Problem is that NOBODY will take on Okafor's terrible long contract without getting someone such as Collison thrown into the deal.
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I heard this comment, and I'm not sure what to take from it. If he wants to play with James or Bosh, he's not the centerpiece. However, he may still consider himself a centerpiece addition, even if he comes with James or Wade. If he's referring to being the best player on his team, he'd have to stay in Toronto or go to NY, assuming they don't land James themselves.
I think the Knicks would be very interested in Nash.
Ray Allen can still play, but I would think he'd have to sign a 2 or 3 year deal.
The Bulls have enough talent already that they don't NEED LeBron to contend (like the Knicks/Nets, for example). If they were able to bring in those two guys, that would have to be considered a success and a big upgrade.They would be a nice team on paper - Rose/Gay/Deng/Boozer/Noah with Hinrich/Gibson off the bench. That's probably a top 3 team in the East next season, maybe top 4, but I don't think it's a championship team. James is the guy they want, he's the reason they (and other teams) basically have been preparing for this off-season for 2 seasons now.
My predictions:Wade stays with HeatBosh signs with Heat Lebron signs with KnicksAmare signs with KnicksOkafor and Collison traded to Knicks for Curry's expiring and Chandler and bought 1st rd pick and $2-3 millionKnicks - Heat rivalry revved up again.
Why so confident in LeBron ending up in NY? I don't rule them out, but James knows he needs to win. That roster is awful. You have them doing a whole lot.
I never said I was confident that Lebron signs in NY. I believe it's 50-50 he stays with Cavs or signs with Knicks. Awful part of Knicks roster will not be back. 2 max slots along with the Rooster and Douglass and Curry's expiring which will be very valuable for teams with cheap owners looking to get under luxury tax. Owner who is not afraid to spend money. James with either Bosh/Amare on Knicks is better than Cavs current roster/cap situation.
Fair enough - you obviously are confident to some extent, but I have to say, while I won't be shocked if he ends up in NY, I would be mildly surprised.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Common misperception by fans not familiar with NY Knicks. Granted the Knicks have been irrelevant since the days of Houston, Starks and Ewing the roster they have assembled is filled with good young talent. Danillo Gallinari is on the verge of stardom, Wilson Chandler is an able defender and good scorer, Tony Douglas is an able passer and defender (would not look overmatched against premier PG like Mo Williams). Then you have guys like Bill Walker, and Barron who with some time could possibly develop. The lone fingerprint of Isaah Thomas is Curry whose expiring contract worth 11 million comes off the books this year. A valuable contract no doubt. This Knicks team dwarfs the Cavs in dynasty potential for Lebron. Supposedly the only thing holding back Lebron and Bosh is the fact that Bosh wants to play PF position and not center thus the Knicks would be well served to pick up a player like Okafor or Biedrins through a trade for Curry contract.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
You're underestimating the value of that More Money card. It's certainly not everything but it can sway the outcome. Bosh might be given the choice between signing with NY or agreeing to a sign-and-trade with, for example, Chicago for an extra year and millions of dollars more.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid!
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
boubucarow
Footballguy
The Bulls can only get what they can get in the end. I won't be disappointed if they don't get LeBron as long as what they do compliments what they already have. It isn't a failure unless they overspend on okay players. In the end, all they gave up to get the space was Salmons who played horribly this year before the trade. It isn't like they gutted their team. So far, they have done what is best for this team and as long as that continues. I am good.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Please elaborate on which part is funny. I dont believe I said anything outlandish such as Gallinari is the next Dirk or Tony Douglas is the next Gary Payton.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
1. Gallinari is on the verge of stardom- he's 6-10 and he couldn't average 5 rebounds for one of the worst shooting teams in the league. The Knicks were desperate for scoring and he could barely manage 15 points on 42% shooting. That's not the sign of a future star.Please elaborate on which part is funny. I dont believe I said anything outlandish such as Gallinari is the next Dirk or Tony Douglas is the next Gary Payton.
2. Wilson Chandler is a good scorer
- 15 points on 45% over the last 2 years. That would be fine for a playoff team, but for a bottom feeder it's downright meaningless. There are 300 guys in the league who could score 15 points a game on a 25-win team.
3. Wilson Chandler is an able defender
- not according to 82games.com.
4. Tony Douglas is an able passer
- he averaged 3.7 assists per 36 minutes played.
5. Tony Douglas is an able defender
- 1.4 steals per 36 minutes played. 82games.com is not impressed.
6. Tony Douglas would not look overmatched against Mo Williams
- Does this count as overmatched?
7. Bill Walker could possibly develop
- put him on a playoff team and he averages 3 points and 2 rebounds. But hey, he was awesome in the D-league.
8. Earl Barron could possibly develop
- he's been around for 5 years and his career averages are 6 points, 4 rebounds, and 39% shooting. No player in the history of the NBA has ever "developed" after being that terrible for 5 years.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Please elaborate on which part is funny. I dont believe I said anything outlandish such as Gallinari is the next Dirk or Tony Douglas is the next Gary Payton.
You have to take into context the teammates these guys had to play with. Harrington was/is a black hole where the ball is never seen again by a teammate and Lee who was all about putting up numbers to get his payday and Duhon who is just plain Doo-Doo and would only pass to Lee no matter how open Gallinari was. Those are just a few examples of the junk that the Knicks have trotted out there. Gallinari does have to hit the boards better, but he is one of the top 5 pure shooters in the league. Douglass showed a lot of potential last yr when finally given playing time. Walker had some very nice games for the Knicks as well as some not so nice. Chandler is a very underated player who sometimes forced shots due to never seeing the ball after it went to either Harrington, Lee, Duhon or Nate Robinson. Chandler is a very good defender who would thrive with a PG who push the ball.1. Gallinari is on the verge of stardom- he's 6-10 and he couldn't average 5 rebounds for one of the worst shooting teams in the league. The Knicks were desperate for scoring and he could barely manage 15 points on 42% shooting. That's not the sign of a future star.Please elaborate on which part is funny. I dont believe I said anything outlandish such as Gallinari is the next Dirk or Tony Douglas is the next Gary Payton.
2. Wilson Chandler is a good scorer
- 15 points on 45% over the last 2 years. That would be fine for a playoff team, but for a bottom feeder it's downright meaningless. There are 300 guys in the league who could score 15 points a game on a 25-win team.
3. Wilson Chandler is an able defender
- not according to 82games.com.
4. Tony Douglas is an able passer
- he averaged 3.7 assists per 36 minutes played.
5. Tony Douglas is an able defender
- 1.4 steals per 36 minutes played. 82games.com is not impressed.
6. Tony Douglas would not look overmatched against Mo Williams
- Does this count as overmatched?
7. Bill Walker could possibly develop
- put him on a playoff team and he averages 3 points and 2 rebounds. But hey, he was awesome in the D-league.
8. Earl Barron could possibly develop
- he's been around for 5 years and his career averages are 6 points, 4 rebounds, and 39% shooting. No player in the history of the NBA has ever "developed" after being that terrible for 5 years.
It's more money because of the extra yr. A lot of these guys want shorter contracts or contracts with out clauses after 3 yrs anyways. He'll get more than enough money either way.
I feel the same way about the Knicks. All Walsh could do was put the team in position to sign two top max players, if they decide not to come then please do not overspend like a 10 yr old with $50 burning a hole in his pocket and spend it on junk.
Britney Spears
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I actually agree that if the Knicks play their cards right, it's a better destination for James from a talent standpoint. Long term, who do the Cavs really have?
I am not much of a Varejao fan, but he is their best piece other than LeBron. That says a lot.
Mo is a shooter only and overpaid. Not terrible, but not really anything to build around.
Jamison is ancient, and extremely overpaid. This was a desperate attempt to salvage a crummy roster, and it backfired IMO.
Other than that, there are nothing but medium/low level filler players.
Gotta chuckle at Earl Barron and Tony Douglas being thrown out there as valuable pieces to entice LeBron James though. The reason the Knicks are a good fit, is they have enough money to actually sign another good player. Gallinari is a very good shooter. Probably a good fit with LeBron James (who isn't I guess?), but it's not like he's adding much else.
I am not much of a Varejao fan, but he is their best piece other than LeBron. That says a lot.
Mo is a shooter only and overpaid. Not terrible, but not really anything to build around.
Jamison is ancient, and extremely overpaid. This was a desperate attempt to salvage a crummy roster, and it backfired IMO.
Other than that, there are nothing but medium/low level filler players.
Gotta chuckle at Earl Barron and Tony Douglas being thrown out there as valuable pieces to entice LeBron James though. The reason the Knicks are a good fit, is they have enough money to actually sign another good player. Gallinari is a very good shooter. Probably a good fit with LeBron James (who isn't I guess?), but it's not like he's adding much else.
Gallinari is also a very good defender. He will flourish with real NBA players playing with him instead of the scrap heap he's previously played with. I don't view Douglass has a starting PG on a championship level team, but he's great on defense and is more of a combo guard who comes off the bench and energizes his team.
Juxtatarot
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RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Lou Williams is next - hopefully for a late first rounder.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
He's not going to get a max contract, is he?unsure
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Is Nash to NYC a realistic possibility? A Nash/Lebron team could be real fun to watch.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
What about someone like Joe Johnson on the Celtics (assuming Ray Allen leaves)? He doesn't seem like a true #1 guy to me, but in that lineup he would be awesome IMO.
Unless the C's trade someone for him, I don't see how they could add him.
Britney Spears
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Sign & trade Ray Allen maybe?Celts are willing to spend into the luxury tax. They had the 2nd highest salary this year (only the Lakers spent more).If Pierce restructures his contract, I think they could do something. They have a ton of guys coming off the books.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Nope. All NBA contracts are based on USD. The Raptors players get paid in USD
Kev4029
Footballguy
Is there such a thing as restructuring a contract in the nba? And I don't see a possibility of a sign and trade involving allen and jj, their 10-11 salaries are going to be too far apart.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
Pierce has a 1 year player option. He can opt out (like Dirk did) and sign a longer term contract with a lower cap number for next year.
Even if Pierce doesn't pick up his option, they'd only be $14m under the cap. I'm a little hazy on what the rules for re-signing players is, but I'm pretty sure they couldn't just use that $ to sign Johnson and still retain Pierce's Bird rights.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i love this guy coming into the league next year. he should be a lot of fun to watch.
Kev4029
Footballguy
You're right, to make a signing with that money (150% percent previous years salary up to max salary is what an above salary+ player's salary hold is) you must renounce their bird rights.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
I am just making up ideas. I hope you realize that.
It made enough sense for me to look up the salary numbers.
The situation merely highlights what a tough spot the Celtics are in going forward in terms of improving the roster.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Serious question, do you watch any Knick games other than when they played the Lakers or Cavs on national tv? Stats are cool and all but they dont tell the whole story. Ive watched these players for a majority of the past couple of seasons and I realize the Knicks are everyones favorite whipping boy but they do actually have some talent. But go ahead and link to your stats and discount their roster. I would be willing to bet that your statistics didnt predict the success of Crawford, or Nate Robinson when they switched teams.Mr. Retukes said:1. Gallinari is on the verge of stardom- he's 6-10 and he couldn't average 5 rebounds for one of the worst shooting teams in the league. The Knicks were desperate for scoring and he could barely manage 15 points on 42% shooting. That's not the sign of a future star.simmonjm said:Please elaborate on which part is funny. I dont believe I said anything outlandish such as Gallinari is the next Dirk or Tony Douglas is the next Gary Payton.Mr. Retukes said:simmonjm said:
2. Wilson Chandler is a good scorer
- 15 points on 45% over the last 2 years. That would be fine for a playoff team, but for a bottom feeder it's downright meaningless. There are 300 guys in the league who could score 15 points a game on a 25-win team.
3. Wilson Chandler is an able defender
- not according to 82games.com.
4. Tony Douglas is an able passer
- he averaged 3.7 assists per 36 minutes played. :(
5. Tony Douglas is an able defender
- 1.4 steals per 36 minutes played. 82games.com is not impressed.
6. Tony Douglas would not look overmatched against Mo Williams
- Does this count as overmatched?
7. Bill Walker could possibly develop
- put him on a playoff team and he averages 3 points and 2 rebounds. But hey, he was awesome in the D-league.
8. Earl Barron could possibly develop
- he's been around for 5 years and his career averages are 6 points, 4 rebounds, and 39% shooting. No player in the history of the NBA has ever "developed" after being that terrible for 5 years.
I agree after his playoff performance he will get a max deal from someone such as NY or Miami.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
LeBron: Raptors
Wade: Pacers
Amare: Timberwolves
Bosh: Wizards
Dirk: Kings
Boozer: Clippers
Joe Johnson: Bucks
Wade: Pacers
Amare: Timberwolves
Bosh: Wizards
Dirk: Kings
Boozer: Clippers
Joe Johnson: Bucks
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