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WR Josh Gordon, KC (10 Viewers)
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GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Listen Ditka Butkus I am totally in agreement that the lack of personal responsibility and lack of personal accountability in this country is a serious serious problem and in all honesty I believe it is a problem that is destroying our country from within and causing a divide among the different classes of people
All of that is true IMHO and I see it with my clients everyday in the financial services field
But... This is about fantasy football... Gordon Is a lotto ticket that has a chance to pay off big... I root for the best players to entertain as long as those players aren't complete jerks like Hardy or Rice or Suggs or Big Ben... I feel like crimes of weed pale in comparison to things they've been tied to
Hard to separate at times the love of a game from the animals that play it
All of that is true IMHO and I see it with my clients everyday in the financial services field
But... This is about fantasy football... Gordon Is a lotto ticket that has a chance to pay off big... I root for the best players to entertain as long as those players aren't complete jerks like Hardy or Rice or Suggs or Big Ben... I feel like crimes of weed pale in comparison to things they've been tied to
Hard to separate at times the love of a game from the animals that play it
mcintyre1
Footballguy
No joke. Marijuana (and other drug) prohibition is the direct and immediate cause of the cartel violence in Mexico. Completely absurd to use it as an example of why we should keep it illegal.
whiskey7
Footballguy
Agreed. Make it legal and regulate/tax/etc it like booze or cigs. Help put the cartels out of business. I am with ya on that.
Until that happens, though, it is illegal and Gordon has repeatedly been caught breaking not only the law but also the rules of his employer. Period.
And ftr, I am a Gordon owner. He was a big part of me winning a championship last season. I would love it if this were not an issue and he was on the field scoring points for my team. All that said, I believe in accountability no matter who someone is. I am not going to say the guy should get a free pass because he's on my team.
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Broncos | Waive Nathan Palmer Tue Sep 9, 03:26 PM
The Denver Broncos waived WR Nathan Palmer Tuesday, Sept. 9.
Footballguys view: The spot for Palmer on the active roster could soon be filled by Wes Welker. There's a decision coming from the league and the NFLPA that could reduce Welker's four-game suspension.
The Denver Broncos waived WR Nathan Palmer Tuesday, Sept. 9.
Footballguys view: The spot for Palmer on the active roster could soon be filled by Wes Welker. There's a decision coming from the league and the NFLPA that could reduce Welker's four-game suspension.
whiskey7
Footballguy
Bamac
Footballguy
Ditjka?
AIKENS BACON
Footballguy
I think this NEEDS a Whole new thread!
JOSH GORDON UPDATES POST HERE:
JOSH GORDON UPDATES POST HERE:
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Also let me be clear... I believe in personal accountability
I don't honestly think he should get to play...
But I honestly think that he will skate and I don't have an issue cashing in on it if he does
I don't honestly think he should get to play...
But I honestly think that he will skate and I don't have an issue cashing in on it if he does
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
SecondString said:
Making a drug illegal doesn't make the problem go away, it only makes more outlaws.
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
It would only need to go retroactive to players currently serving suspensions under the rules that are being changed.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Not sure when that Mary Kay Cabot tweet came out but she was on local Cleveland sports radio this afternoon stating the virtually every single insider has told her that they have not ruled out lifting Gordon's suspension and she has heard he 'could' even be in the lineup Sunday depending on the wording of the new agreement.
LINK:
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/09/09/mary-kay-gordon-reinstatement-hinges-on-new-drug-policy-wording/
LINK:
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/09/09/mary-kay-gordon-reinstatement-hinges-on-new-drug-policy-wording/
Gustavo Fring
Footballguy
This thread is becoming a chronic problem for me. Too much second-hand information in here.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Meanwhile:
- RW
So the Browns are adding a WR while the Broncs are cutting one.
Tea leaves.
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
Basic equity principles would be in play - you were punished for conduct that society no longer finds punishable. Not saying they would win - certainly equity plays a role in stopping the punishment of anyone currently being punished for such conduct, but may be more difficult to go back.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
FBGs view: Since even our golden boy latimer didn't see the field, we're deflecting that miss with this spin on Palmer.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
He blew a .09, which is 1 point over the limit. Since he was originally pulled for speeding, he may be able to successfully fight the DWI.
Van Dyman
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biju
Footballguy
bulger2holt
Footballguy
What are your predictions for the outcome? I am guessing he plays by week 4
fatness
Footballguy
The NFLPA is set to vote on the league's new drug proposal tonight. As of mid-afternoon they had not received the proposal from the league.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/09/nflpa-waits-for-final-drug-proposal-from-nfl/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/09/nflpa-waits-for-final-drug-proposal-from-nfl/
So the league is going to come up with a proposal at some point -- today, tomorrow, next February, whenever -- and the players' reps will vote on whether to accept it.
Does anyone really believe that the league's proposal is going to include amnesty for Gordon and Welker? Aren't the league's owners going to be roughly 30-2 against such a provision?
If the players want to give Gordon and Welker amnesty, that's going to take a counteroffer and some negotiation -- it's not going to be as simple as just voting "yes" tonight, if there is even anything to vote on.
(Also, does anyone think that, even if the league submits its proposal right now, the players' reps will have time to read it, evaluate it, discuss it, and bring it to a vote by tonight?)
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
You realize that even if he gets reinstated, fails his next drug test he will get that year suspension right? They aren't throwing out the drug testing, they're just raising the thresholds. And they probably aren't changing the punishment until the next CBA. Hopefully Gordon doesn't take this as his opportunity to light up a little more than he could before...
dschuler
Footballguy
I feel like it might take a little while longer before a deal is done because I think a astronomical amount of leverage just shifted towards the NFLPA after this Ray Rice incident. Americans have been laughing at Roger Goodell the same way they make fun of Congress. They strongly disagreed with the drug suspension, and strongly disagreed with the Ray Rice incident BEFORE the video came out. Now people are wanting heads to roll. The league should just bend over and take (to a certain extent) whatever the NFLPA is asking for just to get this in the press to talk about ANYTHING else. This would be a positive thing to show that they care about HGH whether they actually do or not.
Good point. If they hadn't received a proposal from the NFL by this afternoon, Tuesday looks like a wash, as they will need time to evaluate the proposal, and possibly counter. Also, if you actually look at facts that are being reported, not speculation that's posing as facts, It seems like the retroactive application of a new policy isn't as much of a given as it has been made to seem. Furthermore, the NFL & NFLPA seem to both be refusing to budge on the issue of punishing players before the legaProcess plays out.
That's an "interesting" take. I seriously doubt a new HGH policy will make people forget the NFL's horrible handling of the Rice situation.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Nope he is truly an idiot and I think DUI is pretty awful as well... Frankly there is no excuse for anyone (especially athletes in the NFL) to drink and get behind the wheel... Again not the same degree of consequences because no victim in this event (this time)
Josh Brent from the cowboys DUI cost his friend his life... Josh Gordon's DUI did not cost someone their life... Same stupid decision but clearly different consequences this time around
Ray Rice smacked around his girlfriend on camera... Pacman Jones slammed a strippers face onto the stage... Greg Hardy (allegedly) choked his girl... Terrell Suggs bleached his gf... I can go on and on... How many more incidents will we never hear anything about? How many times does an NFL player drive under the influence without getting caught? Does that make the decision to drive okay because they didn't get caught? How many times has someone been pushed to the edge by their spouse or gf and NEARLY struck them? A lot of bad decisions are influenced greatly by the situations these players put themselves into...
Bottom line is this... In the degree of bad decisions I believe his love of weed is pretty low on the scale compared to his decision to drive under the influence (regardless of how much alcohol he had in his system)
I believe even if he skates here he will trip up again or already has and will get suspended... But until then I hope that I can enjoy watching him on the field
Black
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dschuler
Footballguy
Franknbeans
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Tempting to put in waiver but as a Rice owner might need something more immediate.
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dschuler
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shadyridr
Footballguy
yeah that was the best one on RW
