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Another plane crash: Germanwings A320 (1 Viewer)

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Went down in the French Alps with 144 crew and 6 passengers on board. Not expecting any survivors. The French Alps strike me as a very bad place to crash a plane.

What's up with all the plane crashes in the last year or so? I feel like there have been a lot more than usual...or maybe it's just that CNN has really taken to covering them with larger fonts...

 
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ugh. 16 kids. 150 total.

from Reuters:

(Reuters) - An Airbus operated by Lufthansa's Germanwings budget airline crashed in a remote area of the French Alps on Tuesday, killing all 150 people on board including 16 schoolchildren.

Germanwings confirmed its flight 4U 9525 from Barcelona to Duesseldorf went down with 144 passengers and six crew on board.

One of the plane's black box recorders has been found and will be examined immediately, France's interior minister said. In Washington, the White House said the crash did not appear to have been caused by a terrorist attack.

The airline believed there were 67 Germans on the flight. Spain's deputy prime minister said 45 passengers had Spanish names. One Belgian was aboard.

Also among the victims were 16 children and two teachers from the Joseph-Koenig-Gymnasium high school in the town of Haltern am See in northwest Germany, a spokeswoman said.

Investigators described a scene of devastation where the airliner crashed. Aerial photographs showed smoldering wreckage and a piece of the fuselage with six windows.

"We saw an aircraft that had literally been ripped apart, the bodies are in a state of destruction, there is not one intact piece of wing or fuselage," Bruce Robin, prosecutor for the city of Marseille, told Reuters in Seyne-les-Alpes after flying over the crash zone in a helicopter.

French police at the crash site said no one survived and it would take days to recover the bodies due to difficult terrain, snow and incoming storms.

Police said search teams would stay overnight at altitude.

"We are still searching. It's unlikely any bodies will be airlifted until Wednesday," regional police chief David Galtier told Reuters.

In Paris, Prime Minister Manuel Valls told parliament: "A helicopter managed to land (by the crash site) and has confirmed that unfortunately there were no survivors."

It was the first crash of a large passenger jet on French soil since the Concorde disaster just outside Paris nearly 15 years ago. The A320 is a workhorse of worldwide aviation fleets. They are the world’s most used passenger jets and have a good though not unblemished safety record.

SHARP DESCENT

Germanwings said the plane started descending one minute after reaching its cruising height and continued losing altitude for eight minutes.

"The aircraft's contact with French radar, French air traffic controllers, ended at 10.53 am at an altitude of about 6,000 feet. The plane then crashed," Germanwings' Managing Director Thomas Winkelmann told a news conference.

Winkelmann also said that routine maintenance of the aircraft was performed by Lufthansa on Monday.

Experts said that while the Airbus had descended rapidly, its rate of descent did not suggest it had simply fallen out of the sky.

France's DGAC aviation authority said air traffic controllers initiated distress procedures after they lost contact with the Airbus, which did not issue a distress call.

"The aircraft did not itself make a distress call but it was the combination of the loss of radio contact and the aircraft's descent which led the controller to implement the distress phase," a DGAC spokesman said.

The aircraft came down in an alpine region known for skiing, hiking and rafting, but which is hard for rescue services to reach.

The search and recovery effort based itself in a gymnasium in the village of Seyne-les-Alpes, which has a small private aerodrome nearby.

Transport Minister Alain Vidalies told local media: "This is a zone covered in snow, inaccessible to vehicles but which helicopters will be able to fly over."

But as helicopters and emergency vehicles assembled, the weather was reported to be closing in.

STORMS, SNOW, CLOUD

“There will be a lot of cloud cover this afternoon, with local storms, snow above 1,800 meters and relatively low clouds. That will not help the helicopters in their work,” an official from the local weather center told Reuters.

Lufthansa Chief Executive Carsten Spohr, who planned to go to the crash site, spoke of a "dark day for Lufthansa".

"My deepest sympathy goes to the families and friends of our passengers and crew," Lufthansa said on Twitter, citing Spohr.

The airliner crashed about 100 km (65 miles) north of the French Riviera city of Nice. French and German accident investigators were heading for the crash site in Meolans-Revel, a remote and sparsely inhabited commune, not far from the Italian border.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she would travel there on Wednesday. Germanwings and the Catalan regional government were preparing to take Spanish relatives to the site.

Family members arrived at Barcelona’s El Prat airport, many crying and with arms around each others’ shoulders, accompanied by police and airport staff.

In Llinars del Valles, the Spanish village that hosted the German schoolchildren, Mayor Marti Pujol said the whole village was distraught.

"The families knew each other," he told Reuters. "The parents had been to see them off at 6 this morning."

King Felipe and Queen Letizia of Spain called off their state visit to France in a sign of mourning for the victims. They had arrived in Paris minutes after the crash happened.

Airbus confirmed that the plane was 24 years old, having first been delivered to Germanwings parent Lufthansa in 1991. It was powered by engines made by CFM International, a joint venture between General Electric and France's Safran.

(Additional reporting by Robert Hetz, John Irish, Nicolas Bertin, Gregory Blachier, Tim Hepher, Elena Gyldenkerne, Robert-Jan Bartunek, Matthias Inverardi and Sabine Siebold; writing by Giles Elgood; editing by Mark John and Peter Millership)
 
Great minds think alike...I posted about this at like 9:30, but I've gotten ZERO replies. I guess plane crashes aren't really news anymore. Thanks Al Quaeda Air.

See mine here. TIA.
guess how well the search function worked...
:goodposting:

I end up using Google and how I think the thread name is spelled at this point.

Sweet upgrade.
It's not finished yet, guy. They've only been working on it for a couple of months now. Let's cut them some slack. :rant:

 
I was about to come on this thread and ##### about how you guys posted in El Floppo's thread but ignored mine...then I read the thread and realized that both of them have about the same amount of "content." :lmao:

 
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Went down in the French Alps with 144 crew and 6 passengers on board. Not expecting any survivors. The French Alps strike me as a very bad place to crash a plane.

What's up with all the plane crashes in the last year or so? I feel like there have been a lot more than usual...or maybe it's just that CNN has really taken to covering them with larger fonts...
Whoa.... That's service right there.

 
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Went down in the French Alps with 144 crew and 6 passengers on board. Not expecting any survivors. The French Alps strike me as a very bad place to crash a plane.

What's up with all the plane crashes in the last year or so? I feel like there have been a lot more than usual...or maybe it's just that CNN has really taken to covering them with larger fonts...
Whoa.... That's service right there.
Ha Ha. Mis-type before my morning coffee.. :coffee:

 
Images of that crash site are pretty horrific. completely destroyed.

Has there been any new news regarding possible aliens terrorists reasons for the crash?

 
Images of that crash site are pretty horrific. completely destroyed.

Has there been any new news regarding possible aliens terrorists reasons for the crash?
Nope. The one of the inflight recorders has been found and the voice stuff downloaded with no answers yet.

It appears there was a controlled descent, as if for landing, just way, way early

ETA: only one recorder found, contents downloaded but not analyzed. The other one, containing telemetry info and recordings from the instruments is still being sought.

 
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Just for my own information, if the pilots had passed out due to decompression, can I assume that everyone on the plane was unconscious well before the plane crashed?

 
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Went down in the French Alps with 144 crew and 6 passengers on board. Not expecting any survivors. The French Alps strike me as a very bad place to crash a plane.

What's up with all the plane crashes in the last year or so? I feel like there have been a lot more than usual...or maybe it's just that CNN has really taken to covering them with larger fonts...
Where would you recommend a good place to crash a plane? ;)

 
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Went down in the French Alps with 144 crew and 6 passengers on board. Not expecting any survivors. The French Alps strike me as a very bad place to crash a plane.

What's up with all the plane crashes in the last year or so? I feel like there have been a lot more than usual...or maybe it's just that CNN has really taken to covering them with larger fonts...
Where would you recommend a good place to crash a plane? ;)
I'm going to go with "the Hudson River" as my stock answer...

 
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Went down in the French Alps with 144 crew and 6 passengers on board. Not expecting any survivors. The French Alps strike me as a very bad place to crash a plane.

What's up with all the plane crashes in the last year or so? I feel like there have been a lot more than usual...or maybe it's just that CNN has really taken to covering them with larger fonts...
Where would you recommend a good place to crash a plane? ;)
I'm going to go with "the Hudson River" as my stock answer...
SURVEY SAYS......

DING!!!

Number 1 answer on the board! Play or pass?

 
Do you see what happens, Larry?! Do you see what happens, Larry, when you find a stranger in the Alps?!

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Just for my own information, if the pilots had passed out due to decompression, can I assume that everyone on the plane was unconscious well before the plane crashed?
Depends I guess. In a "normal" situation, both the pilot and the passengers should have had access to oxygen. That's why those masks drop down. If that's what happened, then either:

-The decompression event damaged the oxygen supply, in which case, yes, most likely everyone was unconscious

-The decompression event damaged the pilot's cabin oxygen supply (but they typically have aux oxygen in a tank), and the passengers might have had access to their masks

-The decompression event was explosive in nature, which could've completely incapacitated everyone very quickly...I'd say this is doubtful. It's a rare event, and contrasts with auto-pilot doing a slow descent...somebody had to program that. Also, this would probably mean there is debris elsewhere from the decompression event as it would almost definately be structurally damaging.

I find it curious that in the Malaysia air crash, they jumped right to pilot suicide/terrorism so quickly, but in this one, they haven't really gone far down that route, yet both have minimal communication and similar "not sure what happened" circumstances.

ETA: Man...there's substance in this thread.

 
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Just for my own information, if the pilots had passed out due to decompression, can I assume that everyone on the plane was unconscious well before the plane crashed?
Depends I guess. In a "normal" situation, both the pilot and the passengers should have had access to oxygen. That's why those masks drop down. If that's what happened, then either:

-The decompression event damaged the oxygen supply, in which case, yes, most likely everyone was unconscious

-The decompression event damaged the pilot's cabin oxygen supply (but they typically have aux oxygen in a tank), and the passengers might have had access to their masks

-The decompression event was explosive in nature, which could've completely incapacitated everyone very quickly...I'd say this is doubtful. It's a rare event, and contrasts with auto-pilot doing a slow descent...somebody had to program that. Also, this would probably mean there is debris elsewhere from the decompression event as it would almost definately be structurally damaging.

I find it curious that in the Malaysia air crash, they jumped right to pilot suicide/terrorism so quickly, but in this one, they haven't really gone far down that route, yet both have minimal communication and similar "not sure what happened" circumstances.

ETA: Man...there's substance in this thread.
It's less likely this plane was piloted by brown people.

 
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Went down in the French Alps with 144 crew and 6 passengers on board. Not expecting any survivors. The French Alps strike me as a very bad place to crash a plane.

What's up with all the plane crashes in the last year or so? I feel like there have been a lot more than usual...or maybe it's just that CNN has really taken to covering them with larger fonts...
Where would you recommend a good place to crash a plane? ;)
I'm going to go with "the Hudson River" as my stock answer...
That was a text book landing..not a crash. Sully!!

 
Leading theory is decompression. The pilot set the auto-pilot to descend, but passed out, and the plane just descend until it hit the mountain. Makes sense given the controlled nature of the descent, but I still feel like a mayday would've been issued.
Or a marchday.
the jokes in my thread HAVE to be better than this.
Probably not...because Sheik is the one making them in both threads.

j/k GB :hophead:

 

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