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[Ramblin Wreck]

Dang it if I can't remember his name (Roy ??) that the Colts drafted out of Ohio State about 5-6 years ago. Guy had all-world measureables, very little time on the field at tOSU. And turned into...a temporary stint on the practice squad. That's with the same WR coaching of guys like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, etc.Please don't be that woman that constantly thinks she can change the guy into something he's not. I'm not saying it's impossible for Hill to become something great...but I will say I think it's very, very unlikely. And the cost of rostering him for 3 years isn't negligible.

The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense.Don't be the internet guy that think he's an NFL scout either.

Seriously? So, you think 6'4" and 205 is a good comparison to 6'3" and 225-235 lbs? OK then self proclaimed internet guy/scout. *nods*

Where did I compare sizes? I said Thomas was getting knocked for the same things Hill is being knocked for by the "internet scouts". I think it's pretty silly to say it will take Hill 3 years before he contributes but then call other guys in this thread making comparisons a woman.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Dang it if I can't remember his name (Roy ??) that the Colts drafted out of Ohio State about 5-6 years ago. Guy had all-world measureables, very little time on the field at tOSU. And turned into...a temporary stint on the practice squad. That's with the same WR coaching of guys like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, etc.

Please don't be that woman that constantly thinks she can change the guy into something he's not. I'm not saying it's impossible for Hill to become something great...but I will say I think it's very, very unlikely. And the cost of rostering him for 3 years isn't negligible.

The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense.Don't be the internet guy that think he's an NFL scout either.

Demaryius Thomas 6-3 235 4.3607- 35 receptions 558 yards 3 TD

08- 39 receptions 627 yards 3 TD

09- 46 receptions 1154 yards 8 TD

Stephen Hill 6-4 210 4.3

09- 6 receptions 137 yards 1 TD

10- 15 receptions 291 yards 3 TD

11- 28 receptions 820 yards 5 TD

Thomas was a much more accomplished(even though he was raw) WR coming out of Georgia Tech than Hill.

Now who's being THAT guy

Much more accomplished? Hardly. Thomas had the luxury of playing on a great 2009 team with many more weapons and a much better QB. And did you really just use stats from two different years and two different situations to compare players?

Are you really going to cherry pick? "The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense." "And did you really just use stats from two different years and two different situations to compare players?" Can't have it both ways.Yes I would say that 71 receptions for 1091 yards 5 TDs is much more accomplished. Heck, Hill has 49 career receptions in college...what has he accomplished?

 

[MAC_32]

Dang it if I can't remember his name (Roy ??) that the Colts drafted out of Ohio State about 5-6 years ago. Guy had all-world measureables, very little time on the field at tOSU. And turned into...a temporary stint on the practice squad. That's with the same WR coaching of guys like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, etc.Please don't be that woman that constantly thinks she can change the guy into something he's not. I'm not saying it's impossible for Hill to become something great...but I will say I think it's very, very unlikely. And the cost of rostering him for 3 years isn't negligible.

The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense.Don't be the internet guy that think he's an NFL scout either.

I think Demaryius showed a lot more on the football field than Hill did, which justified the early pick imho.

 

[Crippler]

Roy Hall was a 5th round draft pick. Hill is late 1st/early 2nd round draft pick so there is more there for sure. Maybe he turns into a bust but than any of the other guys including Blackmon can. Is Crabtree not almost a bust right now. It happens to lots of guys. But he could also end up being great. This happens also with these WR's. Vincent Jackson was a guy who most had to wait on. He turned out pretty good.

 

[MAC_32]

Roy Hall was a 5th round draft pick. Hill is late 1st/early 2nd round draft pick so there is more there for sure. Maybe he turns into a bust but than any of the other guys including Blackmon can. Is Crabtree not almost a bust right now. It happens to lots of guys. But he could also end up being great. This happens also with these WR's. Vincent Jackson was a guy who most had to wait on. He turned out pretty good.

Vincent Jackson wasn't taken early, neither was Marshall, or many other successful projects. Projects are not top 50 picks, they're later picks.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

I too am intriqued by Stephen Hill at 10 but I question whether Alex Smith could get the ball downfield far enough and quick enough for Hill to be successful. Smith may still have trouble getting Moss the ball downfield so while I'd like to see Hill on the 9ers good chance he'll be gone by S.F.'s 30th pick in the 1st. Another guy I'd like for the 49ers is TE Coby Fleener at 14.Could be the west coast version of Gronk & Hernandez with Vernon Davis & Fleener. yet since they picked up Manningham, who may or may not succeed, the Niners most likely will pass on Fleener if he's there and end up taking the best DB available if whoever's there has enough value to be a 1st rounder. They have Delanie Walker but I don't think he could play the 2 TE set as well as Fleener and Davis.If not then they should go offense and give Smith weapons to help him be successful. I wonder if too many options could hinder Smith? Crabtree hasn't lived up to expectations so maybe Manningham can push him some. If he's around in the second I wish the 49ers would take a shot at drafting RB Chris Polk. He could possibly be Gore's future replacement with carrying the load and Hunter to spell and situation play. Overall very good ranking Mr. Bloom on your top 50. The 49ers will have some decent offensive options to choose from at pick 30 it just depends on if they wanna go offense. I think they should as the defense is playing pretty good.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Roy Hall was a 5th round draft pick. Hill is late 1st/early 2nd round draft pick so there is more there for sure. Maybe he turns into a bust but than any of the other guys including Blackmon can. Is Crabtree not almost a bust right now. It happens to lots of guys. But he could also end up being great. This happens also with these WR's. Vincent Jackson was a guy who most had to wait on. He turned out pretty good.

Vincent Jackson wasn't taken early, neither was Marshall, or many other successful projects. Projects are not top 50 picks, they're later picks.

actually Jackson was taken in the top 50 as a complete project. Marshall was 4th round, but I think we can see why he fell now.

 

[Crippler]

Roy Hall was a 5th round draft pick. Hill is late 1st/early 2nd round draft pick so there is more there for sure. Maybe he turns into a bust but than any of the other guys including Blackmon can. Is Crabtree not almost a bust right now. It happens to lots of guys. But he could also end up being great. This happens also with these WR's. Vincent Jackson was a guy who most had to wait on. He turned out pretty good.

Vincent Jackson wasn't taken early, neither was Marshall, or many other successful projects. Projects are not top 50 picks, they're later picks.

Jackson was taken in the 2nd round which is where Hill could go(or late 1st). Marshall dropped due to character to the 4th round but he has certainly been successful which happens to some drafted later. Maybe Roy Hall could have been the same as Marshall if he goes to Denver instead of being in Indy and not gaining Peytons trust.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I too am intriqued by Stephen Hill at 10 but I question whether Alex Smith could get the ball downfield far enough and quick enough for Hill to be successful. Smith may still have trouble getting Moss the ball downfield so while I'd like to see Hill on the 9ers good chance he'll be gone by S.F.'s 30th pick in the 1st. Another guy I'd like for the 49ers is TE Coby Fleener at 14.Could be the west coast version of Gronk & Hernandez with Vernon Davis & Fleener. yet since they picked up Manningham, who may or may not succeed, the Niners most likely will pass on Fleener if he's there and end up taking the best DB available if whoever's there has enough value to be a 1st rounder. They have Delanie Walker but I don't think he could play the 2 TE set as well as Fleener and Davis.If not then they should go offense and give Smith weapons to help him be successful. I wonder if too many options could hinder Smith? Crabtree hasn't lived up to expectations so maybe Manningham can push him some. If he's around in the second I wish the 49ers would take a shot at drafting RB Chris Polk. He could possibly be Gore's future replacement with carrying the load and Hunter to spell and situation play. Overall very good ranking Mr. Bloom on your top 50. The 49ers will have some decent offensive options to choose from at pick 30 it just depends on if they wanna go offense. I think they should as the defense is playing pretty good.

The one thing to keep in mind on your theory of a 2 TE set, Jim Harbaugh coached Coby Fleener at Stanford.

 

[5Rings]

I too am intriqued by Stephen Hill at 10 but I question whether Alex Smith could get the ball downfield far enough and quick enough for Hill to be successful. Smith may still have trouble getting Moss the ball downfield so while I'd like to see Hill on the 9ers good chance he'll be gone by S.F.'s 30th pick in the 1st. Another guy I'd like for the 49ers is TE Coby Fleener at 14.Could be the west coast version of Gronk & Hernandez with Vernon Doavis & Fleener. yet since they picked up Manningham, who may or may not succeed, the Niners most likely will pass on Fleener if he's there and end up taking the best DB available if whoever's there has enough value to be a 1st rounder. They have Delanie Walker but I don't think he could play the 2 TE set as well as Fleener and Davis.If not then they should go offense and give Smith weapons to help him be successful. I wonder if too many options could hinder Smith? Crabtree hasn't lived up to expectations so maybe Manningham can push him some. If he's around in the second I wish the 49ers would take a shot at drafting RB Chris Polk. He could possibly be Gore's future replacement with carrying the load and Hunter to spell and situation play. Overall very good ranking Mr. Bloom on your top 50. The 49ers will have some decent offensive options to choose from at pick 30 it just depends on if they wanna go offense. I think they should as the defense is playing pretty good.

I strongly disagree with these Fleener to SF fans who use the "we could be just like the Patriots" argument. Brady makes that offense, not the two TEs. Alex Smith is not Brady.

 

[MAC_32]

Roy Hall was a 5th round draft pick. Hill is late 1st/early 2nd round draft pick so there is more there for sure. Maybe he turns into a bust but than any of the other guys including Blackmon can. Is Crabtree not almost a bust right now. It happens to lots of guys. But he could also end up being great. This happens also with these WR's. Vincent Jackson was a guy who most had to wait on. He turned out pretty good.

Vincent Jackson wasn't taken early, neither was Marshall, or many other successful projects. Projects are not top 50 picks, they're later picks.

actually Jackson was taken in the top 50 as a complete project. Marshall was 4th round, but I think we can see why he fell now.

I stand corrected, didn't look it up, thought he was a 3rd rounder. Quick skim of recent drafts still shows many worthwhile gambles in the mid-later rounds though. This sort of gamble that early in the draft just isn't worth it.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Dang it if I can't remember his name (Roy ??) that the Colts drafted out of Ohio State about 5-6 years ago. Guy had all-world measureables, very little time on the field at tOSU. And turned into...a temporary stint on the practice squad. That's with the same WR coaching of guys like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, etc.

Please don't be that woman that constantly thinks she can change the guy into something he's not. I'm not saying it's impossible for Hill to become something great...but I will say I think it's very, very unlikely. And the cost of rostering him for 3 years isn't negligible.

The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense.Don't be the internet guy that think he's an NFL scout either.

Demaryius Thomas 6-3 235 4.3607- 35 receptions 558 yards 3 TD

08- 39 receptions 627 yards 3 TD

09- 46 receptions 1154 yards 8 TD

Stephen Hill 6-4 210 4.3

09- 6 receptions 137 yards 1 TD

10- 15 receptions 291 yards 3 TD

11- 28 receptions 820 yards 5 TD

Thomas was a much more accomplished(even though he was raw) WR coming out of Georgia Tech than Hill.

Now who's being THAT guy

Much more accomplished? Hardly. Thomas had the luxury of playing on a great 2009 team with many more weapons and a much better QB. And did you really just use stats from two different years and two different situations to compare players?

Are you really going to cherry pick? "The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense." "And did you really just use stats from two different years and two different situations to compare players?" Can't have it both ways.Yes I would say that 71 receptions for 1091 yards 5 TDs is much more accomplished. Heck, Hill has 49 career receptions in college...what has he accomplished?

I'm not cherry picking. I'm a little familiar with GT's offense and why the stats are what they are. I do think Thomas was a little better prospect than Hill is now but it's close. I think Hill has more NFL upside. I think college stats are completely irrelevant too.... one guy catching passes from a decent QB is going to look better than a guy catching passes from a turd. Anyone claiming to be an internet scout would know college stats are pretty meaningless when projecting NFL talent.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Dang it if I can't remember his name (Roy ??) that the Colts drafted out of Ohio State about 5-6 years ago. Guy had all-world measureables, very little time on the field at tOSU. And turned into...a temporary stint on the practice squad. That's with the same WR coaching of guys like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, etc.

Please don't be that woman that constantly thinks she can change the guy into something he's not. I'm not saying it's impossible for Hill to become something great...but I will say I think it's very, very unlikely. And the cost of rostering him for 3 years isn't negligible.

The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense.Don't be the internet guy that think he's an NFL scout either.

Demaryius Thomas 6-3 235 4.3607- 35 receptions 558 yards 3 TD

08- 39 receptions 627 yards 3 TD

09- 46 receptions 1154 yards 8 TD

Stephen Hill 6-4 210 4.3

09- 6 receptions 137 yards 1 TD

10- 15 receptions 291 yards 3 TD

11- 28 receptions 820 yards 5 TD

Thomas was a much more accomplished(even though he was raw) WR coming out of Georgia Tech than Hill.

Now who's being THAT guy

Much more accomplished? Hardly. Thomas had the luxury of playing on a great 2009 team with many more weapons and a much better QB. And did you really just use stats from two different years and two different situations to compare players?

Are you really going to cherry pick? "The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense." "And did you really just use stats from two different years and two different situations to compare players?" Can't have it both ways.Yes I would say that 71 receptions for 1091 yards 5 TDs is much more accomplished. Heck, Hill has 49 career receptions in college...what has he accomplished?

I'm not cherry picking. I'm a little familiar with GT's offense and why the stats are what they are. I do think Thomas was a little better prospect than Hill is now but it's close. I think Hill has more NFL upside. I think college stats are completely irrelevant too.... one guy catching passes from a decent QB is going to look better than a guy catching passes from a turd. Anyone claiming to be an internet scout would know college stats are pretty meaningless when projecting NFL talent.

Good thing i've coached D1 college football, but nice attempt.

 

[ZWK]

Roy Hall was a 5th round draft pick. Hill is late 1st/early 2nd round draft pick so there is more there for sure. Maybe he turns into a bust but than any of the other guys including Blackmon can. Is Crabtree not almost a bust right now. It happens to lots of guys. But he could also end up being great. This happens also with these WR's. Vincent Jackson was a guy who most had to wait on. He turned out pretty good.

Vincent Jackson wasn't taken early, neither was Marshall, or many other successful projects. Projects are not top 50 picks, they're later picks.

actually Jackson was taken in the top 50 as a complete project. Marshall was 4th round, but I think we can see why he fell now.

Vincent Jackson was selected with the 61st pick of the 2005 draft.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Roy Hall was a 5th round draft pick. Hill is late 1st/early 2nd round draft pick so there is more there for sure. Maybe he turns into a bust but than any of the other guys including Blackmon can. Is Crabtree not almost a bust right now. It happens to lots of guys. But he could also end up being great. This happens also with these WR's. Vincent Jackson was a guy who most had to wait on. He turned out pretty good.

Vincent Jackson wasn't taken early, neither was Marshall, or many other successful projects. Projects are not top 50 picks, they're later picks.

actually Jackson was taken in the top 50 as a complete project. Marshall was 4th round, but I think we can see why he fell now.

Vincent Jackson was selected with the 61st pick of the 2005 draft.

misremembered as a pick in the 40s. carry on.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Dang it if I can't remember his name (Roy ??) that the Colts drafted out of Ohio State about 5-6 years ago. Guy had all-world measureables, very little time on the field at tOSU. And turned into...a temporary stint on the practice squad. That's with the same WR coaching of guys like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, etc.

Please don't be that woman that constantly thinks she can change the guy into something he's not. I'm not saying it's impossible for Hill to become something great...but I will say I think it's very, very unlikely. And the cost of rostering him for 3 years isn't negligible.

The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense.Don't be the internet guy that think he's an NFL scout either.

Demaryius Thomas 6-3 235 4.3607- 35 receptions 558 yards 3 TD

08- 39 receptions 627 yards 3 TD

09- 46 receptions 1154 yards 8 TD

Stephen Hill 6-4 210 4.3

09- 6 receptions 137 yards 1 TD

10- 15 receptions 291 yards 3 TD

11- 28 receptions 820 yards 5 TD

Thomas was a much more accomplished(even though he was raw) WR coming out of Georgia Tech than Hill.

Now who's being THAT guy

Much more accomplished? Hardly. Thomas had the luxury of playing on a great 2009 team with many more weapons and a much better QB. And did you really just use stats from two different years and two different situations to compare players?

Are you really going to cherry pick? "The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense." "And did you really just use stats from two different years and two different situations to compare players?" Can't have it both ways.Yes I would say that 71 receptions for 1091 yards 5 TDs is much more accomplished. Heck, Hill has 49 career receptions in college...what has he accomplished?

I'm not cherry picking. I'm a little familiar with GT's offense and why the stats are what they are. I do think Thomas was a little better prospect than Hill is now but it's close. I think Hill has more NFL upside. I think college stats are completely irrelevant too.... one guy catching passes from a decent QB is going to look better than a guy catching passes from a turd. Anyone claiming to be an internet scout would know college stats are pretty meaningless when projecting NFL talent.

Good thing i've coached D1 college football, but nice attempt.

There's a reason you're here trying to come off as an expert instead of still coaching.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense.



Don't be the internet guy that think he's an NFL scout either.

I'm not cherry picking. I'm a little familiar with GT's offense and why the stats are what they are. I do think Thomas was a little better prospect than Hill is now but it's close. I think Hill has more NFL upside. I think college stats are completely irrelevant too.... one guy catching passes from a decent QB is going to look better than a guy catching passes from a turd. Anyone claiming to be an internet scout would know college stats are pretty meaningless when projecting NFL talent.

There's a reason you're here trying to come off as an expert instead of still coaching.

Passive aggressive Lets look at your continual insults because people didn't agree with you on a message board.

I hope you feel better about yourself.

 

[BeTheMatch]

The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense.



Don't be the internet guy that think he's an NFL scout either.

I'm not cherry picking. I'm a little familiar with GT's offense and why the stats are what they are. I do think Thomas was a little better prospect than Hill is now but it's close. I think Hill has more NFL upside. I think college stats are completely irrelevant too.... one guy catching passes from a decent QB is going to look better than a guy catching passes from a turd. Anyone claiming to be an internet scout would know college stats are pretty meaningless when projecting NFL talent.

There's a reason you're here trying to come off as an expert instead of still coaching.

Passive aggressive Lets look at your continual insults because people didn't agree with you on a message board.

I hope you feel better about yourself.

You're really going to get on someone about their insults on this board? You?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

The same things were being said about DeMaryius Thomas when he was coming out of Ga. Tech's offense.



Don't be the internet guy that think he's an NFL scout either.

I'm not cherry picking. I'm a little familiar with GT's offense and why the stats are what they are. I do think Thomas was a little better prospect than Hill is now but it's close. I think Hill has more NFL upside. I think college stats are completely irrelevant too.... one guy catching passes from a decent QB is going to look better than a guy catching passes from a turd. Anyone claiming to be an internet scout would know college stats are pretty meaningless when projecting NFL talent.

There's a reason you're here trying to come off as an expert instead of still coaching.

Passive aggressive Lets look at your continual insults because people didn't agree with you on a message board.

I hope you feel better about yourself.

You're really going to get on someone about their insults on this board? You?

I'm not perfect but I take more insults than I give. Take this thread for example.

 

[5Rings]

I too am intriqued by Stephen Hill at 10 but I question whether Alex Smith could get the ball downfield far enough and quick enough for Hill to be successful. Smith may still have trouble getting Moss the ball downfield so while I'd like to see Hill on the 9ers good chance he'll be gone by S.F.'s 30th pick in the 1st. Another guy I'd like for the 49ers is TE Coby Fleener at 14.Could be the west coast version of Gronk & Hernandez with Vernon Doavis & Fleener. yet since they picked up Manningham, who may or may not succeed, the Niners most likely will pass on Fleener if he's there and end up taking the best DB available if whoever's there has enough value to be a 1st rounder. They have Delanie Walker but I don't think he could play the 2 TE set as well as Fleener and Davis.If not then they should go offense and give Smith weapons to help him be successful. I wonder if too many options could hinder Smith? Crabtree hasn't lived up to expectations so maybe Manningham can push him some. If he's around in the second I wish the 49ers would take a shot at drafting RB Chris Polk. He could possibly be Gore's future replacement with carrying the load and Hunter to spell and situation play. Overall very good ranking Mr. Bloom on your top 50. The 49ers will have some decent offensive options to choose from at pick 30 it just depends on if they wanna go offense. I think they should as the defense is playing pretty good.

I strongly disagree with these Fleener to SF fans who use the "we could be just like the Patriots" argument. Brady makes that offense, not the two TEs. Alex Smith is not Brady.

Sorry--didnt mean to call you out in particular, Bill. Was typing from the Dentist office

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

I too am intriqued by Stephen Hill at 10 but I question whether Alex Smith could get the ball downfield far enough and quick enough for Hill to be successful. Smith may still have trouble getting Moss the ball downfield so while I'd like to see Hill on the 9ers good chance he'll be gone by S.F.'s 30th pick in the 1st. Another guy I'd like for the 49ers is TE Coby Fleener at 14.Could be the west coast version of Gronk & Hernandez with Vernon Doavis & Fleener. yet since they picked up Manningham, who may or may not succeed, the Niners most likely will pass on Fleener if he's there and end up taking the best DB available if whoever's there has enough value to be a 1st rounder. They have Delanie Walker but I don't think he could play the 2 TE set as well as Fleener and Davis.If not then they should go offense and give Smith weapons to help him be successful. I wonder if too many options could hinder Smith? Crabtree hasn't lived up to expectations so maybe Manningham can push him some. If he's around in the second I wish the 49ers would take a shot at drafting RB Chris Polk. He could possibly be Gore's future replacement with carrying the load and Hunter to spell and situation play. Overall very good ranking Mr. Bloom on your top 50. The 49ers will have some decent offensive options to choose from at pick 30 it just depends on if they wanna go offense. I think they should as the defense is playing pretty good.

I strongly disagree with these Fleener to SF fans who use the "we could be just like the Patriots" argument. Brady makes that offense, not the two TEs. Alex Smith is not Brady.

Sorry--didnt mean to call you out in particular, Bill. Was typing from the Dentist office

No problem. Drafting Fleener expecting them to be like Gronk & Hernandez could actually backfire on them and not work at all. Good point that Alex Smith is NOT Tom Brady and there's no guarantee he could make the Fleener & Davis combo work the way Brady makes his TE combo work. I hear they're talking to Stephen Hill as well. There again if Hill has speed does SMith have the arm to get it to him. When their 1st round pick comes up I just hope they take the player they think they need the most whether it be offense or defense. Pick the player that has value and a good potential future but can also help now. If they think that's Fleener I'm fine with that and hope whatever plan they have in mind for him works. I believe their chance to win a superbowl is now so their 1st pick may not even help them immediately. So it'll be interesting to see who they take. I do believe they need to find a rb they think they can develop to maybe take over for Gore when he's done. Does RB Chris Polk fit that type situation and if he does will they go after him in the 2nd or can they get him in the 3rd?

 

[FUBAR]

I too am intriqued by Stephen Hill at 10 but I question whether Alex Smith could get the ball downfield far enough and quick enough for Hill to be successful. Smith may still have trouble getting Moss the ball downfield so while I'd like to see Hill on the 9ers good chance he'll be gone by S.F.'s 30th pick in the 1st. Another guy I'd like for the 49ers is TE Coby Fleener at 14.Could be the west coast version of Gronk & Hernandez with Vernon Doavis & Fleener. yet since they picked up Manningham, who may or may not succeed, the Niners most likely will pass on Fleener if he's there and end up taking the best DB available if whoever's there has enough value to be a 1st rounder. They have Delanie Walker but I don't think he could play the 2 TE set as well as Fleener and Davis.If not then they should go offense and give Smith weapons to help him be successful. I wonder if too many options could hinder Smith? Crabtree hasn't lived up to expectations so maybe Manningham can push him some. If he's around in the second I wish the 49ers would take a shot at drafting RB Chris Polk. He could possibly be Gore's future replacement with carrying the load and Hunter to spell and situation play. Overall very good ranking Mr. Bloom on your top 50. The 49ers will have some decent offensive options to choose from at pick 30 it just depends on if they wanna go offense. I think they should as the defense is playing pretty good.

I strongly disagree with these Fleener to SF fans who use the "we could be just like the Patriots" argument. Brady makes that offense, not the two TEs. Alex Smith is not Brady.

Sorry--didnt mean to call you out in particular, Bill. Was typing from the Dentist office

No problem. Drafting Fleener expecting them to be like Gronk & Hernandez could actually backfire on them and not work at all. Good point that Alex Smith is NOT Tom Brady and there's no guarantee he could make the Fleener & Davis combo work the way Brady makes his TE combo work. I hear they're talking to Stephen Hill as well. There again if Hill has speed does SMith have the arm to get it to him. When their 1st round pick comes up I just hope they take the player they think they need the most whether it be offense or defense. Pick the player that has value and a good potential future but can also help now. If they think that's Fleener I'm fine with that and hope whatever plan they have in mind for him works. I believe their chance to win a superbowl is now so their 1st pick may not even help them immediately. So it'll be interesting to see who they take. I do believe they need to find a rb they think they can develop to maybe take over for Gore when he's done. Does RB Chris Polk fit that type situation and if he does will they go after him in the 2nd or can they get him in the 3rd?

Smith certainly isn't Brady but his style seems to me ideal for 2 TE sets. Moss experiment won't go well there.

 

[az_prof]

I'm not even going to pretend to to level headed, but Stephen Hill is going to pass all the WRs sooner, not later.

BTW, who do you see as his NFL comp?

Thanks!

I'm just curious. Why are you so high on a guy that has had such limited opportunities? That's pretty big praise for a guy that doesn't have much of a track record, especially compared to guys like Blackmon and Floyd.

I've got a really bad man crush here. Not a big fan of Blackmon, he's (to me) a WR2 with a slim chance of WR1 numbers. I like Floyd (a lot). I think K Wright does not have the skill set to dominate, more like a contributor. A Jefferey (to me at least) does not have a high ceiling. Hill has something that you can't teach and that is size & speed.

Mike Wallace had the same effect on me when he came into the league.

GT did not really use Hill that often, still baffled by it.

Thing that scares me is that many more informed than me have said he can't catch very well in traffic (i.e. not the combine) and doesn't play as fast as he times.

I keep hearing people say this, but I'm not seeing any substance behind the opinion. Hill is very much an enigma if you ask me. He could be a Pro Bowler or could be a 4th stringer in a few years.

4th stringer IMO. Limited route tree, questionable hands, doesn't play as physical as he should, not quick in and out of breaks, questionable deep ball skills. One trick pony...go deep.

NFP: Matt Bowen on Stephen Hill4. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech: The WR is raw—real raw. But you can’t coach vertical speed (4.36 40) and size (6-4). I don’t care about rookie WRs and their route running ability on tape—because they all must improve if they want to catch the ball on Sundays. Hill needs to be taught the route tree from the release, through the stem and the break (12-15 yards outside of the 3-step game). The offense he played in at Georgia Tech (triple option) won’t prepare him for NFL competition in the passing game, but there is so much ability here that coaching him would be rewarding every day.

I like Matt Bowen and listen to him on the radio often. However, every WR could develop and improve on all their deficiencies in the NFL. What if Alshon Jeffrey increases his work ethic/quickness. What if Brian Quick/Dwight Jones/Jeff Fuller/Marvin McNutt display more consistent hands? What if Chris Givens/TY Hilton finally are exposed to a full route tree?I'm not in the what if business, i'm in the what's realistic business. Can miracles happen? Yes. But most players are what they are at this point. They can improve a little here and there, but not a ton. Stephen Hill has to improve not only route running, hands, aggressiveness...but he also had the slowest short shuttle time at the combine by .12. That's a large margin and it's a direct reflection of burst in/out of breaks...aka separation from defenders.

Matt Jones had a ton of potential too, but it never happened and I see the same thing here.

There's a difference between learning a new skill set (like improving hands or speed) and being taught and picking up new techniques. If his college system didn't require him to do more than run fly patterns, that doesn't mean he's incapable of running an out or curl - it just means he was never asked to. I don't think it would take a miracle for a WR to learn something like how to run a couple of different routes - seems like a week of practice would cover the basics and then all it would take is refining and improving on those techniques over the course of the offseason and during his rookie season.As far as being able to seperate in small areas with "quicks" is that as important when your physical size allows you to create a bigger target area and/or shield off defenders with his body?

This makes sense. It isn't rocket science. Good hands, however, seems to be something more innate. I have seen many guys who had bad hands and they just never seem to get it.

 

[Faust]

I'm not even going to pretend to to level headed, but Stephen Hill is going to pass all the WRs sooner, not later.

BTW, who do you see as his NFL comp?

Thanks!

I'm just curious. Why are you so high on a guy that has had such limited opportunities? That's pretty big praise for a guy that doesn't have much of a track record, especially compared to guys like Blackmon and Floyd.

I've got a really bad man crush here. Not a big fan of Blackmon, he's (to me) a WR2 with a slim chance of WR1 numbers. I like Floyd (a lot). I think K Wright does not have the skill set to dominate, more like a contributor. A Jefferey (to me at least) does not have a high ceiling. Hill has something that you can't teach and that is size & speed.

Mike Wallace had the same effect on me when he came into the league.

GT did not really use Hill that often, still baffled by it.

Thing that scares me is that many more informed than me have said he can't catch very well in traffic (i.e. not the combine) and doesn't play as fast as he times.

I keep hearing people say this, but I'm not seeing any substance behind the opinion. Hill is very much an enigma if you ask me. He could be a Pro Bowler or could be a 4th stringer in a few years.

4th stringer IMO. Limited route tree, questionable hands, doesn't play as physical as he should, not quick in and out of breaks, questionable deep ball skills. One trick pony...go deep.

NFP: Matt Bowen on Stephen Hill4. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech: The WR is raw—real raw. But you can’t coach vertical speed (4.36 40) and size (6-4). I don’t care about rookie WRs and their route running ability on tape—because they all must improve if they want to catch the ball on Sundays. Hill needs to be taught the route tree from the release, through the stem and the break (12-15 yards outside of the 3-step game). The offense he played in at Georgia Tech (triple option) won’t prepare him for NFL competition in the passing game, but there is so much ability here that coaching him would be rewarding every day.

I like Matt Bowen and listen to him on the radio often. However, every WR could develop and improve on all their deficiencies in the NFL. What if Alshon Jeffrey increases his work ethic/quickness. What if Brian Quick/Dwight Jones/Jeff Fuller/Marvin McNutt display more consistent hands? What if Chris Givens/TY Hilton finally are exposed to a full route tree?I'm not in the what if business, i'm in the what's realistic business. Can miracles happen? Yes. But most players are what they are at this point. They can improve a little here and there, but not a ton. Stephen Hill has to improve not only route running, hands, aggressiveness...but he also had the slowest short shuttle time at the combine by .12. That's a large margin and it's a direct reflection of burst in/out of breaks...aka separation from defenders.

Matt Jones had a ton of potential too, but it never happened and I see the same thing here.

There's a difference between learning a new skill set (like improving hands or speed) and being taught and picking up new techniques. If his college system didn't require him to do more than run fly patterns, that doesn't mean he's incapable of running an out or curl - it just means he was never asked to. I don't think it would take a miracle for a WR to learn something like how to run a couple of different routes - seems like a week of practice would cover the basics and then all it would take is refining and improving on those techniques over the course of the offseason and during his rookie season.As far as being able to seperate in small areas with "quicks" is that as important when your physical size allows you to create a bigger target area and/or shield off defenders with his body?

This makes sense. It isn't rocket science. Good hands, however, seems to be something more innate. I have seen many guys who had bad hands and they just never seem to get it.

I also think that the drug addiction had a lot to do with circumventing Matt Jones from reaching his potential as well

 

[Fanatics]

Bloom, I am guessing that you had access to the coaching tapes on these players, I like that you put in all of the hard work for our benefit. Thank you.

BTW, if you know of a site or how to get access to the coaches tapes online, I would love to know. I have been unable to find much more than just highlights on youtube....which is lacking to make a scouting report on the players.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Bloom, I am guessing that you had access to the coaching tapes on these players, I like that you put in all of the hard work for our benefit. Thank you.

BTW, if you know of a site or how to get access to the coaches tapes online, I would love to know. I have been unable to find much more than just highlights on youtube....which is lacking to make a scouting report on the players.

We don't get access to coaching tape -- NFL or college. There are a number of full games available on YouTube and many will record a whole library of college games to DVD each year. Highlights are rough, but there are a couple of very good outlets to find cut ups -- 4-8 minute videos of a full game edited to include only the plays of the player you're interested in watching (and any additional replay angles for certain plays).The guys at DraftBreakdown.com do an awesome job with that. Here's the YouTube channel of one of their video guys that includes lots of great examples.

 

[Fanatics]

We don't get access to coaching tape -- NFL or college. There are a number of full games available on YouTube and many will record a whole library of college games to DVD each year. Highlights are rough, but there are a couple of very good outlets to find cut ups -- 4-8 minute videos of a full game edited to include only the plays of the player you're interested in watching (and any additional replay angles for certain plays).

The guys at DraftBreakdown.com do an awesome job with that. Here's the YouTube channel of one of their video guys that includes lots of great examples.

I have always wondered if the staff reviews here were from the coaches tapes but I guess this is the next best thing. Thank you for the information and I just checked out both sites you gave, much better than what I was able to find.

 

[identikit]

Update?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

the rankings are done just need to finish the blurbs, delayed by a big project that came up this weekend.

 

[identikit]

the rankings are done just need to finish the blurbs, delayed by a big project that came up this weekend.

No worries.Thanks.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Lastly, Stephen Hill doesn't play physical(it's a mindset) and he doesn't have good hands(dropped lots of passes at GT).

I don't understand your point on Hill playing physically. I mean, what do you qualify as being physical in the 1st place? From what I have seen, he needs to be taught how to play physical and how to use his body like a real WR should. It may be a "mind set", but it's also a learned skill in how to use the proper technique to manipulate your physical abilities on the field. This seems like a silly point to bring up IMO.I've also yet to see the support for his poor hands. I've tried to find the proper film to gauge it, but I'm never left with enough information to make such concrete claims. I'm not sure how you, or anyone else can. I do know he looked fantastic in the positional drills at the combine. He was clearly the most natural looking catcher on the field that day. Easily more impressive than either of Blackmon or Floyd. Of course that day alone doesn't resolve doubt either. It does leave many objective folks like myself scratching our heads and wondering what the truth is about the guy. I'm continually told by some people he doesn't have good hands, I don't see nearly enough real game footage to support that and he looked ridiculously good catching the ball in the only scenario I have seen with any depth to it.

The impression I'm left with in the game action I've seen is that he has good hands but lacks the proper technique to make catches easier on the field. He allowed many passes to be heavily contested by DBs because of his lack of knowledge on how to properly use his body to shield or position himself ideally for the catch. This caused far more contested passes and much more difficult catches than there needed to be. Basically, I see a raw WR with was making many of the opportunities for catches more difficult on himself rather than easier due to a lack of trained fundamentals.

None of these issues are NFL death sentences. They are all coachable/fixable issues. It's just a matter of how capable of learning and how coachable he is IMO. This is admittedly a huge question mark. I think you are greatly blowing things out of proportion in order to make a point though. It's fine that you don't like him. Like I said, he very easily could be cut from his rookie team in 3 years IMO.

Speed + hands + work ethic is a deadly combination for a WR. The work ethic is a concern for me after he was academically ineligible for the 2010 bowl game, but if he has improved in that area I like his chances.I definitely like him better than Jeffery, who I see as a guy with hands but not speed or work ethic.

Greg Cosell w/ NFL Films posted a Blackmon-Floyd article and a particular sentence jumped out in regards to scouting college WRs:Always keep in mind when evaluating receivers that college production is secondary to physical attributes. article link

Yes, Hill needs refining, but the bandwagon is leaving soon.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Lastly, Stephen Hill doesn't play physical(it's a mindset) and he doesn't have good hands(dropped lots of passes at GT).

I don't understand your point on Hill playing physically. I mean, what do you qualify as being physical in the 1st place? From what I have seen, he needs to be taught how to play physical and how to use his body like a real WR should. It may be a "mind set", but it's also a learned skill in how to use the proper technique to manipulate your physical abilities on the field. This seems like a silly point to bring up IMO.I've also yet to see the support for his poor hands. I've tried to find the proper film to gauge it, but I'm never left with enough information to make such concrete claims. I'm not sure how you, or anyone else can. I do know he looked fantastic in the positional drills at the combine. He was clearly the most natural looking catcher on the field that day. Easily more impressive than either of Blackmon or Floyd. Of course that day alone doesn't resolve doubt either. It does leave many objective folks like myself scratching our heads and wondering what the truth is about the guy. I'm continually told by some people he doesn't have good hands, I don't see nearly enough real game footage to support that and he looked ridiculously good catching the ball in the only scenario I have seen with any depth to it.

The impression I'm left with in the game action I've seen is that he has good hands but lacks the proper technique to make catches easier on the field. He allowed many passes to be heavily contested by DBs because of his lack of knowledge on how to properly use his body to shield or position himself ideally for the catch. This caused far more contested passes and much more difficult catches than there needed to be. Basically, I see a raw WR with was making many of the opportunities for catches more difficult on himself rather than easier due to a lack of trained fundamentals.

None of these issues are NFL death sentences. They are all coachable/fixable issues. It's just a matter of how capable of learning and how coachable he is IMO. This is admittedly a huge question mark. I think you are greatly blowing things out of proportion in order to make a point though. It's fine that you don't like him. Like I said, he very easily could be cut from his rookie team in 3 years IMO.

Speed + hands + work ethic is a deadly combination for a WR. The work ethic is a concern for me after he was academically ineligible for the 2010 bowl game, but if he has improved in that area I like his chances.I definitely like him better than Jeffery, who I see as a guy with hands but not speed or work ethic.

Greg Cosell w/ NFL Films posted a Blackmon-Floyd article and a particular sentence jumped out in regards to scouting college WRs:Always keep in mind when evaluating receivers that college production is secondary to physical attributes. article link

Yes, Hill needs refining, but the bandwagon is leaving soon.

Yet the entire article doesn't mention Stephen Hill once.Just because college production is secondary doesn't mean disregard it entirely. My issue isn't just production it's a lack of skills.

Bob Sapp was the strongest player in the 1997 NFL Draft and the Bears selected him 69th overall to play OL. He flopped and played one career game before turning to martial arts.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Yet the entire article doesn't mention Stephen Hill once.

Stephen Hill is a WR, so the same applies.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Yet the entire article doesn't mention Stephen Hill once.

Stephen Hill is a WR, so the same applies.

Same to Ricardo Lockett then?WR from Fort Valley State last year6'22114.37 40 time10'7 broad jump2009 200 meter D2 ChampionOnly 42 college receptionsNow how did he go undrafted?

 

[bonesman]

Bob Sapp was the strongest player in the 1997 NFL Draft and the Bears selected him 69th overall to play OL. He flopped and played one career game before turning to martial arts.

He was soft for such a huge monsterous dude. Reminds me of Ferdinand the Bull.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

2nd 50 submitted for publication... looking forward to discussion

 

[Hersh]

Thank you, Mr. Bloom, for all of your hard work - you are appreciated!