ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Who would have thought Brees would FINALLY look like himself...and not throw a single ball Graham's way? Wow.
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SteelBallin
Footballguy
graham was on the sidelines for half the game. i'm not sure what is up but what a terrible week for this to happen. now i need a huge game from charles to keep my playoff hopes alive
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I can't understand this. Seriously. I don't he's hurt bad enough to be not targeted. Who thinks he blows up next week?
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Fox's sideline reporter interviewed Brees post-game. It was helpful.
Paraphrasing
Q: Why did Graham end up with no catches?
A: What?
Q: Jimmy Graham had no catches, any reason?
A: Really, wow. I had no idea. We just didnt get there today. (laughing) Did Still know he was going to get 160? We just sort of spread it around on this team. No reason at all.
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johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
He used to be force fed in the RZ. Many times today he wasn't even in the game.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
Because I never want my guy to go big the final week of the regular season. Too many times that happens to me and then the 1st week of the playoffs, the guy lays an egg. I'm quite happy about this performance as Brees will target him next week and the next team they play against will know that they have to cover Stills and the other guys.
lod01
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
I'm guessing he means Brees may look to feed Graham next week.
I'm not so sure though considering they won - and big - on the road.
CalBear
Footballguy
Good.
Here's a hint: NFL coaches don't care about your fantasy team. They care about winning football games, which they handily did today.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
jeaton6
Footballguy
Wow you are a genius. NOT. Hint: Cals program is a joke.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
Call it what you want but I am loving the fact that he zeroed out this week. Better than going 8-150 and 2 TDs.
Tusken Raider
Footballguy
Well, looks like he has screwed us all TM
jeaton6
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
steveski
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Anyway, yeah that was weird I was going up against Brees & Graham, thinking I would be scrambling for a comeback tonight.
Instead I'm at the ballet. Totally zen, knowing I just locked up a spot due to my opponents bad luck.
Instead I'm at the ballet. Totally zen, knowing I just locked up a spot due to my opponents bad luck.
lod01
Footballguy
I own him, I'm already in the playoffs so it's better to put up the goose egg the week before I need him.
FFdork
Footballguy
To my eyes, Graham hasn't looked the same since his injuries earlier in the year. Not bad, but just not as dynamic...and, therefore, more likely to put up some stinkers here and there.
I know the 'nobody is 100%' cliche at this point of the season, but it looks like he might be less 100% than others...would not be at all shocked if we get some revelations about the severity of injuries at the end of the season.
I know the 'nobody is 100%' cliche at this point of the season, but it looks like he might be less 100% than others...would not be at all shocked if we get some revelations about the severity of injuries at the end of the season.
Adam Harstad
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That's sort of Graham's modus operandi. For all the flak Gronk catches for missing time, Graham's dealt with injuries in each of the last two seasons and saw his numbers fall off a cliff in both.
Graham averaged 8.0/85.0 receiving over the first four weeks and has averaged 4.1/41.3 receiving since. Last year, Graham averaged 7.4/118.6 over the first five weeks, then tore his plantar fascia and averaged 4.5/56.5 the rest of the way. In 2012, Graham played the whole season with an undisclosed wrist injury that required offseason surgery and only averaged 5.7/65.5 for the year after a healthy 2011 when he averaged 6.2/81.9.
All told, since his breakout year in 2011 that's 89.7 yards per game when healthy and 57.1 yards per game when dealing with some nagging injury. Not that 57.1 yards per game is a bad average, all things considered, but it's like the difference between Rob Gronkowski and Jason Witten.
Faust
MVP
No catches for Jimmy Graham, no problem for Saints:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/11763/no-catches-for-jimmy-graham-no-problem-for-saints
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/11763/no-catches-for-jimmy-graham-no-problem-for-saints
zamboni
Footballguy
Sounds about right - fantasy owners are despondent, but Brees is too good of a QB to force the ball when not necessary. Lesser QBs would have tried to force feed Jimmy.
Graham is a team player that isn't whining about not being targeted, and the Saints won despite not involving him - don't expect a "we have to feed Jimmy" makeup next week by Payton and Brees if it's not there.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Does anyone think this might be related to his getting paid this past offseason?
zamboni
Footballguy
Hadn't thought of that, but certainly wouldn't be the first time a player didn't have quite the same drive as when he was working for a big contract.
Fever in the Funkhouse
Footballguy
He didnt get targeted because he cares less than he did before he got paid?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He wasn't in the game .... a lot. When it was Jimmy Graham time, he was on the sidelines a lot. Red zone, third downs, there he was on the bench. I think the Saints might feel as though they were protecting him. Or they are hiding his injuries a bit. I don't think he cares less. But when you have the opportunity to earn a lot of money, you'd probably be pushing a bit harder to get in there.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
IgglesFan
Footballguy
Yeah, why have solid, consistent production (like Demaryius, Antonio, Jordy, Gronk, etc) when you can hope for lightnin-in-a-bottle production?
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Goose egg from a first rounder in a critical FF week. Oooooof. Not trolling.. I am an owner.
Koya
Footballguy
Great post. I didn't have the figures, but as a Graham owner all three of the past years this is the life of a Graham owner. When healthy he may be the most valuable player in FF. But, as noted, he is always dealing with something and it has resulted in some late season duds. The promise of Stud RB1 / WR1 numbers from a TE is hard to ignore, but the shiny Toy tarnishes easily.
Koya
Footballguy
I believe he had a goose egg (or very, very close) at least once out of the last couple years, maybe both.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'd rather make Stills and Toon beat me than Jimmy Graham. If you don't put pressure on Brees he will beat you with players you're not doubling.
Doug B
Footballguy
I thought a lot of what the Saints were doing was simply crossing up Pittsburgh's film study of the Saints offense. Going to Graham predictably in certain situation was leading to jumped routes and a lot of check-downs.
GoBirds
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
this is kind of dumb excuse. A number of the tds thrown graham wasnt even in the game.
thatguy
Footballguy
Well said.joey said:Sure, gamblers fallacy and all...but we're not talking about truly random events here.
There are players, coaches, game plans, PRIDE, etc. involved. It's not random whether Graham gets a target or not. Sure, if he's hurt that's a totally different story (something must not be right with zero targets) but when a star player doesn't have anything go his way in a game, we've all seen instances where it seems the the coaches and other players go out of their way to feed that player in the following game. Not every time...but 60% of the tim3, it works every time.
That was also just an elaborate way to say
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
So what do you guys think with playoffs on the line? Are you trusting him this week? I realize you may not have a choice but what about leagues that lump WR and TE together. Would you sit him?
