FavreCo
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NOBODY gets a bump. Gore gets 9 in the box.Check that. If you are talking about the move from Carr to T. Smith, everyone gets a bump. If it's from A. Smith to T. Smith it's no one.
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Troy Smith starting for 49ers this week. (1 Viewer)
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jamil
Footballguy
so bump VD up even more?
thehornet
Footballguy
Not really. there isn't a big difference between carr/a smith/t smith
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Wolfpacker
Footballguy
Yes, there is. Anna Nicole Smith would be better than David Carr.
Hurl Bruce
Footballguy
I think a lot of people forget that Troy was in line to be a starter in Baltimore before he went down with tonsilitis in training camp, opening the door for Flacco to take over.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I can't believe how many times I've read "bump VD" in this thread. No matter what you think of Alex Smith, he was very good to VD owners. The idea that Troy Smith will somehow be better for VD than the QB he had all of his best production with just doesn't seem reasonable.
agreed. and it seems the opposite would hold for crabtree.
Do we all REALLY think that Troy will be operating out of the identical playbook as Alex? 2 Totally different QBs, even though Smith enjoys throwing from out of the pocket (he doesn't have the rushing ability of Troy).
Better question, what kind of stat line does he need to put up in order to be the starter in week 10?
Better question, what kind of stat line does he need to put up in order to be the starter in week 10?
towney
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And then they come back out in couple hours and say this on Troy and VD, granted it's Denver but I tend to think Crabtree has the most to lose FF wise and teams are going to make Troy beat them in the passing game, so that leaves Davis as the relief valve.
Vernon Davis (ankle) missed 49ers practice Wednesday.
Davis did not appear inhibited by any kind of injury while racking up 74 yards and a touchdown in Week 7. He should be ready to go for Sunday's game in London, and figures to be Troy Smith's go-to target against the Broncos.
Yes, this is the question, because he may be worth a flier if there's a chance he could keep the job. I'm wondering what people see his upside as in terms of helping a fantasy team - would it be comparable to Vince Young in the second half of last year when he took over or is that wishful thinking?He's better than Max Hall, right?
Football fever
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Look no further than the recent play of Colt McCoy. Troy Smith could succeed. Whether he will or not
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The QB that I think T.Smith most resembles is Jeff Blake from his Bengals days.........both about 6ft can scramble if needed and throw nice deep balls.
Rovers
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This is what I don't get. Are the practices in London open to the public? If not, why in the world would Singletary make this announcement? I think this is a desperation move, and Singletary has done something as stupid as the "team mooning". Why in the world would he make this announcement? Ditka eventually lost it when he was a HC, I see Singletary going the same way, and I've always liked him. I also wonder who made this decision, Raye's replacement at OC or Singletary? Smith hadn't taken a SNAP with the ones this year, and a new offense. My next question is can Smith get to half time before getting yanked? If he throw 2 piks?
Twilight
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Johnson was a QB coach on the Ravens when Troy Smith was there, so I'm quite sure he lobbied hard for Smith, and Sing signed off on it. But that does also mean, with Smith's familiarity with Johnson, that the lack of practice snaps isn't quite as meaningful as the attention it has gotten.This is what I don't get. Are the practices in London open to the public? If not, why in the world would Singletary make this announcement? I think this is a desperation move, and Singletary has done something as stupid as the "team mooning". Why in the world would he make this announcement? Ditka eventually lost it when he was a HC, I see Singletary going the same way, and I've always liked him. I also wonder who made this decision, Raye's replacement at OC or Singletary? Smith hadn't taken a SNAP with the ones this year, and a new offense.
My next question is can Smith get to half time before getting yanked? If he throw 2 piks?
NinerFan49
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He may not be "better," but I think VD will remain good. The "best" thing about VD production-wise is that he is the face of the Singletary-way . As long as Singletary remains the Niners' coach, VD will get targets. It wasn't Alex that "made" VD a fantasy star, it was Singletary.
NinerFan49
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I have no faith in Carr... And though I think Nate Davis could still turn out to very good, I don't think he's ready yet... so if Alex Smith can't play, I think Troy Smith was the best choice. My guess it that Singletary knows how poorly the OL has played when pass blocking so far this season so he chose Troy Smith to start partly because of his mobility.
Though I don't agree that VD will do better with Troy Smith at the helm than he would have with a healthy Alex Smith, I do think it is likely that VD will do well because as Cecil Lammey pointed out, Denver's LBs don't cover TEs well... as long as the ankle injury that caused VD to miss practice today doesn't hurt his play on game day.
Though I don't agree that VD will do better with Troy Smith at the helm than he would have with a healthy Alex Smith, I do think it is likely that VD will do well because as Cecil Lammey pointed out, Denver's LBs don't cover TEs well... as long as the ankle injury that caused VD to miss practice today doesn't hurt his play on game day.
NinerFan49
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I think it's likely that new OC Mike Johnson will use more 3-WR sets to keep defenses from stacking vs the run. The Niners started doing a lot of that last week and my guess is that it will continue. Johnson spent a year studying how the spread offense can be adapted to the NFL and I think he's going to continue to slowly but surely go away from sets that use a fullback... The Niners offense has done very poorly when using a fullback this season.
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chinawildman
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As long as Troy Smith has an "offense-minded" mentality, that alone will make the offense play better. The niners have enough skill players to press the D and dictate coverage, not just sit there and react to what the defense gives them. Hopefully Johnson sets up some plays where Smith can make some plays with his feet and give Denver something else to consider. I for one am just looking forward to seeing another QB start for SF for a change...
Rovers
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His lack of snaps isn't "as" meaningful? Even veteran QB's have crashed and burned in similar situations. I don't care if Smith is Johnson's son, familiaraity doesn't replace practice time in an offense Smith has never played in, not to mention timing with his recievers.Johnson was a QB coach on the Ravens when Troy Smith was there, so I'm quite sure he lobbied hard for Smith, and Sing signed off on it. But that does also mean, with Smith's familiarity with Johnson, that the lack of practice snaps isn't quite as meaningful as the attention it has gotten.This is what I don't get. Are the practices in London open to the public? If not, why in the world would Singletary make this announcement? I think this is a desperation move, and Singletary has done something as stupid as the "team mooning". Why in the world would he make this announcement? Ditka eventually lost it when he was a HC, I see Singletary going the same way, and I've always liked him. I also wonder who made this decision, Raye's replacement at OC or Singletary? Smith hadn't taken a SNAP with the ones this year, and a new offense.
My next question is can Smith get to half time before getting yanked? If he throw 2 piks?
chinawildman
Footballguy
Agreed, Gore seemed to be wreckin' shop until the panthers realized Carr's incompetence. Norris looks like a fossil in a uniform out there, he's arguably the least athletic looking FB i've ever seen... They should continue to use Byham in that H-back role, he seems to be just as capable a blocker, but much more of a threat to catch the ball.
chinawildman
Footballguy
My guess is that the niners will come out and chuck a couple of deep ones to VD or Ginn to try and loosen up the defense. THen try some screens to WRs or Gore, and mix in a few runs here and there. You really don't need familiarity with the receivers for any of these plays, and frankly it's almost irrelevant considering that's pretty much what ASmith has been doing for the last 6.5 games anyway.His lack of snaps isn't "as" meaningful? Even veteran QB's have crashed and burned in similar situations. I don't care if Smith is Johnson's son, familiaraity doesn't replace practice time in an offense Smith has never played in, not to mention timing with his recievers.Johnson was a QB coach on the Ravens when Troy Smith was there, so I'm quite sure he lobbied hard for Smith, and Sing signed off on it. But that does also mean, with Smith's familiarity with Johnson, that the lack of practice snaps isn't quite as meaningful as the attention it has gotten.This is what I don't get. Are the practices in London open to the public? If not, why in the world would Singletary make this announcement? I think this is a desperation move, and Singletary has done something as stupid as the "team mooning". Why in the world would he make this announcement? Ditka eventually lost it when he was a HC, I see Singletary going the same way, and I've always liked him. I also wonder who made this decision, Raye's replacement at OC or Singletary? Smith hadn't taken a SNAP with the ones this year, and a new offense.
My next question is can Smith get to half time before getting yanked? If he throw 2 piks?
NinerFan49
Footballguy
At first I thought running out of the FB sets was not working because the Niners were way too predictable in terms of trying to run Gore through the same gap over and over. But after watching Norris closely the last few games, I agree that his blocking has really slipped and Byham at H-Back appears to be the better blocker... and receiver.
NinerFan49
Footballguy
Yeah, the Denver D looked pretty bad last week. If they continue to play like that, the Niners have a decent chance to get their second win of the season.
NinerFan49
Footballguy
Troy Smith's scouting report from ESPN.com:
"He is a short, compact-built player with a strong enough arm to make all the throws. Smith is very tough competitive player and an exceptional athlete. He has enough talent and physical tools to potentially contribute as a return man or at another skill position. As a passer, his lack of ideal height is a major concern and he is best throwing on the roll-out. Smith is an ideal backup signal-caller because of his innate leadership and playmaking abilities but hasn't been able to get on the field to contribute thus far."
And a few thoughts from FFToolbox from his draft year:
"An outstanding athlete, Smith also beat all the combine quarterbacks in both the vertical jump and the broad jump. Smith's arm is also one of his great strengths-literally. It is both strong and very accurate, as he proved both throughout his senior season and at OSU's pro day."
"He is a short, compact-built player with a strong enough arm to make all the throws. Smith is very tough competitive player and an exceptional athlete. He has enough talent and physical tools to potentially contribute as a return man or at another skill position. As a passer, his lack of ideal height is a major concern and he is best throwing on the roll-out. Smith is an ideal backup signal-caller because of his innate leadership and playmaking abilities but hasn't been able to get on the field to contribute thus far."
And a few thoughts from FFToolbox from his draft year:
"An outstanding athlete, Smith also beat all the combine quarterbacks in both the vertical jump and the broad jump. Smith's arm is also one of his great strengths-literally. It is both strong and very accurate, as he proved both throughout his senior season and at OSU's pro day."
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
If Smith gets a win this week heading into the bye, does he keep the job coming out of the bye?
Black&Gold
Footballguy
I would guess yes. Why not?
NinerFan49
Footballguy
Hard to say. My guess is that Singletary still thinks Alex Smith gives the team the best chance to win. But if Troy Smith plays really well vs Denver, I imagine Sing would ask Alex Smith to take another week to recuperate from his shoulder separation and give Troy Smith another chance to start. And if he were to play really well again... then, yeah, he might supplant Alex Smith.Don't underestimate how poorly the Niners OL has pass blocked this season. That means that a mobile QB has a lot of value. And I'm guessing that Troy Smith is much more mobile than Alex Smith (who is a decent but not great scrambler).
I still think Troy Smith is unlikely to replace Alex Smith for the rest of the season. But if Troy were to play really well two games in a row, he might indeed win the job...
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Sabertooth
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Black&Gold
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Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Is that the final score of today's game or just their odds of getting the #1 pick in 2011?
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