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- Like both of these especially with Sanders coming back.VERY unconventional draft for me here. 3 qbs, 4 rbs, 6wrs, 2 tes, 1 pk and 2 dst15 skill guys, 3 of which are rookies... Look out title #4. If it happens, you guys should just quit!
Please explain how you calculate the 2nd kicker point differential. I see it as much higher.
Like this one the best of all the full rosters posted here so far.
With 14 teams I calculated average kicker 1 value as PK7, avg kicker 2 as PK21. Then, just looked at how many times PK21 outscored PK7 and added the point value up of those games. What is your method so I can compare?
Best QB in the gameLove the RBs. Caddy is undervalued right now as a 3rd back and goalline. He's baack!Here is my final roster with grades and comments:
QB - Aaron Rodgers, GB [10], & Matt Moore, CAR [6
I rate this as an A pair of quarterbacks with Rodgers one of the STUDS and Moore (at least for now) a starter that hopefully I only need week 10 against Tampa Bay when Rodgers is off. I think the top tier of quarterbacks give a team an edge at that position - this IS H2H so you are only concerned with beating one team, and a "fair" score might survive but not win a H2H matchup. Rodgers is one of only two I would have taken in the second round and only because there wasn't a clear WR pick there and the top TE were gone.
RB - Rashaard Mendenhall, PIT [5], Cadillac Williams [4], Tim Hightower [6], Tashard Choice [4]
Solid group here that I rate B-, maybe C+ after looking at all the other rosters. I like Mendenhall this year and Caddy was great value. Both Hightower and Choice were outstanding value at their draft slots and WILL score several weeks for me.
WR - Hines Ward, PIT [5], Jeremy Maclin [8], Devin Hester [8], Eddie Royal [9], Kevin Walter [7]
Very solid group - I give them a B grade, but could easily play better if Hester flourishes under Martz and Royal rebounds in Denver and Walter is healthy all year in Houston. Great group for PPR
TE - Tony Gonzalez, ATL [8], Jeremy Shockey [10]
Gonzo is a STUD TE and a game winner in this format. Shockey is one of the best TE2 in this league and the pair definitely gets an A
K - Ryan Longwell [4] & Nick Folk [7]
Two solid kicker on winning teams +
DST - San Francisco 49ers [9] & Arizona Cardinals [6]
Two defenses both rated in top half of DSTs who play both St. Louis and Seattle twice +
+ for K and DST is bye week compatability - Both defenses playing when a kicker is off....Both kickers playing when a defense is off....Both playing when Rodgers is off and Both playing in weeks 5 and 8 when I have two or three starters off at RB/WR/TE. Just maximizing the potential points available for all those weeks - again this is H2H and the schedule play could easily win a game or two.
I know it is popular to go with only one kicker or defense and that may be a plus in the survivor leagues but I don't think it is winning roster building in H2H with best ball scoring.
Overall I give the team a solid B
Sure I like the team - I drafted it.....pretty rare that you don't like a team you drafted and it does well
Great group of drafters here and this league is always fun - see you on the battlefield
Solid effort here. Love the QBs and RBs. You better hope Flacco gets started strong though with that suspension. I hate Cotchery as your #3. He's a WR3 on a team ran by Sanchez and Ryan, HOWEVER, my personal belief is you got bailed out by the SOD Harry Douglas, who I was hoping would fall to me. Much earlier than I expected him to be gone. A+ at tight end. Might be overkill here since there's no flex.
Gonzo and Shockey an A? Maybe 5 years ago... Gonzo is not elite. I'd put the odds of him finishing top 5 are not in his favor. Shockey is too unreliable any more, lingering issues. /quote]
Scott
1) Gonzo last year in this format was TE#6 scoring 288.70 points, just over 18 ppg
2) Shockey was TE#17 with 170.90 points, more than 12 ppg
I think Shockey repeats that and Gonzo improves as Ryan bounces back and they have an easier schedule against the pass (and easier against the run which means that teams have to worry about Turner/Snelling/Norwood more)
Certainly a better pair and more scoring than most teams in the league this year.......you want to bet on that too?
Well, seems okay. But, there's the bye week for one plus whatever the % of injury to just the one PK. However, how do you know now that you got PK7 for this year? There's just so much week to week variability as well as year to year variability that I think you give up much more than only two points a week on average than only carrying 1 kicker.I know I lost a couple games by just a few points last year and that could be the difference. Good luck though. I could very be wrong about the way that I look at it.
Ollie, I don't know if my kicker will be PK7 just as I don't know if the PK23 which was who I would have selected would perform as PK21. My point is, do this comparison for any Top 14 kicker versus a top 28 kicker and I think you'll find that the difference is less than 30 points per week, over the course of a whole season, whereas, finding a Sims Walker 09 or a Sidney Rice 09 is MUCH more valuable, just see my 2009 team, those were too late HITS I had that propelled me to the championship.
Scott - I will give you even money that my TE scoring is Top Five in THIS league......another league entry or dinner in Vegas next September?
I'll take that bet, reunion dues once again. Technically however there should be only 3 a's handed out with only 14 teams
if fred davis is the sod im thinking hes gonna be yall are in troubleno holes anywhere:champeenship:
You definitely will score above average...at QB & RB.
Looking forward to seeing it Steve, but not sure I understand the multipliers (aside from x2 for RB and x3 for WR for lineups)
Multipliers reflect the potential scoring which is greater for QBs and TEs than most common leagues. But that is precisely what I would like to discuss. Do you think that it should be only one for QBs, TEs, PKs, and DSTs? WSIth two for RBs and three for WRs? I guess that I was minimizing the effect of the PK and DST scoring which I expected to be lower than the other positions.
The scoring at each position is only relative to the other players at that position so I think the weight should be equal especially in best ball play where it cold be your fifth best WR who scores, not your second best. The best ball scoring also helps the lower scoring K and DST positions - well at least if you have more than one to get points from.
only used DD for the projections and then tweaked to my preferences. He may have your numbers better than what is shown by me.MOP is going to free up some time tomorrow and try and give us an outsider's reveiw/rankings of the teams.rzr - I am beginning to think from your position ratings that DD doesn't like my team
LOL - I don't care about rankings/numbers other than mine, but I think it will be nice for someone outside the draft to analyze the teams - we all get myopic about our picks/teamsonly used DD for the projections and then tweaked to my preferences. He may have your numbers better than what is shown by me.MOP is going to free up some time tomorrow and try and give us an outsider's reveiw/rankings of the teams.rzr - I am beginning to think from your position ratings that DD doesn't like my team
Afraid it will get much much worse for you Perry. You better step up your game if we're partners in FPC.LOL - I don't care about rankings/numbers other than mine, but I think it will be nice for someone outside the draft to analyze the teams - we all get myopic about our picks/teamsonly used DD for the projections and then tweaked to my preferences. He may have your numbers better than what is shown by me.MOP is going to free up some time tomorrow and try and give us an outsider's reveiw/rankings of the teams.rzr - I am beginning to think from your position ratings that DD doesn't like my team
Good point. Sorry Perry, not looking good for you. On the other hand, you do have the team D/ST looking good.Team Legacy said:Afraid it will get much much worse for you Perry. You better step up your game if we're partners in FPC.Captain Hook said:LOL - I don't care about rankings/numbers other than mine, but I think it will be nice for someone outside the draft to analyze the teams - we all get myopic about our picks/teamsrzrback77 said:only used DD for the projections and then tweaked to my preferences. He may have your numbers better than what is shown by me.Captain Hook said:MOP is going to free up some time tomorrow and try and give us an outsider's reveiw/rankings of the teams.rzr - I am beginning to think from your position ratings that DD doesn't like my team
and just because you asked, can I get a drum roll......................................First set of rankings is based on one point per starting position. You simply add the QB, TE, PK, and DST ratings up along with double the RB rating and triple the WR ratings.1) radballs 32.102) Pictus Cat 32.003) Team Legacy 31.704) Captain Hook 31.605) rzrback77 31.506) ravnzfan 31.407) Twilight 30.908) Pimpin Ain't Easy 30.809) Old Milwaukee 30.7010) Shadow Master 30.4011) Grouse 30.2012) Valence 29.8013) fiddles 29.5014) Sinrman 29.30Coming shortly the rankings with the previously discussed factors applied.
Well you will have to explain this ranking system, but let me point out one thing - Teams who have an acknowledged Tier One....ie STUD quarterback are not going to get many games aside from the bye week where there backup "scores". Thus I have a hard time with a ranking or evaluation that does not have Brees/Rodgers/Peyton led QB staffs on top of the rest - Look at their PPG from last year, or projected PPG for this year whichever you prefer - they are ahead of the next groupI think that is largely true with the next group - Brady, Schaub, Romo, Rivers, but you could argue that the owners of those QBs with the best backup might be rated over another.The second QB is more in play if the team's QB1 is more erratic or a younger, less experienced producer - still those combos are not going to rate ahead of the Tier Two group (BTW none of this is to say there won't be players outperforming their draft slot, but we won't have a true handle on those performers and their Consistency until much later in the year)For now my rankings would be:1) Captain Hook - 3.70 (Rodgers and Matt Moore)2) Sinrman - 3.80 (Brees and Hasselbeck)3) fiddles - 3.80 (P. Manning and Freeman)4)rzrback77 - 3.90 (Romo and McNabb)5) Pimpin Ain't Easy - 3.40 (Schaub and Orton)6) Shadow Master - 3.20 (Brady and Leinart)7) ravnzfan - 3.60 (Rivers and Cassel)8) Team Legacy - 3.90 (Kolb, Henne, and Campbell)9) Pictus Cat - 3.10 (Flacco and Roethlisberger)10)Twilight - 3.00 (Cutler and Sanchez)11)Valence - 3.10 (E. Manning and Palmer)12)Old Milwaukee - 3.00 (Favre and Alex Smith)13)radballs - 3.00 (Ryan and Garrard)14)Grouse - 2.70 (Stafford and Young)The third group is much tougher to rank and one or two of them could be in the second groupRomo and McNabb looks to be the one group that could if their weeks match up, be in the first group, while Rivers without VJax could easily move backwardsrzrback77 said:
I think that the chance of injury is a key factor. I know that both Mannings never miss games, but all it takes is one awkward hit, like Brady a couple of year ago and the single stud QB startegy is a death blow. And the reason that I downplayed your rating was all about Moore. I really like the Falcons this year and the Saints. What happens if the Panthers start very slowly and get to say 3-6. Think they consider going with the rookie? The late bye for Roadgers impacted my consideration of Moore, and not for the better.Solid comments though and interesting that you agreed also verbatim on the lower half of the QBs or did you just not look as close there?
Excellent idea and hope someone follows up on the suggestion.
or you can post which rankings you disagree with and then discuss.
