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***Official Julius Thomas Hype Train*** (3 Viewers)
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Yes, and Dressen didnt play due to a injury. I get the like of Thomas for fantasy purposes, I was simply answering the question according to the team.
Adam Harstad
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I did. Dreesseen is a substantially better blocker than Thomas, who still has unforgivable lapses (go watch the field goal Denver had blocked against the Rams). Historically, the in-line TE position in Manning's offense has been about blocking first, receiving second. Maybe that changes, and Denver decides to emphasize it more as a receiver, in which case Thomas would make more sense. I personally think a great blocker at TE is more of a need than a great receiver at TE in those ridiculous 3-WR sets they'll be rolling out, but I'm just speculating.
Either way, huge preseason or not, it's hardly a sure thing that Thomas gets the start over Dreessen at in-line TE, and in-line TE is where all the snaps are at.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
This will be interesting to follow this season. Who got it right with JT? Anarchy99 has been fighting the fight pretty hard that JT won't be that relevant. Other's have gone the opposite.moleculo said:
I went to almost every practice possible and have seen every preseason game - and I'm still not sure...
If I had to guess, I have a feeling Welker's receptions will be lower than people think, along with Decker. DT's will go up and so will JT's. If I had to pick a side I'd go with the JT hype train (within reason).
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
The Broncos ran 49 plays in the 1st half of the 'dress rehearsal' preseason tilt too. So there may be more opportunities due to the volume of plays the Denver o runs. May or may not result in decent numbers for J Thomas. Either way, he still seems like a cheap flyer as a backup TE/end of the fantasy roster type player with the potential to put up decent points.moleculo said:
Anarchy99
Footballguy
In case people missed it, I never said JT was not a decent fantasy flyer or backup TE. I did say (and still do) that if the DEN Big 3 WR are going to be as productive as many (most?) people feel, JT will not have quite the season that a few people are suggesting (I think someone mentioned like 60 catches and 800+ yards). The history of Manning-led teams has shown that having a 4th player put up decent numbers is rare, as is having 4 players on the same team with 80 targets.
And I still fell that when all the TEs are healthy, they will rotate and one guy will not get all the targets and TE production. The other consideration for the TEs is having to block, and if the RBs struggle to protect Manning, they may have to block more and catch less.
And I still fell that when all the TEs are healthy, they will rotate and one guy will not get all the targets and TE production. The other consideration for the TEs is having to block, and if the RBs struggle to protect Manning, they may have to block more and catch less.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Denver released their initial depth chart, and Julius Thomas was listed as the #1 Tight End. Dreessen at #2, Tamme at #3.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html
identikit
Footballguy
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Denver ran 49 offensive plays because St. Louis had two touchdown "drives" that used one offensive play between them.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Denver ran 49 offensive plays because St. Louis had two touchdown "drives" that used one offensive play between them and because Denver rolled out an extremely up-tempo pace. The former shouldn't be counted on a week-to-week basis. The latter has been talked about, practiced in training camp, rolled out in preseason, and likely will have an affect on the fantasy roles of Denver offensive players. Will that result in 49 plays/half? probably not. However, an increase in offensive plays seems likely especially if you look at how the up-tempo pace resulted in more pats' offensive snaps than any other offense in the league last year.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
PPR:
I could see something like 50/600. Possible perhaps he has enough TD's to become fantasy relevant. JMO A few of those preseason receptions I see going to Welker if healthy. Was actually the first thing that popped to my mind on those patterns.
I could see something like 50/600. Possible perhaps he has enough TD's to become fantasy relevant. JMO A few of those preseason receptions I see going to Welker if healthy. Was actually the first thing that popped to my mind on those patterns.
Backside Pursuit
Footballguy
Adam,
In your informed opinion and with your experience covering this team, how much stock should we put in this? Assuming Dreessen is healthy, what does this indicate to you? (Is it a big deal or is it a small deal?)
Adam Harstad
Moderator
It means Thomas is playing. I'm still not entirely sure what his role will be, but he'll be getting snaps. Previously, I'd set his o/u on snaps played at 400-450. After seeing him first on the depth chart, I'd put it more around 600-650 snaps, and I think 600 receiving yards just became a lot more achievable. I still wouldn't want to go into the season with Thomas as my TE1, but at this point, I buy him as a high-upside TE2 who could really come to life if there are injury issues with any of Denver's WRs.
Another important development from today is that Denver cut Tavarres King, which means they only have 4 true receivers on their roster (technically five, but Holliday is a return specialist first). With 4 receivers and 4 TEs, that tells me that if something happens to one of their receivers, Denver would feel more comfortable featuring some of their TEs, instead.
moleculo
Footballguy
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Roto being 6 hours behind. All of these reports are based on Denver's initial depth chart, which lists Thomas as the #1 TE. Of course, the same depth chart lists Virgil Green at #4 behind Dreessen and Tamme, so apparently Roto didn't read it all that thoroughly...
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Haha I just read this entire thread, good stuff.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I was going to pose this question in this thread, but figured it might spawn a page of "Me" or "Not Me" posts and take away from the actual discussion, so I took it to the ACF.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=688467
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=688467
Adam Harstad
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Thomas + Thomas = omgwtfwhichThomasisgoingtorapeme!
Adam Harstad
Moderator
As far as arrests go, if you're going to be getting one, "failure to appear after a routine traffic ticket" is definitely the kind you want. I doubt it results in any league or team discipline serious enough for fantasy owners to care.
As an aside, someone who lives in Colorado: is appearing in court mandatory after every traffic ticket? Here in Texas you only have to appear in court if you choose to contest the ticket, otherwise you just pay the fine and be done with it. Florida was the same way. I've gotten traffic tickets before, but never had to appear in court. After Von and JT have both gotten arrested for failure to appear this offseason, I'm wondering if Colorado does things differently, or if it's just a bizarre coincidence. Either way, if I'm the Denver Broncos, I'm asking 52 guys to think really, really hard about whether they've gotten any traffic tickets recently...
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
While I agree with you completely, I'm still worried they send a message to him... I've got Gronk and didn't realize in my league you can't make a pickup after the draft until after week 1 - this week I'm on the JT fan bus!Adam Harstad said:
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
He was also named the starter 3 days after this arrest though, so I'm not as worried, but still a little bit.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Righetti
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Sick.
Frank Black
Footballguy
I remember when people anointed Pitta as a top 5 season TE after game 1 last year.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Any trades after the second TD? I'm trying to gauge value so I can throw some offers out. I own him for now.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Looks like the Pro-JT guys are on their way to winning this one. Even with Tamme and/or Dreesson in the picture I think JT passes 35-40 for 400-450. Not to mention he's already spotted himself 2 TDs to start the season. And it's halftime here.How many 5-124-1 games do you think he will have? As I already spelled out, Manning-led teams generally do not go 4 receiving options deep. Unless Tamme and Dreessen are completely out of the picture, I don't think there is much hope for Thomas having even one game as you described. IMO, Thomas' ceiling is 35-40 catches for 400-450 if the Big 3 stay healthy.1069, actually, 3rd in the leagueAlthough roughly speaking you could say every team played "about" 1,000 snaps last year (except for NE and Det.)
And that was Manning's first year playing football after missing a whole season. Now they've improved at WR and, for the purposes of this thread, TE. Arguably they've downgraded at RB if Ball isn't up to speed, at least to begin the season, as compared to a vet like McGahee. If they go faster on offense, they could very easily push 1,100. So, you might want to make that pie a bit bigger.
Also, this hasn't been said yet... but I think it possible that Thomas has a few monster games with more than his fair share of duds sprinkled in. I don't think he's worthless in re-draft, but it would be a heck of a time trying to figure out when to start him. So he might have better value in a draft-and-go type league where you can make use of his occasional 5-124-1 game, and avoid his 1 for 7 type games. Or, dare I say it... as a $2 TE in a 1.5 TE PPR subscriber contest.
Just one game, but he'd really have to fall flat (or get injured) to not exceed expectations.
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moleculo
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
3 snaps in 2012 to 97 yards and 2 TD week 1? Yowza
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Getting Manning killed won't help his playing time.
Doubtingthomas
Footballguy
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JustinHawkins
Footballguy
wow, he's good
