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MAC_32
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I'm not getting my hopes up, setting yourself up for disappointment. Washington and Miami signing Peyton and Flynn would be a great start, but that doesn't mean someone from deeper won't be adverse to selling the farm for the pick. In the end I think we'll include our 22, and only our 22, which I don't want us to do, but if another team picking in the 10-20 range offers up 2 #1's and 2 #2's for the pick it may trump us.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Yep, wish it was the other way around because I'm pretty confident Miami is getting one of them. I'm thinking Peyton signs in Arizona and Flynn signs with Miami. If Peyton goes to Miami, I think Washington focuses on RG3 while Flynn goes elsewhere.Washington getting either one of these guys is huge for us.
eric rymer
Footballguy
It would be hard to match 2 #1's and 2 #2's and God knows I don't want us too. I guess if it came down to that it would depend on what the Rams really want. The one thing we can offer over teams in that range is with our pick they can still acquire an elite player at 4. I guess I'd have a hard time seeing a team give up that much. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility though. For some reason I think the Rams end up staying at 2. I think they are dangling this out there in hopes another teams is just so enamored with RG3 that they give up the farm for him. Their needs are an elite weapon at WR for Bradford or an elite LT to protect their franchise in Bradford. Personally, I don't think Blackmon is an elite WR. I like him a lot but not as much as some others. If they trade with us they can most likely still get Blackmon but they have almost no chance to get Kalil. If I were the Rams I would love to know I had the LT spot covered to 10+ years and my QB as well. Just the $0.02 of this knucklehead though. Either way, this is the most exciting offseason I can remember in years. 
While Washington needs an upgrade at QB bad, for the life of me I don't see how the "braintrust" there could try to sign Manning, or why Manning would want to even go there. He is not winning a championship with Washington before he retires. I can actually see someone like the Jets swooping in and getting Manning, since they can offer a realistic chance of getting to the SB.The other thing to keep in mind is that there are more suitors for Manning that Miami and Washington and New York. You also have teams like Seattle and Arizona...those guys are in play for Flynn too. Unfortunately for both Cleveland and Washington, I think RBGIII is going to be expensive. But, if he is a true franchise QB ala Brady, Manning, or Breese, then it's worth multiple #1's over the long haul...
wadegarrett
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Agree...just don't see him going to Washington...no offensive weapons and terrible O-line...he'd get killed there. Think it's Arizona or Miami for him. Some sites saying the Cards may pay Kolb's $7 bonus next week though so who knows.While Washington needs an upgrade at QB bad, for the life of me I don't see how the "braintrust" there could try to sign Manning, or why Manning would want to even go there. He is not winning a championship with Washington before he retires. I can actually see someone like the Jets swooping in and getting Manning, since they can offer a realistic chance of getting to the SB.The other thing to keep in mind is that there are more suitors for Manning that Miami and Washington and New York. You also have teams like Seattle and Arizona...those guys are in play for Flynn too. Unfortunately for both Cleveland and Washington, I think RBGIII is going to be expensive. But, if he is a true franchise QB ala Brady, Manning, or Breese, then it's worth multiple #1's over the long haul...
eric rymer
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I know people have ruled out SF for various reasons but last I checked Alex Smith still has not signed. There is also a rumor floating around that they are willing to give up their 1st for Mike Wallace. Granted that is a lot of IF's but still possible. SF would be in the SB with a healthy Manning. My money is still on Zona or Miami.Agree...just don't see him going to Washington...no offensive weapons and terrible O-line...he'd get killed there. Think it's Arizona or Miami for him. Some sites saying the Cards may pay Kolb's $7 bonus next week though so who knows.While Washington needs an upgrade at QB bad, for the life of me I don't see how the "braintrust" there could try to sign Manning, or why Manning would want to even go there. He is not winning a championship with Washington before he retires. I can actually see someone like the Jets swooping in and getting Manning, since they can offer a realistic chance of getting to the SB.The other thing to keep in mind is that there are more suitors for Manning that Miami and Washington and New York. You also have teams like Seattle and Arizona...those guys are in play for Flynn too. Unfortunately for both Cleveland and Washington, I think RBGIII is going to be expensive. But, if he is a true franchise QB ala Brady, Manning, or Breese, then it's worth multiple #1's over the long haul...
GreatLakesMike
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Scenario:
Browns stay put. Draft their guy with the 4th pick, then no one is left that Heckert likes with Atlanta's pick, so he trades Atlanta's pick to a team that loves one of the guys who fell..... What's a reasonable estimate of what the Browns would get in return for Atlanta's pick?
Browns stay put. Draft their guy with the 4th pick, then no one is left that Heckert likes with Atlanta's pick, so he trades Atlanta's pick to a team that loves one of the guys who fell..... What's a reasonable estimate of what the Browns would get in return for Atlanta's pick?
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I'm sure there are alot of examples of this, but something like a 2013 1st and a 2012 2nd.see: Brady Quinn 2007The other team has to look at it as if they are getting next years 1st round pick a year early...and to do that have to give up a 2nd.
MAC_32
Footballguy
What did the Saints give up for Ingram?
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Same thing.And to get Taylor last year was only 6 spots...27 to 21...and we gave KC #70.
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wadegarrett
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After reading up a bit I guess Washington's O-line is actually pretty decent. Much better than I thought and much better than Arizona's. Grantland guy has this as his favorites to land Manning...Washington 30%Agree...just don't see him going to Washington...no offensive weapons and terrible O-line...he'd get killed there. Think it's Arizona or Miami for him. Some sites saying the Cards may pay Kolb's $7 bonus next week though so who knows.While Washington needs an upgrade at QB bad, for the life of me I don't see how the "braintrust" there could try to sign Manning, or why Manning would want to even go there. He is not winning a championship with Washington before he retires. I can actually see someone like the Jets swooping in and getting Manning, since they can offer a realistic chance of getting to the SB.The other thing to keep in mind is that there are more suitors for Manning that Miami and Washington and New York. You also have teams like Seattle and Arizona...those guys are in play for Flynn too. Unfortunately for both Cleveland and Washington, I think RBGIII is going to be expensive. But, if he is a true franchise QB ala Brady, Manning, or Breese, then it's worth multiple #1's over the long haul...
Miami 24%
NY Jets 15%
Seattle 12%
San Francisco 8%
Arizona 5%
Kansas City 2%
Obviously Manning to Washington and Flynn to Miami is the Browns perfect scenario. Hope it plays out this way.
wadegarrett
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@MaryKayCabot tweets in the last 20 minutes...
wadegarrett
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Peter King on Brandon Weeden...
wadegarrett
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MAC_32
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Weeden? ugh.The next time I see the name Pashos the word cut needs to be next to it.I'm now fully convinced we won't offer any #1's other than the #4 for RG3. If someone else wants him they can get him.
RevDawg
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Why do you say that?
wadegarrett
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eric rymer
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eric rymer
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eric rymer
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especially with the Dolphins not giving any attention to Flynn. Does this say more about Manning or how little Philbin thinks of Flynn.My link
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beer 30
Footballguy
Thanks anyhow
daveR
Footballguy
+1
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Everything is a diversion at this time of the year, but Heckert has proven that he is more than capable of working a draft and drafting quality talent.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
I guess I'm not as down on McCoy as most. I don't think he's been give a fair chance. The guy managed to not be awful with an absolutely awful supporting cast. Seriously... a Swiss cheese offensive line. Horrible WRs. No running game. A converted rookie FB blocking, etc. etc.Sounds like the Skins aren't interested in Flynn.Colt McCoy it is!
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't dislike him, but I'm also wary he'll be given a full chance. I'm not wild about the other QB's in this class, so I'll be back on board with the pla if they wait until day 3 to pick one up. I'm just afraid the Lamonte Family is looking for a reason to replace him and the non Manning/Flynn/RG3 QB's available aren't it.I guess I'm not as down on McCoy as most. I don't think he's been give a fair chance. The guy managed to not be awful with an absolutely awful supporting cast. Seriously... a Swiss cheese offensive line. Horrible WRs. No running game. A converted rookie FB blocking, etc. etc.Sounds like the Skins aren't interested in Flynn.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
I think the Browns can give him a chance by only upgrading a few positions on offense:WR1 - could be FA or maybe Blackmon (if they think he's worth the pick)RT - whoever said, "the next time I hear Tony Pashos's name, it better be followed by 'got cut', was correctRB - becomes a non issue if we resign HillisSure, they could probably use a TE, and a guard, but if they fill the 3 spots above they should be better.The defense is already pretty good. They could use a few upgrades as well (DE, LB, CB2), but they are in much better shape than the offense. I'd hate to give up much to get RG3, only to find out the line still sucks and he doesn't have anybody to throw to.I don't dislike him, but I'm also wary he'll be given a full chance. I'm not wild about the other QB's in this class, so I'll be back on board with the pla if they wait until day 3 to pick one up. I'm just afraid the Lamonte Family is looking for a reason to replace him and the non Manning/Flynn/RG3 QB's available aren't it.I guess I'm not as down on McCoy as most. I don't think he's been give a fair chance. The guy managed to not be awful with an absolutely awful supporting cast. Seriously... a Swiss cheese offensive line. Horrible WRs. No running game. A converted rookie FB blocking, etc. etc.Sounds like the Skins aren't interested in Flynn.
nxmehta
Footballguy
Seriously, can the city of Cleveland please stop freaking out at every word or innuendo that comes out of Berea? WKNR had a collective heart attack when Heckert said that they "weren't going to go crazy" in free agency. Um, guys, that's what they've been saying and doing for months now? And for some reason people equate "crazy" to "signing good players".
They have to play the game right now. Wait until AFTER the draft. Then you can freak out all you want 
nxmehta
Footballguy
It's March 9th. The only thing you should be fully convinced of right now is that the draft hasn't happened yet.
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nxmehta
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The key is to judge the things he does when conditions aren't that bad. When Pashos whiffs on a guy and McCoy gets nailed, sure, can't judge him for that. When Little drops one, that not on McCoy. And the entire running game is obviously not his fault.However, when Colt has time and an open receiver and just misses him, that's on him. When Colt chucks balls deep into obvious double coverage, that's on him. When he has time but panics and tucks it to run, that's on him. When he throws it into the helmet or hands of a jumping lineman who bats it down, that's on him.Now, the number of plays that other people messed up far outnumber McCoy. But, from what I saw, Colt messed up a meaningful percentage of those remaining plays plays where other people were doing the right thing.If we lost the exact same amount of games (even by the same amount of points!), but Colt wasn't making those mistakes, I'd feel a lot better about him. Right now, I don't feel so great. Seriously, I think every single game he had at least one dumb deep ball into obvious double coverage. That's a simple read that a pro should make 99% of the time.I guess I'm not as down on McCoy as most. I don't think he's been give a fair chance. The guy managed to not be awful with an absolutely awful supporting cast. Seriously... a Swiss cheese offensive line. Horrible WRs. No running game. A converted rookie FB blocking, etc. etc.Sounds like the Skins aren't interested in Flynn.
daveR
Footballguy
On the other hand, let's say it's the second half and you're trailing, as poor teams usually are. The situation dictates that ( ala Favre ) you take more chances and make that throw despite the fact that it's low pwrcentage.I was a McCoy apologist until the Pit game on Thursday night. NFLN showed different angles, and Colt missed some open wrs. He has some growing to do. The question is whether or not it's just something every qb has to go through or not. If so, McCoy is experiencing growing pains & you go with it. If not, it's something inherent to him and it's better to cut your losses & move on. Hopefully the people in charge are much better suited to make that judgment than you & me.The key is to judge the things he does when conditions aren't that bad. When Pashos whiffs on a guy and McCoy gets nailed, sure, can't judge him for that. When Little drops one, that not on McCoy. And the entire running game is obviously not his fault.However, when Colt has time and an open receiver and just misses him, that's on him. When Colt chucks balls deep into obvious double coverage, that's on him. When he has time but panics and tucks it to run, that's on him. When he throws it into the helmet or hands of a jumping lineman who bats it down, that's on him.Now, the number of plays that other people messed up far outnumber McCoy. But, from what I saw, Colt messed up a meaningful percentage of those remaining plays plays where other people were doing the right thing.If we lost the exact same amount of games (even by the same amount of points!), but Colt wasn't making those mistakes, I'd feel a lot better about him. Right now, I don't feel so great. Seriously, I think every single game he had at least one dumb deep ball into obvious double coverage. That's a simple read that a pro should make 99% of the time.I guess I'm not as down on McCoy as most. I don't think he's been give a fair chance. The guy managed to not be awful with an absolutely awful supporting cast. Seriously... a Swiss cheese offensive line. Horrible WRs. No running game. A converted rookie FB blocking, etc. etc.Sounds like the Skins aren't interested in Flynn.
wadegarrett
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Almost made it 45 minutes today. Girlhammer is rubbing off on Rizzo...may have to give up KNR for good.+1
MAC_32
Footballguy
He had played one year of wide receiver his entire career and hadn't played football at all in a year and a half when he joined the Browns. I'm sure I was a broken record last year, but anyone expecting anything more than what he gave you were kidding themselves.This is the year we find out what he's really made of. With a burner opposite him I think he could be very good.
eric rymer
Footballguy
Not to mention the lack of a true offseason to prepare. I would definitely not give up yet. The kid has talent for sure. Hopefully he'll put in the work and turn that into production.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
You should have heard Booms this morning about how that presser was handled. People like that are what makes some people totally insane with their conclusions.Fast forward just a few hours to Baskin and Phelps today, totally different atmosphere regarding yesterdays happenings and the callers were sane.And I only heard about 20 minutes of each show...that's all it takes.Seriously, can the city of Cleveland please stop freaking out at every word or innuendo that comes out of Berea? WKNR had a collective heart attack when Heckert said that they "weren't going to go crazy" in free agency. Um, guys, that's what they've been saying and doing for months now? And for some reason people equate "crazy" to "signing good players".
Bobcat10
Footballguy
How do you turn it off on Friday's before "GRAB SOMEBODY SEXY TELL EM HEY!"? You only had another segment!I missed it today and that makes my week feel incomplete.Almost made it 45 minutes today. Girlhammer is rubbing off on Rizzo...may have to give up KNR for good.+1
nxmehta
Footballguy
Gotta wait on Little. If his production drops this year we'll have a problem. But it won't- he'll have a good year. I don't think elite, but good.
eric rymer
Footballguy
Would have loved for him to be a Brown but no way would I be ok with giving up this.
Adam Schefter
Washington Redskins traded three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick to St. Louis for second overall pick in a trade first reported by @JayGlazer.
Adam Schefter
Washington Redskins traded three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick to St. Louis for second overall pick in a trade first reported by @JayGlazer.
eric rymer
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eric rymer
Footballguy
Tannehill, Flynn or Weeden........Sounds like Denver is making a major push for Manning. Could mean Flynn to Miami, then we have to go with Tannehill, Weeden or McCoy.....Barkley in 2013
MAC_32
Footballguy
McCoy. I hope we don't hear the names Tannehill and Weeden again after APril 28.
RevDawg
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wadegarrett
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agree...said it a couple weeks back...way too much to give up with so many holes to fill
