Sarnoff
Footballguy
All voting is a fraud. Wake up, sheeple.@ 10,000,000 votes fraudulently cast.
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How much Voter Fraud is Happening (1 Viewer)
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One is enough. I don't need to play stupid tricks like skewing polls in order to get my point across.How many aliai can TPW possibly have?
10,000,000 is way too high. I could believe 100,000+ in a major national election.
Mister Martie
Footballguy
Dynamite stuff, videoguy.All voting is a fraud. Wake up, sheeple.
Homer J Simpson
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Of course you could.One is enough. I don't need to play stupid tricks like skewing polls in order to get my point across.How many aliai can TPW possibly have?
10,000,000 is way too high. I could believe 100,000+ in a major national election.
fatness
Footballguy
I did some calculations involving bandwidth, network transmission times, IP allocations, manual dexterity, hand/eye coordination, and the ability to convey comprehensible thoughts and arrived at the maximum: 3How many aliai can TPW possibly have?
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Winners are predetermined by the illuminati. Votes aren't even really counted. It's true.Dynamite stuff, videoguy.All voting is a fraud. Wake up, sheeple.
It may sound like the rantings of a lunatic. But we already owe apologies to everyone ever institutionalized for thinking the government was spying on them. The insanity of today is the fact of tomorrow.
And once the truth is revealed, people will react the same way they already have... Not caring. Brave New World.
There were approximately 125,000,000 votes cast in the 2012 presidential election. 100,000 / 125,000,000 = 0.0008 or .08% of all votes cast.Of course you could.One is enough. I don't need to play stupid tricks like skewing polls in order to get my point across.How many aliai can TPW possibly have?
10,000,000 is way too high. I could believe 100,000+ in a major national election.
I know mathematics comprehension and logic are in short supply here but how is saying less than 1% of all votes cast could have been fraudulent in any way unreasonable?
Rayderr
Footballguy
Please link to me saying that there were 10million fraudulent votes.I don't know. People, like you, seemed to swallow the hook pretty hard on this one.shtick votes.
fatness
Footballguy
They're in short supply all right.
There's an earlier post in the topic about one big big accusation of voter fraud that turned out to be 0.00006% of votes cast.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=437780&p=12491535
Nice cherry picking. 0.00006% of one state's results. The undead voters in Cook County alone could blow that number out of the water.They're in short supply all right.
There's an earlier post in the topic about one big big accusation of voter fraud that turned out to be 0.00006% of votes cast.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=437780&p=12491535
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Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Lawdy look at all dem big numbahs!!!There were approximately 125,000,000 votes cast in the 2012 presidential election. 100,000 / 125,000,000 = 0.0008 or .08% of all votes cast.Of course you could.One is enough. I don't need to play stupid tricks like skewing polls in order to get my point across.How many aliai can TPW possibly have?
10,000,000 is way too high. I could believe 100,000+ in a major national election.
I know mathematics comprehension and logic are in short supply here but how is saying less than 1% of all votes cast could have been fraudulent in any way unreasonable?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
My bank has something like 175 billion under account. $1,000,000 is only 1/175,000th of that amount -- only .0000057% of the bank's holdings. Why is it so unreasonable to think the bank made an error and owes me a mil?
Rayderr
Footballguy
You were doing so well. The correct analogy would be "why is it unreasonable to think that my bank has lost $1,000,000 due to fraud?" Given that there's around $190billion in credit card fraud each year, they probably have.
fatness
Footballguy
You asked a question and I referred you to numbers from the topic.TPW said:TPW said:Nice cherry picking. 0.00006% of one state's results. The undead voters in Cook County alone could blow that number out of the water.fatness said:They're in short supply all right.TPW said:
There's an earlier post in the topic about one big big accusation of voter fraud that turned out to be 0.00006% of votes cast.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=437780&p=12491535
You pulled numbers out of your ###, and imagination, if different.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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I didn't choose that analogy because credit card fraud is something that actual happens. There's evidence of it and everything.Rayderr said:
The missing money in my account? No evidence at all. But boy those numbers are so big I just know I should be rich.
One of these things is exactly like 'voter fraud'.
Rayderr
Footballguy
Well, there has been evidence of voter fraud. Plenty of links to it in this thread. People have actually been convicted and sent to jail for voter fraud. So, it does happen.
Cute. I can't help but wonder if you progressives who now claim the American voting system is pristine were singing the same tune during the infamous Florida recount of 2000 or screaming "VOTER SUPPRESSION" by Diebold, Inc. after supposed irregularities in Ohio in 2004.
Voter fraud is just as real as your own hypocrisy.
Todd Andrews
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Homer J Simpson
I don't push
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Not necessarily, but I'm not sure quoting a RINO is the best way to prove any point concerning the GOP.
drummer
Footballguy
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I really don't understand the logic in this post. Ignoring the specifics of MT's post, and what funds can be used for what purposes, your post seems to imply that you feel governments shouldn't be able to create new laws to combat potential voter fraud, and they also shouldn't be allowed to examine whether voter fraud is occurring?
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Rich, it should be clear now that any Republican effort connected to 'vote fraud' has as its ultimate purpose denying the vote to Democratic constituents. Because there is no vote fraud to fight. And to the degree that a few dozen bad votes are found from time to time none of the proposed solutions would prevent them.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Nice work, MaxKooK: Anyone who is in favor of Americans voting cant possibly be a Good Republican.
Way to keep the issue in focus for us.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Rich Conway
Footballguy
What GOP legislators actually do and how they do it has zero bearing on my philosophical arguments for voter ID. I'm in favor of voter ID laws because I believe it's important to prevent voter fraud, and prevent the perception of possible voter fraud. There are lots of laws of which I'm theoretically in favor, with the assumption that it is possible to implement such laws without downside, despite how lawmakers actually take advantage of those laws and introduce downsides. In other words, stupid implementations of certain laws don't alter my belief that intelligent implementations of similar laws are both possible and desirable.
That said, what I don't understand is your apparent assertion that governments shouldn't even be allowed to investigate voter fraud simply because (you believe) it's rare. That seems kind of like saying we shouldn't vaccinate kids for polio because hardly anyone gets polio any more.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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I didn't say that. If legislatures want to waste money looking for something that doesn't exist...
They do dumber things.The issue is that the entire 'vote fraud' thing is a hoax. And the remedies (which don't actually remedy the handful of 'fraud' cases) are all designed to disenfranchise millions of Democratic voters.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I edited my post a bit to make my position on voter ID laws more clear: "In other words, stupid implementations of certain laws don't alter my belief that intelligent implementations of similar laws are both possible and desirable." Hell, our tax code should be #1 on that list. Our federal tax code is colossally stupid and politically self-serving, yet I'd argue that intelligent tax codes are both possible and desirable.I didn't say that. If legislatures want to waste money looking for something that doesn't exist...
The issue is that the entire 'vote fraud' thing is a hoax. And the remedies (which don't actually remedy the handful of 'fraud' cases) are all designed to disenfranchise millions of Democratic voters.
Re: your original post to which I replied, I just took it as you implying they shouldn't be allowed to investigate voter fraud since they never find anything significant. Seemed like flawed logic to me.
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MaxThreshold
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
LOL!
Crazy. So god damn crazy.
Crazy. So god damn crazy.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Who's denying Americans to vote? That's a lie propagated by the left. Fools like you will fall for it every single time.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Simpleton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbPBJtfaejI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHxzZTgIRKU
Thats just the tiniest of tastes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbPBJtfaejI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHxzZTgIRKU
Thats just the tiniest of tastes.
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BigSteelThrill
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Carolina...
Florida Republicans Admit Voter Suppression Was The Goal Of New Election Laws
Floridians endured election chaos and marathon voting lines this year, largely thanks to reduced early voting hours, voter purges, and voter registration restrictions pushed by Republican legislators. In an exclusive report by the Palm Beach Post, several prominent Florida Republicans are now admitting that these election law changes were geared toward suppressing minority and Democratic votes.
Wayne Bertsch, who handles local and legislative races for Republicans, said he knew targeting Democrats was the goal.
- The end of pre-registration for 16 & 17 year olds
- A ban on paid voter registration drives
- Elimination of same day voter registration
- A provision allowing voters to be challenged by any registered voter of the county in which they vote rather than just their precinct
- A week sliced off Early Voting
- Elimination of straight party ticket voting
- A provision making the state’s presidential primary date a function of the primary date in South Carolina
- A provision calling for a study (rather than a mandate) of electronic candidate filing
- An increase in the maximum campaign contribution to $5,000 (the limit will continue to increase every two years with the Consumer Price Index from the Bureau of Labor Statistics)
- A provision weakening disclosure requirements for ”independent expenditure” committees
- Authorization of vigilante poll observers, lots of them, with expanded range of interference
- An expansion of the scope of who may examine registration records and challenge voters
- A repeal of out-of-precinct voting
- A repeal of the current mandate for high-school registration drives
- Elimination of flexibility in opening early voting sites at different hours within a county
- A provision making it more difficult to add satellite polling sites for the elderly or voters with disabilities
- New limits on who can assist a voter adjudicated to be incompetent by court
- The repeal of three public financing programs
- The repeal of disclosure requirements under “candidate specific communications.”
Florida Republicans Admit Voter Suppression Was The Goal Of New Election Laws
Floridians endured election chaos and marathon voting lines this year, largely thanks to reduced early voting hours, voter purges, and voter registration restrictions pushed by Republican legislators. In an exclusive report by the Palm Beach Post, several prominent Florida Republicans are now admitting that these election law changes were geared toward suppressing minority and Democratic votes.
Wayne Bertsch, who handles local and legislative races for Republicans, said he knew targeting Democrats was the goal.
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Koya
Footballguy
The Republican Party would also have far more appeal to many (myself included) if there were more thinking along these lines.proninja said:We need more politicians like this
Koya
Footballguy
Which is exactly why people like me have to choose for a L or I if possible or by default reluctantly vote dem.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
So...just to be clear...when the GOP starts thinking like Democrats then they will have more appeal to you? Why not just continue to vote for Democrats?The Republican Party would also have far more appeal to many (myself included) if there were more thinking along these lines.proninja said:We need more politicians like this
Koya
Footballguy
Those silly fools who think these efforts are only out in place to slant the voting process in favor of the right. Silly stupid fools.
I'd say that the fools are the ones, like Max, who don't recognize or admit the truth. But they are hardly fools. They are hardened ideologues who put their own party and political position above the very tenets of what our nation, at it's very root, stands for.
So maybe the left are fools (and admittedly they often are). Those who push to continue these anti-American tactics of voter suppression are cunning. They are cd heated and in my opinion another example of unpatriotic (go ahead Tim, tell me how I'm wrong to call a spade a spade when a large group wants only to suppress the opposing viewpoints ability to engage in our democratic process) vitriol that continues to do real harm to our nation and out future.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Quit. Being. Evil.So...just to be clear...when the GOP starts thinking like Democrats then they will have more appeal to you? Why not just continue to vote for Democrats?The Republican Party would also have far more appeal to many (myself included) if there were more thinking along these lines.proninja said:We need more politicians like this
That's it.
Why? Illinois had a primary on Tuesday. There were several Republicans worthy of a vote. And there were several I would never vote for. Abandoning the party isn't the solution when the Democrats are the only other real option.Which is exactly why people like me have to choose for a L or I if possible or by default reluctantly vote dem.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Well, that's the whole problem here, everyone has their own version of "the truth". You seem to think all of those bullet points constitute suppression, whereas conservatives see it as minimizing the risk of fraud.
The fact that you call it the "the truth" doesn't make it so. It's YOUR truth, which may not necessarily correspond to the actual truth.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
LOL.
"Own version of the truth."
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lets debate "truth"
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"Own version of the truth."
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MaxThreshold
Footballguy
A good point here by Christo.Why? Illinois had a primary on Tuesday. There were several Republicans worthy of a vote. And there were several I would never vote for. Abandoning the party isn't the solution when the Democrats are the only other real option.Which is exactly why people like me have to choose for a L or I if possible or by default reluctantly vote dem.
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