read what the Bible says
But the cornerstone of many religions is live a good ethical/moral life and receive eternal life ... don't, and you get a thumbs down and no no on that e-life thing
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I don't think so no
if it doesn't come from God / religion where can morality/ethics come from ?
a rap song ?
The Commish
Footballguy
Neither of these things have anything to do with the statements you made before. You're just shifting the goalposts again and throwing random thoughts out.
I wasn't talking about "many religions" either. Christianity is what I was talking about and in Christianity, that's not how it works.
dkp993
Footballguy
To quote Santa Claus “being good for goodness sake”I don't think so no
if it doesn't come from God / religion where can morality/ethics come from ?
a rap song ?
I personally have a very strong ethical base. I do because I feel it’s the right way to live not because I’m afraid of some guy in the sky starring down judging me. Fear has nothing to do with the whys of my decisions on how to treat others.
timschochet
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I was responding to your posts as best I could
Just because your mind doesn't understand or follow the connections doesn't make them less valid or real
in fact, I've noticed often you have a very hard time following my lines of thought. That's ok - everyone is different in that respect
but you can't say I don't respond - I absolutely do
squistion
Footballguy
That is absurd. That would mean an atheist could have no understanding or belief in what is considered right or wrong.
There are societies that pre-date Christianity and other current religions and they pretty much believed in the same concepts of what is right or wrong as we do.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
and its very real
where it goes, how it develops as time goes on .... will be very interesting
"its your body" has lost all validity now with covid and vaccinations
sho nuff
Footballguy
Same here…whats more, people came to this country to be able to practice, or not practice, as they see sot. So much so that its a pretty big part of the document, whats it called again? Oh yes, the Constitution
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Dickies
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
Laws? Our internal desire to help others or our want to be liked? Religion has no part of any of that.I don't think so no
if it doesn't come from God / religion where can morality/ethics come from ?
a rap song ?
The Commish
Footballguy
I asked constantly for why you believe things are connected and I can't remember a single time you've ever responded with clarity, so I stopped asking and just point out when you change the subject.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
oh my this thread took a turn.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
See here's your problem. I listen to Classic Vinyl, Classic rewind, and deep tracks on sirius xm. Don't have any of the problems you mention.
The Football Freak
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Bingo.That's not how it works if you read what the Bible says
I can't think of a single conversation I've ever been in with you where you didn't bring up "fear". Is this a projection thing?
squistion
Footballguy
Common sense. Group consensus. You don't have to be told that the right thing to do is to treat people honestly and fairly, the way you would want to be treated. It has nothing to do with religion or god.
Flash
Footballguy
Caveman33
Footballguy
Morality is hard to quantify so I can't put much credit in the studies that find no difference in morality among religious and non-religious but I've known many Christians who were thieves, liars, and cheats. The hypocrisy seemed to make it worse than when seeing similar behavior from non religious people. Intelligence is easier to quantify and studies consistently show religious people to be less intelligent than non-religious.
If you can’t understand why a discussion of black culture is political then I don’t know what to tell you. Res ipsa loquitor.
Caveman33
Footballguy
Fair enough, and to be clear these are averages of groups of people so it doesn't define any individual. I'm sure there are religious people who are more intelligent than 99% of non-religious people. I think a common idea for why there is an overall disparity is that those who are much more analytical are less likely to accept religious beliefs which require faith rather than concrete proof.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1088868313497266
https://www.psypost.org/2019/11/meta-analysis-of-83-studies-produces-very-strong-evidence-for-a-negative-relationship-between-intelligence-and-religiosity-54897
https://www.livescience.com/59361-why-are-atheists-generally-more-intelligent.html
https://neurosciencenews.com/religion-atheism-intelligence-8391/
There are also many studies which show that more intelligent people, on average, have less kids.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Great. Now do a woman’s right to control her own medical decisions. I’ll wait to hear why these posts don’t apply to them.
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