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Just now, steelwind said:

http://wncx.cbslocal.com/2017/11/02/nfl-reinstates-suspended-browns-wr-josh-gordon-on-conditional-basis/

"The NFL’s collective bargaining agreement stipulates that 6 games counts as an accrued season, but according to the timeline laid out by the commissioner, the maximum number of games Gordon can play this season would be 5 meaning his contract will toll an additional season for the Browns and he won’t be eligible to become a restricted free agent until 2019. He is scheduled to make $1.068 million in 2018."

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Just now, matttyl said:

http://wncx.cbslocal.com/2017/11/02/nfl-reinstates-suspended-browns-wr-josh-gordon-on-conditional-basis/

"The NFL’s collective bargaining agreement stipulates that 6 games counts as an accrued season, but according to the timeline laid out by the commissioner, the maximum number of games Gordon can play this season would be 5 meaning his contract will toll an additional season for the Browns and he won’t be eligible to become a restricted free agent until 2019. He is scheduled to make $1.068 million in 2018."

Thanks for this.  I stand corrected.

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2014 should have counted as another year on his deal (as the league only suspended him 10 games - meaning he could have played in each of the other 6, which would count toward a full season).  Then he overslept or whatever week 17 - and the team didn't let him play.  So the entire season didn't count toward him being a year closer to free agency.  And neither will this one given the timeline laid out by the commish.  Meaning in 2018 he'll be playing on the rookie deal from 2012, 6 years before.

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7 minutes ago, matttyl said:

2014 should have counted as another year on his deal (as the league only suspended him 10 games - meaning he could have played in each of the other 6, which would count toward a full season).  Then he overslept or whatever week 17 - and the team didn't let him play.  So the entire season didn't count toward him being a year closer to free agency.  And neither will this one given the timeline laid out by the commish.  Meaning in 2018 he'll be playing on the rookie deal from 2012, 6 years before.

What a bonehead, no wonder he was smoking. 

Oversleep and you're forced to spend another year with the Browns? 

Should have stayed up all night just to be sure.

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9 minutes ago, matttyl said:

2014 should have counted as another year on his deal (as the league only suspended him 10 games - meaning he could have played in each of the other 6, which would count toward a full season).  Then he overslept or whatever week 17 - and the team didn't let him play.  So the entire season didn't count toward him being a year closer to free agency.  And neither will this one given the timeline laid out by the commish.  Meaning in 2018 he'll be playing on the rookie deal from 2012, 6 years before.

I really try to get into the minds of team organization and the player.  Really 95% of Josh Gordon owners are banking on 2013 level production.  I'm trying to gauge the team's incentive to play him.  Obviously Gordon will want to earn that 2018 salary and that's his motivation.  The Browns?  Well they drafted Coleman.  I would think if they intend to keep Gordon around for years they would hire a full time consultant to keep tabs on him day to day.  Addiction is no joke.  Alcohol or drugs.  It's engraved in your DNA forever.  I stand by my own opinion that the Browns are moving on.  Leaving Gordon and his addiction to be dealt with on his own.  This is dangerous ground.

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52 minutes ago, steelwind said:

I really try to get into the minds of team organization and the player.  Really 95% of Josh Gordon owners are banking on 2013 level production.  I'm trying to gauge the team's incentive to play him.  Obviously Gordon will want to earn that 2018 salary and that's his motivation.  The Browns?  Well they drafted Coleman.  I would think if they intend to keep Gordon around for years they would hire a full time consultant to keep tabs on him day to day.  Addiction is no joke.  Alcohol or drugs.  It's engraved in your DNA forever.  I stand by my own opinion that the Browns are moving on.  Leaving Gordon and his addiction to be dealt with on his own.  This is dangerous ground.

And if they do, then he really would be a free agent (is my understanding).  He's under contract to play next year for a bit over $1m for the Browns.  I guess they could trade him to another team who could take on that contract, though.  Either way, he'd be out of Cleveland.

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Read up on this and be on the look out for any signs the Browns are truly committed to Josh.  I doubt it since their front office and owners can't even come together to complete the AJ McCarron trade.  We really need to focus on addiction and not his 2013 season.  This #### is for real.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/11/2/16599912/cris-carter-vikings-saved-my-life

"According to Carter. . .and I believe he made mention of this in his Hall of Fame speech as well. . .the Vikings hired a woman named Betty Triliegi, a certified drug and alcohol counselor, when they brought him in. Her entire job with the Minnesota Vikings was Cris Carter. They met several times a week, and she helped to keep Carter on the straight and narrow. He wonders if the Browns. . .who have gotten a reputation of being a bit dysfunctional. . .are equipped to do the same thing for Gordon."

 

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4 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Yeah but Verlander's girlfriend, Kate Upton is much hotter than Gordon's girlfriend, Soulfly.

I heard they were both :porked:

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2 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

I picked this bum up :bag:

Same here and sat him at the end of the bench. He's never played with such an inaccurate loser as Deshone Kizer so he may only last a week or so before he hits the pipe.

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15 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Same here and sat him at the end of the bench. He's never played with such an inaccurate loser as Deshone Kizer so he may only last a week or so before he hits the pipe.

In my league (PPR) the best fantasy day by a Browns receiver this year is 16.90 points (Higgins 7 for 95). Even if Gordon doesn't skip a beat, that's what he's coming into. Can't imagine this comes close to a lottery ticket scenario...

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26 minutes ago, habsfan said:

In my league (PPR) the best fantasy day by a Browns receiver this year is 16.90 points (Higgins 7 for 95). Even if Gordon doesn't skip a beat, that's what he's coming into. Can't imagine this comes close to a lottery ticket scenario...

Coleman looked good before going down and will be back week 11 though. I'm sure he would have surpassed that had he stayed healthy.

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7 hours ago, steelwind said:

Gordon is on the last year of his rookie deal.  In 2018 he is a restricted free agent.  The Browns either

1.  Let him take offers from other teams and match to keep him.

2.  Let him take offers from other teams and apply a tender (basically saying we want you for another year).  I doubt they want to keep him for another year.  Teams that made Gordon an offer can offer draft picks in return based on the tender.

3.  Let him take offers from other teams and let him walk.

4.  Resign him to a multi year deal.

Incorrect.  He's not eligible until week 13 so will not get an accrued season this year, making him an Exclusive Rights Free Agent.  In this case he can't take offers from other teams.  CLE can offer him a qualifying tender (which is a 1 year deal) and that's all he gets.  He'd then be RFA in 2019.

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Please tell me no one thinks the proximity of this process to the trade deadline isn't a coincidence also.

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5 minutes ago, habsfan said:

Please tell me no one thinks the proximity of this process to the trade deadline isn't a coincidence also.

Nothing about Flash is coincidence imo.

He is synchronicity at its best! :ph34r:

 

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I love that Gordon is left handed.  Left handed wrs seem to have serious advantages in the red zone.

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The Browns are going to kick the tires on Josh Gordon because why not?? They have a need at the position. What do the Browns have to lose? Gordon shows well enough there will be a market for him and might garner a pick in the upcoming draft. Take a look at the teams knocking on "Megatron's" door. 6 teams in the offseason and 2 last week before the deadline. The other option is to keep him, however, with a rookie QB coming in or with whoever the Browns bring in(Kizer, Hogan or Kessler) will take some time and there is no guarantee that he can get back to what he was 2 years ago. I'll take a 75% Gordon right now and he is still young.  Browns are in good shape with Gordon no matter what. If he screws up you let him go and be done with it. Gordon performs well or even well enough they will get a decent return for Gordon. Browns could even keep him should they desire and fill a pretty big need cheaply. I can't see how the Browns can lose unless they forget to fax in some paperwork or something.

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13 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

But you don't understand. Josh Gordon is younger than Justin Verlander.

:lol: 

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Welcome back to the team, Josh. I'll never forget what we had in 2013. If any kids our there never got a chance to see Megatron play, you're in for a treat, Flash is about as close to that as you are gonna see in 2017. He's never had a good qb and it never stopped him from producing. Only thing that can stop him is his addiction.

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14 hours ago, matuski said:

I love that Gordon is left handed.  Left handed wrs seem to have serious advantages in the red zone.

Did you know his left hand is younger than his his right!?

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3 hours ago, Soulfly3 said:

I think he's clean

Was probably part of the reinstatement decision that Goodell sat on for 2yrs.

You swore up and down that he was clean for years and Josh himself just admitted he was bull####ting everyone during those years. 

Just please leave this dude alone, Soulcurse. It is too late for you to get any credit on this guy. You were dead wrong for years. This is hopefully a new set of downs for the kid. Leave him be and hope for the best. Put your damn curse horn away. 

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21 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

I picked this bum up :bag:

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22 hours ago, Lehigh98 said:

 

Oversleep and you're forced to spend another year with the Browns? 

 

I was gonna make a few million until I got high

Now I'm selling cars and I know why

'Cause I got high

Because I got high

Because I got high

I was gonna be a free agent in 2018 but I got high

Now I'm stuck with the Browns until 2019 and I know why

'Cause I got high

Because I got high

Because I got high

la da da da da da

 

 

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Unless you are a Browns fan why does everyone care so much if the Browns are committed to him or not? Serious question.  Why does it matter?

 

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When he makes that first catch, on his first drive back on the field... What I'd expect to be a 15-25yd catch in heavy traffic..

And he just gets up, tosses the ball to the ref, and gets back to the huddle, no fuss no muss...

I will cry. Real tears.

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9 hours ago, Soulfly3 said:

When he makes that first catch, on his first drive back on the field... What I'd expect to be a 15-25yd catch in heavy traffic..

And he just gets up, tosses the ball to the ref, and gets back to the huddle, no fuss no muss...

I will cry. Real tears.

You are the best

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On November 3, 2017 at 3:47 PM, BassNBrew said:

I picked this bum up :bag:

Knew I shouldn't have done this.  Vernon Davis would have been an upgrade at my flex position this week but I didn't have room for him.  May have cost me 1-2 wins in the IB (7 games played each week).

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On 11/4/2017 at 11:57 AM, Dez said:

x 50

Not touching with a 10 foot bong 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Josh Gordon is scheduled to report to the Browns on Tuesday.

As part of his conditional reinstatement, Gordon is eligible to attend meetings for the next two weeks, resume practicing on November 20, and return to the active roster Week 13. ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the team hopes he will be ready to play when first eligible, but there is still a long way to go. Gordon is not going to help teams get to the fantasy playoffs, but he is a good speculative add for squads already on their way.

Source: Nate Ulrich on Twitter

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

No

My bad...I blame the time change for throwing me off.

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I love this thread, but now that we know that Josh Gordon is actually going to be back and the field, some of the comic relief has to take a backseat to what he will actually be when resumes playing?

 

Will Gordon walk onto the field and have an immediate impact or will be be just another guy?

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1 hour ago, Saboo said:

Will Gordon walk onto the field and have an immediate impact or will be be just another guy?

My money is on the latter.

Totally open to eating crow if Gordon comes back and lights it up equally to his last solid season a whole 4 years ago. Also open to eating some crow if Gordon comes back and adds value to the point where he is a startable flex or WR option for FF teams this year.

But I'm thinking the greater probability by far is that a) it takes a long time to knock rust and adjust back to a life he hasn't led for years, and b) his heart truly isn't in it (I question whether it ever was) and he doesn't take it as seriously as he could/should to take full advantage of whatever talent/ability he has left. I am sure he wants the cash. Not sure he wants (or ever wanted) to do the things he needs to do truly excel at this level.

But I'm just one opinion in the seething mass of opinion on this guy.

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The other issue for Gordon is the Browns have to want him back and use him to the best of their abilities. I'm not so sure of that. They may be content to keep losing to get a better draft pick, have him inactive, or have him as a 4th or 5th receiver that barely sees the field (see Bryant, Martavius). Admitting he played every game in his career under the influence of drugs or alcohol and knowing how to beat the testing system may not exactly endear him to Cleveland management.

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5 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

The other issue for Gordon is the Browns have to want him back and use him to the best of their abilities. I'm not so sure of that. They may be content to keep losing to get a better draft pick, have him inactive, or have him as a 4th or 5th receiver that barely sees the field (see Bryant, Martavius). Admitting he played every game in his career under the influence of drugs or alcohol and knowing how to beat the testing system may not exactly endear him to Cleveland management.

I think if they have not won a game that they will be trying hard to win one. No one wants to go 0fer. 

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Ya, I'm sure the Browns, who have had EVERY opportunity to cut or trade his rights to this day, are not gonna wanna use him now that he's turned things around. 

Ok. 

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5 minutes ago, Righetti said:

Imagine if he wasn’t drunk while doing it

 

 

What if he needs to be wasted to perform? What if it's sort of like how if I smoke before playing Call of Duty I become immortal?

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1 minute ago, SameSongNDance said:

What if he needs to be wasted to perform? What if it's sort of like how if I smoke before playing Call of Duty I become immortal?

Just thinking this--what is he sucks playing sober?

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3 hours ago, Soulfly3 said:

Read his interview with GQ that was just released, and tell you arent rooting for this guy. 

I dare you. 

GQ Interview

Very good read. I'm pulling for him. He says that what makes this time different is that he's doing it for himself. That's the right approach otherwise the resentments never end. I know from experience. Best of luck to Josh.

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