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How much Voter Fraud is Happening (2 Viewers)

Which is worse / which is MORE UNJUST?

  • An illegitimate vote being counted

    Votes: 73 27.4%

  • A legitimate vote not being counted

    Votes: 193 72.6%
  • Total voters
    266
GroveDiesel said:
If you have a claim of fraud, please check this great unrolled Twitter thread first to see if it’s already been debunked. There’s dozens of fraud claims that have made the social media rounds that this guy has easily debunked.

If you come into this thread and post something that this guy has already debunked, that will be a sign to everyone else that you don’t care about the truth or anyone else’s time and that your posting can safely be ignored. Fair warning.
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I didnt check it out, but you're telling me a guy on Twitter is debunking?

He's the key to whether an investigation should occur?

 
Not one single vote is a fraud. They were all filled out in person somewhere with people from both sides of the aisle watching closely like they were when I voted 1 week early here in Florida. That's how the rest of the country voted, right? 

If you wouldn't mail a package out at Christmas thru the USPS then why oh why would folks think they can handle an election? FED EX and UPS are the premium leaders in shipping and receiving for a reason. 

But no, there couldn't be mail fraud, that's not a thing in America, is it? Are there laws about mail fraud? Because usually they don't create laws when there isn't a need to do so. Just like if you could trust most humans you wouldn't need the Police Dept, right?

 
GroveDiesel said:
So far he’s provided solid evidence against every claim. And so far you have failed to even specify a single claim. I’m guessing you didn’t even bother clicking the link to see what he said. 
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I don't think I'm ready to accept "evidence" from a guy on Twitter about possible widespread fraud.

Everybody thinks they have evidence.

It'll be vetted.

 
I saw a long time election attorney for the GOP on tv this morning, and he said he has not seen any evidence of fraud, they won’t be able to document any cases of fraud after the fact (if there even was any), and any such lawsuits will quickly be thrown out. He said there is no reason for any of this to be heard by, reach, or be adjudicated by the SCOTUS. Basically, he commended the states for following their tried and true processes and procedures just like any other election and Trump basically has no legal standing on a court battle. 

 
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Sad thread from the TCP center in Detroit, where:

>>Challenge every single ballot. I know this because I overheard their organizers pass on the new message. They didnt even pretend to have a reason for doing so, just repeated “I challenge this ballot; I challenge that ballot” over and over again as the poll workers tried to count...

Black poll workers just trying to do their gd jobs while white MI GOP challengers hovered over them, yelling at them that they’re wrong, doing a bad job, or committing crimes...

The harassment and intimidation — both from the GOP challengers in the room and the GOP supporters banging on the windows trying to get in — is seared onto my brain. Security guards had to escort us out a side entrance so we could leave the building safely... <<

https://mobile.twitter.com/juliecmoroney/status/1324558603961991169

 
SoBeDad said:
Sad thread from the TCP center in Detroit, where:

>>Challenge every single ballot. I know this because I overheard their organizers pass on the new message. They didnt even pretend to have a reason for doing so, just repeated “I challenge this ballot; I challenge that ballot” over and over again as the poll workers tried to count...

Black poll workers just trying to do their gd jobs while white MI GOP challengers hovered over them, yelling at them that they’re wrong, doing a bad job, or committing crimes...

The harassment and intimidation — both from the GOP challengers in the room and the GOP supporters banging on the windows trying to get in — is seared onto my brain. Security guards had to escort us out a side entrance so we could leave the building safely... <<

https://mobile.twitter.com/juliecmoroney/status/1324558603961991169
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Two issues here...the nonsense of the challengers and bringing race into it...both are pathetic.

 
SoBeDad said:
Sad thread from the TCP center in Detroit, where:

>>Challenge every single ballot. I know this because I overheard their organizers pass on the new message. They didnt even pretend to have a reason for doing so, just repeated “I challenge this ballot; I challenge that ballot” over and over again as the poll workers tried to count...

Black poll workers just trying to do their gd jobs while white MI GOP challengers hovered over them, yelling at them that they’re wrong, doing a bad job, or committing crimes...

The harassment and intimidation — both from the GOP challengers in the room and the GOP supporters banging on the windows trying to get in — is seared onto my brain. Security guards had to escort us out a side entrance so we could leave the building safely... <<

https://mobile.twitter.com/juliecmoroney/status/1324558603961991169
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Very sad...people just doing their jobs getting caught up in that mess.

That isn't "law and order"...its straight up awful.

We are going to get to the point where all of these places are going to need federal judges and armed guards to get rid of those types of things...there is no place for that.

And of course...doubtful we hear much from those screaming fraud and illegal votes on behavior like that.

 
sho nuff said:
Very sad...people just doing their jobs getting caught up in that mess.

That isn't "law and order"...its straight up awful.

We are going to get to the point where all of these places are going to need federal judges and armed guards to get rid of those types of things...there is no place for that.

And of course...doubtful we hear much from those screaming fraud and illegal votes on behavior like that.
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Agreed, it's embarrassing...feel bad for these people much like I did for the people who lost their businesses or had to board them up this summer.

 
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Bringing it back to Florida. We had 20+ early voting sites for about 13 days in my county, I think most were drop off sites for VBM ballots. These sites provided good temp jobs for lots of people. And VBM ballots were being reviewed and counted. And "cured" by some organisations. And a tally was ready election night. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Not one single vote is a fraud. They were all filled out in person somewhere with people from both sides of the aisle watching closely like they were when I voted 1 week early here in Florida. That's how the rest of the country voted, right? 

If you wouldn't mail a package out at Christmas thru the USPS then why oh why would folks think they can handle an election? FED EX and UPS are the premium leaders in shipping and receiving for a reason. 

But no, there couldn't be mail fraud, that's not a thing in America, is it? Are there laws about mail fraud? Because usually they don't create laws when there isn't a need to do so. Just like if you could trust most humans you wouldn't need the Police Dept, right?
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This was cute.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Not one single vote is a fraud. They were all filled out in person somewhere with people from both sides of the aisle watching closely like they were when I voted 1 week early here in Florida. That's how the rest of the country voted, right? 

If you wouldn't mail a package out at Christmas thru the USPS then why oh why would folks think they can handle an election? FED EX and UPS are the premium leaders in shipping and receiving for a reason. 

But no, there couldn't be mail fraud, that's not a thing in America, is it? Are there laws about mail fraud? Because usually they don't create laws when there isn't a need to do so. Just like if you could trust most humans you wouldn't need the Police Dept, right?
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Mail in voting has been around forever.  Did you ever ##### about this before 2016?  Or is it just not on the up & up for this election?

 
Chaz McNulty said:
Mail in voting has been around forever.  Did you ever ##### about this before 2016?  Or is it just not on the up & up for this election?
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Been doing mail in ballots in Florida for about 20 years now. I believe that's where MOP currently resides.

 
Chaz McNulty said:
Mail in voting has been around forever.  
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Yes it has and my Democratic wife was saying that she had thought it was usually reserved for military abroad. She didn't think it was ever supposed to be the way we would handle a bulk of the votes for one side of the aisle. That was never the way it was designed. 

Let's keep it light friend, I was just having a little fun, please tell me that people who suggest that perhaps 90+% of mail in votes for one party in these "Ballot Dumps", this is like the part of the plane named the "Cockpit" it just sounds bad. It fuels a lot of people into doing crazy things. I'm sure it's all legit but you can't be naive to what is being talked about in private circles right now. 

 
Boston said:
Agreed, it's embarrassing...feel bad for these people much like I did for the people who lost their businesses or had to board them up this summer.
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Sure...that sucks too...not really relevant to the discussion, but sure, it sucks.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Chaz McNulty said:
Mail in voting has been around forever.  
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Yes it has and my Democratic wife was saying that she had thought it was usually reserved for military abroad. She didn't think it was ever supposed to be the way we would handle a bulk of the votes for one side of the aisle. That was never the way it was designed. 
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People said the same thing about voting booths 200 years ago, and they said the same thing about voting machines 100 years ago. There is no reason to fear change.

 
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Alex P Keaton said:
Just checking back in here again to see if there is any substantive evidence of fraud yet.   Just like in 2016, the answer appears to still be “no.”
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Especially when the calls about fraud 4 years ago came from Trump himself (and he won!).

You'd think Hillary and the rest of the Democrats would have claimed the same thing, especially when she was heavily favored. For some reason, though, I don't remember that ever happening. People just accepted the results, albeit in disbelief at first.

 
gianmarco said:
Especially when the calls about fraud 4 years ago came from Trump himself (and he won!).

You'd think Hillary and the rest of the Democrats would have claimed the same thing, especially when she was heavily favored. For some reason, though, I don't remember that ever happening. People just accepted the results, albeit in disbelief at first.
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It was the Russian narrative and it was very strong and it continued for all 4 years of his presidency.

 
sho nuff said:
And that is somehow the comp to a sitting POTUS making crazy fraud and rigged allegations without a shred of evidence?
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Instead of the usual nonsense please read carefully...the response was to whether Hill and the dems just accepted the results...the answer to that is no, it was blamed on Russian influence...whether that is legit or not has zero to do with my reply...in all honesty I would rather not do the usual dance with you, I know I sound like a wus but I just don't enjoy any discussions with you...so please get the last word in and move on.

 
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Quick update on one of Trump’s team’s suits they filed. They filed a suit in Michigan to try to stop counting ballots. It’s important to look into these lawsuits as a lawsuit typically indicates that there is strong enough evidence for lawyers and people to be attesting that something should be done.

In this case, the judge ruled against an injunction saying that the evidence cited by Team Trump was hearsay and failed to meet the burden for admitting hearsay as evidence. Basically the only evidence cited by Trump’s lawyers was that and unidentified person told someone else that they overheard another person talking about instructions they were given.  I’m not a lawyer, but uh, that seems about as weak as evidence can get to the point I’m a bit surprised the lawyers aren’t getting referred to the bar for wasting the court’s time with something like that.

 
The Z Machine said:
I bet there are approximately equal number of fraudulent votes for and against Trump, and that number is under 1000 total out of over 100 million cast.
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The thing that makes me laugh so much in all of these accusations. From everything we know about Donald Trump...how far he would go to get an edge in anything...we are to believe if Massive voter fraud was a thing, that he would not be all up in the middle of it?

 
sho nuff said:
The thing that makes me laugh so much in all of these accusations. From everything we know about Donald Trump...how far he would go to get an edge in anything...we are to believe if Massive voter fraud was a thing, that he would not be all up in the middle of it?
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I tend to agree with this....

I don't really know what to believe about anything anymore, but if there is massive voter fraud on one side, I guarantee the other side is doing it too.

 
So there is blatant voter fraud happening in states with Republican Governors, Republican Legislatures, and Republican Secretaries of State? And the Democrats somehow rigged the election to LOSE seats in the House and not take a majority in the Senate? And the lawsuits are getting reviewed by GOP appointed judges? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. 

 
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