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Jeffery side12 team ppr
Team A gets - A Jeffery and a 2015 1st
Team B gets Decker, Garcon and Hyde
Jeffery side12 team ppr
Team A gets - A Jeffery and a 2015 1st
Team B gets Decker, Garcon and Hyde
That's a great sell high.Nice return. I wouldn't even pay a 2nd in a 12 team so braver than I am16 team league, I wasn't involved:
A gives Allen Hurns
B gives 2016 1st round pick (likely 1.12-16)
I'll take the chance that he leaves AZ and has a resurgence at that price.Still Fitz for me12-team PPR
Team A: Larry Fitzgerald
Team B: Rashad Jennings, 2015 2nd
That's a fair point. But you can draft a Hyde level player next off-season for MUCH less than Keenan Allen. And looking at next years RB class--I like your odds of getting a younger, more talented option as well.EBF said:Unless you think Lattimore is a threat, it seems like the only thing preventing Carlos Hyde from achieving Lacy/Bell levels of value is Frank Gore's eventual retirement. Hyde might not be quite the receiver that those other two are, but you have to like the idea of getting the bell cow back for a great organization. I would not be surprised if he's worth more than Allen in another 12-15 months. However, the top 6 pick for Lee complicates that deal. I think Lee can be a good player, but I would not pay that for him.
This is where that top 6 1st warps the value of this deal by a decent margin in the favor of the Allen side for meThat's a fair point. But you can draft a Hyde level player next off-season for MUCH less than Keenan Allen. And looking at next years RB class--I like your odds of getting a younger, more talented option as well.EBF said:Unless you think Lattimore is a threat, it seems like the only thing preventing Carlos Hyde from achieving Lacy/Bell levels of value is Frank Gore's eventual retirement. Hyde might not be quite the receiver that those other two are, but you have to like the idea of getting the bell cow back for a great organization. I would not be surprised if he's worth more than Allen in another 12-15 months. However, the top 6 pick for Lee complicates that deal. I think Lee can be a good player, but I would not pay that for him.
Yeah--just as easily as Hyde could = Allen, 1.06 could = Hyde. I think the latter is more likely, myself.That's a fair point. But you can draft a Hyde level player next off-season for MUCH less than Keenan Allen. And looking at next years RB class--I like your odds of getting a younger, more talented option as well.
"Top-6 pick" is not the same as "pick 1.06". It's much, much more valuable.Yeah--just as easily as Hyde could = Allen, 1.06 could = Hyde. I think the latter is more likely, myself.That's a fair point. But you can draft a Hyde level player next off-season for MUCH less than Keenan Allen. And looking at next years RB class--I like your odds of getting a younger, more talented option as well.
Certainly. Even as a worst case, I like the odds of landing a Hyde caliber prospect next year. Anything better than that is gravy."Top-6 pick" is not the same as "pick 1.06". It's much, much more valuable.
Which 2015 RBs would you take over Hyde at this point? I think there has to be some amount of "bird-in-the-hand" bias given we know he's in a favorable situation and performing great at the NFL level thus far. I think Gurley is the only one you have to, have to take over him. "Younger more talented" is a little hazy given Hyde is a great fit for SF. Jaelen Strong will be a "Kelvin Benjamin caliber prospect" available in the late 1st next year but I'm not going to give up Benjamin for a late 1st, even in a deal closing capacity.Certainly. Even as a worst case, I like the odds of landing a Hyde caliber prospect next year. Anything better than that is gravy."Top-6 pick" is not the same as "pick 1.06". It's much, much more valuable.
I like Gurley, Gordon, Yeldon, Davis and Ajayi more than I ever liked Hyde as a prospect. I agree that Gurley is the only no-brainer today, considering the security that Hyde offers--he's survived the scouting process and landed in what looks like a "+" situation. But I don't need to bet on any specific collection of 5 prospects; only on the class itself.Which 2015 RBs would you take over Hyde at this point? I think there has to be some amount of "bird-in-the-hand" bias given we know he's in a favorable situation and performing great at the NFL level thus far. I think Gurley is the only one you have to, have to take over him. "Younger more talented" is a little hazy given Hyde is a great fit for SF. Jaelen Strong will be a "Kelvin Benjamin caliber prospect" available in the late 1st next year but I'm not going to give up Benjamin for a late 1st, even in a deal closing capacity.
Assuming Gore is there or not there?I'd personally be surprised if Hyde would go top 8 in most PPR rookie drafts next season, even having landed in SF.
"Top-6ish pick" is not the same as "Top-6 pick" nor "pick 1.06". Hard to say how valuable it is."Top-6 pick" is not the same as "pick 1.06". It's much, much more valuable.Yeah--just as easily as Hyde could = Allen, 1.06 could = Hyde. I think the latter is more likely, myself.That's a fair point. But you can draft a Hyde level player next off-season for MUCH less than Keenan Allen. And looking at next years RB class--I like your odds of getting a younger, more talented option as well.
There--Hyde's current situation or on 2014 draft night.Assuming Gore is there or not there?I'd personally be surprised if Hyde would go top 8 in most PPR rookie drafts next season, even having landed in SF.
I don't follow college, so I can't talk about specific names, but I'd say that for me Carlos Hyde profiles very similarly to a typical 1.06 pick (considering his situation). In fact, if offered a choice between Hyde or the 1.06 today, I'd probably take Hyde, because landing in San Fran is valuable and there does have to be some sort of time discount (even if I don't favor a very big one).Which 2015 RBs would you take over Hyde at this point? I think there has to be some amount of "bird-in-the-hand" bias given we know he's in a favorable situation and performing great at the NFL level thus far. I think Gurley is the only one you have to, have to take over him. "Younger more talented" is a little hazy given Hyde is a great fit for SF. Jaelen Strong will be a "Kelvin Benjamin caliber prospect" available in the late 1st next year but I'm not going to give up Benjamin for a late 1st, even in a deal closing capacity.Certainly. Even as a worst case, I like the odds of landing a Hyde caliber prospect next year. Anything better than that is gravy."Top-6 pick" is not the same as "pick 1.06". It's much, much more valuable.
Great exit value in Superflex.Superflex PPR -
Gave - Josh Gordon
Got - Blake Bortles, 2015 2nd Rounder (mid to high).
Not bad consider I traded a 2016 3rd rounder for him only 67 days ago. I had Bortles as my #1 Overall Superflex prospect going into the draft and that hasn't changed.
I think given situation and success to date, Hyde profiles very similarly to a typical top 3 pick. Consider the game we played with Michael last year. Around April CW on him was "random handcuff RB" and he was a run of the mill 2nd round rookie pick. Eventually CW turns, people do the arithmetic of late 2nd + elite measureables + drafted by Seattle + Lynch mileage = stud, and he becomes a late 1st. Then without even making regular season carries he's viewed as a top 50 player. Now consider the story on Hyde. It's almost the same story (not elite measureables, but more predraft hype). EXCEPT he's actually, you know, getting work. So why exactly should we take Yeldon (who draftniks already are souring on and de-hyping), Gordon (held in check by Western Midwest University), or Mike Davis over him. I didn't like Hyde much as a prospect to begin with, either, but I'm ready to admit whatever rudimentary analysis I do pales to seeing Hyde run over actual NFL players. Even if it was Dallas. Who without Sean Lee maybe isn't as good as Western Illinois. Assuming Hyde stays healthy and Gore leaves, I don't see why he's not a top 25 player next offseason, and I don't see more than 2 rookies being in that conversation. Ball elevated that high, and that was after being beat out by a retread, vs. earning carries behind a possible HOFer. Of course Gore could play forever, and be Fred Jackson, but we'll see.I don't follow college, so I can't talk about specific names, but I'd say that for me Carlos Hyde profiles very similarly to a typical 1.06 pick (considering his situation).
TE Premium? If not Gerhart for me and I am a big supporter of Pitta12 team PPR, 1/1/2/1, 2 flex
Team A: Gave Dennis Pitta
Team B: Gave Toby Gerhart, 2013 3rd
I don't think anyone has made that argument. But all 3 are clearly better prospects than Hyde was at this time last year.So why exactly should we take Yeldon (who draftniks already are souring on and de-hyping), Gordon (held in check by Western Midwest University), or Mike Davis over him.I don't follow college, so I can't talk about specific names, but I'd say that for me Carlos Hyde profiles very similarly to a typical 1.06 pick (considering his situation).
I am with Coop on this.I think given situation and success to date, Hyde profiles very similarly to a typical top 3 pick. Consider the game we played with Michael last year. Around April CW on him was "random handcuff RB" and he was a run of the mill 2nd round rookie pick. Eventually CW turns, people do the arithmetic of late 2nd + elite measureables + drafted by Seattle + Lynch mileage = stud, and he becomes a late 1st. Then without even making regular season carries he's viewed as a top 50 player. Now consider the story on Hyde. It's almost the same story (not elite measureables, but more predraft hype). EXCEPT he's actually, you know, getting work. So why exactly should we take Yeldon (who draftniks already are souring on and de-hyping), Gordon (held in check by Western Midwest University), or Mike Davis over him. I didn't like Hyde much as a prospect to begin with, either, but I'm ready to admit whatever rudimentary analysis I do pales to seeing Hyde run over actual NFL players. Even if it was Dallas. Who without Sean Lee maybe isn't as good as Western Illinois. Assuming Hyde stays healthy and Gore leaves, I don't see why he's not a top 25 player next offseason, and I don't see more than 2 rookies being in that conversation. Ball elevated that high, and that was after being beat out by a retread, vs. earning carries behind a possible HOFer. Of course Gore could play forever, and be Fred Jackson, but we'll see.I don't follow college, so I can't talk about specific names, but I'd say that for me Carlos Hyde profiles very similarly to a typical 1.06 pick (considering his situation).
I think there's two different threads in there. One is "What will Hyde command in a year", and one is "what is Hyde worth". I agree that Hyde profiles as someone who will see his value rise throughout the year. I agree Michael could have commanded more than "generic top-6 pick" at several points. I just don't think Hyde is necessarily worth that (or that Michael was worth that). If you're looking to time the market and buy low / sell high, Hyde is probably a better candidate than the top-6 pick (even given what we know about how draft picks appreciate in value). But from an objective "fundamental value of the asset" standpoint, I think they're about a wash. I think Carlos Hyde is about the quality of prospect I would expect to get from executing a 1.04-1.06 pick in a typical rookie draft, and while Hyde gains the benefit of immediate returns, the pick gains the benefit of potential to hit the jackpot.thriftyrocker said:I think given situation and success to date, Hyde profiles very similarly to a typical top 3 pick. Consider the game we played with Michael last year. Around April CW on him was "random handcuff RB" and he was a run of the mill 2nd round rookie pick. Eventually CW turns, people do the arithmetic of late 2nd + elite measureables + drafted by Seattle + Lynch mileage = stud, and he becomes a late 1st. Then without even making regular season carries he's viewed as a top 50 player. Now consider the story on Hyde. It's almost the same story (not elite measureables, but more predraft hype). EXCEPT he's actually, you know, getting work. So why exactly should we take Yeldon (who draftniks already are souring on and de-hyping), Gordon (held in check by Western Midwest University), or Mike Davis over him. I didn't like Hyde much as a prospect to begin with, either, but I'm ready to admit whatever rudimentary analysis I do pales to seeing Hyde run over actual NFL players. Even if it was Dallas. Who without Sean Lee maybe isn't as good as Western Illinois. Assuming Hyde stays healthy and Gore leaves, I don't see why he's not a top 25 player next offseason, and I don't see more than 2 rookies being in that conversation. Ball elevated that high, and that was after being beat out by a retread, vs. earning carries behind a possible HOFer. Of course Gore could play forever, and be Fred Jackson, but we'll see.Adam Harstad said:I don't follow college, so I can't talk about specific names, but I'd say that for me Carlos Hyde profiles very similarly to a typical 1.06 pick (considering his situation).
Harvin smash.Team A gives
Zach Ertz
Allen Robinson
Team B gives
Percy Harvin
2015 3rd
$2
Looking for charts that value veteran players against each other? Or something like a rookie pick value chart?Guys, any good trade value charts online for Dynasty leagues? Must be around somewhere!
This... speaking for myself of course. Know any good ones SSOG?Looking for charts that value veteran players against each other? Or something like a rookie pick value chart?Guys, any good trade value charts online for Dynasty leagues? Must be around somewhere!
Current players, for in season trades.Looking for charts that value veteran players against each other? Or something like a rookie pick value chart?Guys, any good trade value charts online for Dynasty leagues? Must be around somewhere!
Hate that trade for you, you gave all that and got nothing in return?ThreeThousand said:12 team PPR, 1/1/2/1, 2 flex
Team A: Gave Dennis Pitta
Team B: Gave Toby Gerhart, 2013 3rd
I have to go Harvin at the moment but I do like that other sideTeam A gives
Zach Ertz
Allen Robinson
Team B gives
Percy Harvin
2015 3rd
$2
Harvin easy. Closer if Team B is rebuilding.I have to go Harvin at the moment but I do like that other sideTeam A gives
Zach Ertz
Allen Robinson
Team B gives
Percy Harvin
2015 3rd
$2
Harvin...Harvin is too good to give away for a guy who has yet to rise beyond backup to the backup12 team, standard scoring....weak at RB and probably not going to be super-competitive this year.
Team A gives: Percy Harvin
Team B gives: Christine Michael
Thoughts?
Cruz...pick is on the wrong side12 team PPR
Team A trades:
Roddy White
Team B trades:
Victor Cruz
2015 2nd
Nope. This was the big project we were working on in the DynastyRankings.net days, but it's kind of the white whale of dynasty leagues. Obviously all sorts of difficulties arising from different league settings (PPR? Non? Start 2 WRs? 3? Flex? TE Premium? Deep benches? 16-team league?). Beyond that, the biggest problem was creating trade values that were internally consistent when you started getting into multi-player years. A $20 might be worth a $10, and a $10 might be worth two $5s, but that doesn't mean the $20 was worth four $5s. We were working on creating some sort of dummy value to represent unbalanced player deals when the site went under. I think it's probably a solvable problem if you automate it a bit (i.e. create a formula to derive trade value from a set of rankings), though automation obviously produces slightly less optimal results. I tried building one manually, but it's just a crushing project to try to keep up with by hand, at least if you plan on doing it any justice (as opposed to dashing something off and calling it good). For FBGs I'm writing two weekly columns, updating rankings bi-weekly, and contributing to various other staff features during the season, and I would say that keeping a quality trade value chart was more work than all of that combined.This... speaking for myself of course. Know any good ones SSOG?Looking for charts that value veteran players against each other? Or something like a rookie pick value chart?Guys, any good trade value charts online for Dynasty leagues? Must be around somewhere!
Harvin Smash.12 team, standard scoring....weak at RB and probably not going to be super-competitive this year.
Team A gives: Percy Harvin
Team B gives: Christine Michael
Thoughts?
You love using the phrase Smash.Harvin Smash.12 team, standard scoring....weak at RB and probably not going to be super-competitive this year.
Team A gives: Percy Harvin
Team B gives: Christine Michael
Thoughts?
Certainly that's valid. They currently don't throw to the RB as much as other teams, and its possible his (as well as Michael's) upside is limited in PPR leagues compared to McCoy and Charles types. I see no reason to limit his TD upside, but we'll see.Concept Coop said:Also, I don't know that SF is the situation you're presenting it as, personally. It's been good for 1,200/8 and 35 targets (and Hyde's no Gore out of the backfield) over the last few years.
Yeah, I have pretty much ignored the original trade because I agreed with everyone. Allen for Hyde was more interesting to me, and what it would/should actually take to get Hyde at this point.Either way, this completely ignores the fact that Keenan Allen is sporting quite a few >s when compared to Marqise Lee.
No, something more like this.You love using the phrase Smash.
Is this what you mean by it?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smash
DLF ADP is the best resource for this. Combine with Dodds draft pick trade calculator and you'd get a rough order of magnitude.Nope.This... speaking for myself of course. Know any good ones SSOG?Looking for charts that value veteran players against each other? Or something like a rookie pick value chart?Guys, any good trade value charts online for Dynasty leagues? Must be around somewhere!
Well that makes sense as Harvin always reminds me of The Hulk.No, something more like this.You love using the phrase Smash.
Is this what you mean by it?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smash
AgreedCruz...pick is on the wrong side12 team PPR
Team A trades:
Roddy White
Team B trades:
Victor Cruz
2015 2nd
But should it matter that my other WR are Julio, CP, Cooks, DeAndre, A Robinson, etc....and RBs are T-Rich, Ellington, Bryce Brown, J Hill, Mason, Crowell?Harvin Smash.12 team, standard scoring....weak at RB and probably not going to be super-competitive this year.
Team A gives: Percy Harvin
Team B gives: Christine Michael
Thoughts?