JustinHawkins
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In one of my PPR dynasty leagues he was just traded for.....wait for it.....Bernard Pierce. Straight up.
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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA - 9.6.21 Workout For Baltimore (9 Viewers)
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Are we sure about that? Was there something/someone that come out and said that specifically or are you going by Tomlin's nebulous quote where he said "it's not as bad as Spaeth's Lis Franc injury".
Given that Spaeth's was a bad Lis Franc injury that required surgery that quote could be interpreted one of two ways. Either that Bell's Lis Franc injury (as it was previously reported) was the less severe kind that doesn't require surgery (compared to Spaeth's more severe one that did require surgery) or that Bell didn't have a Lis Franc injury at all. Was there anything that definitively said the latter interpretation is what Tomlin meant?
ETA: I could only find one report saying it's not a Lis Franc afterall.
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/08/22/Lisfranc-injury-ruled-out-LeVeon-Bell-could-still-be-out-for-a-while/4541377200448/
Granted that a) I've never heard of upi.com and b) that article seems to be just trying to interpret Tomlin's quote above (in a manner that all the other news sources seem unwilling to leap to) and doesn't seem to have any other info.
If it's not a Lis Franc then that's great news, but at this point I think it's still nebulous as to whether he had the less severe kind of Lis Franc injury or no Lis Franc injury at all.
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Boone22
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The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette describes Le'Veon Bell's right foot injury as a "small ligament tear," and expects Bell to miss "up to six weeks."
Six weeks seems like a long time at first glance, but it's nothing compared to initial fears of a Lisfranc sprain or fracture. Bell appears to have avoided that, and a six-week timetable could get him back into game action by the first week of October. Bell is worth no more than a mid- to late-round fantasy stab, but not all is lost. He still has a chance to be a 2013 fantasy asset.
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Aug 23 - 4:25 PM
Six weeks seems like a long time at first glance, but it's nothing compared to initial fears of a Lisfranc sprain or fracture. Bell appears to have avoided that, and a six-week timetable could get him back into game action by the first week of October. Bell is worth no more than a mid- to late-round fantasy stab, but not all is lost. He still has a chance to be a 2013 fantasy asset.
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Aug 23 - 4:25 PM
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
You must be the owner of one side of that trade. Rice isn't going anywhere, so Pierce, while a good backup, is just that. Bell is a 3 down back and will be the starter as soon as he's healthy. Not seeing how a backup is worth a starter, especially when the backup has an all pro in front of him.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
post 532 summed up some of the ambiguities about the specific language describing the injury...
there were some remaining questions about whether tomlin meant no lis franc, or a lis franc not as severe as spaeth...
it wasn't just on twitter...
I missed the part where 30 recent posts stated unequivocally and recited like a mantra no lis franc, as if there hasn't been an ongoing discussion about whether he did or not...
there has been conflicting information, when EG noted what sounded like new information, IMO it was worth exploring more closely...
you were responding to one post I made... that is way too much discussion by me?
whatever his injury, there is still enough uncertainty about return ETA to absolutely be worth discussing things like ADP impact, draftability, etc.
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3C's
Footballguy
Can't go on PUP but could go on IR/designated for return. Think they'll be using that on Spaeth though.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
thanks, EG...
that was helpful...
the statements that the injury was not as bad as feared, surgery not needed and sprain aren't mutually exclusive with lis franc...
but the most hopeful information is that he was doing weight bearing rehab already... i thought I read (maybe here in thread?) that lis franc would generally involve no weight bearing for two months (but maybe that was in reference to rehab for the kind associated with severity requiring surgery?) dunno, that would good to know...
unfortunately, it sounds like we can't use PUP inclusion to make inference about expected length of absence... i still also have some questions about what kind of game shape he will be in when he returns... but perhaps the weight bearing info bodes well there, too...
i really hope for his sake and the steelers playoff hopes bell has dodged a bullet - i like him and think he could be their primary RB (beyond this year, too, health permitting) with his developed passing game skills (receiving and blocking)...
still lot of uncertainty about ETA (maybe more risk of resprain than if he hadn't sprained in first place, even if he returns inside earlier state 6-8 week window?)... BTW, when asked, tomlin said that source was not internal... I think that came from prognosis, at best, IF it was lis franc sprain not requiring surgery, which some sources were reporting at one point?
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Guess I'm just not sold on Bell to start with, it's not like he's shown anything at the NFL level yet, while Pierce has even if you have to be more patient with him.
I would not consider Bell the starter at this point in time.
Somebody has chosen a higher floor and seemingly more of a "sure thing" in Pierce over the potential for a higher payout at some unknown point in the future in Bell.
It's not hard to look at Pierce' usage late in the season last year + the state of the Raven's offense and come to the conclusion that Pierce has value regardless of Rice.
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3C's
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Any update on when he will be back? Is he going on PUP? For keeper and dynasty folks, what rounds are you trying to grab and stash him?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
What do you consider many? Like 20, 30 people? Does Pierce have a large extended family?
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
i think he might be...
but bell doesn't have ray rice in front of him, and it isn't like rice is ancient (or hasn't been durable).
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Irrelevant, to some degree. Ask JStew owners.
MG345
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
The Football Freak
Footballguy
Just FYI, but it looks like Redman may be the week 1 starter.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/27/4664252/steelers-isaac-redman-leveon-bell-injury
"The Pittsburgh Steelers will start running back Isaac Redman if Le'Veon Bell isn't ready to go for Week 1 of the regular season, according to Dale Lolley of the Washington (Pa.) Observer-Reporter. Redman was competing with Jonathan Dwyer for the starting spot in the event that Bell would have to miss the game.
Bell is considered day-to-day with a foot injury. It was initially feared that he had a Lisfranc injury, but it was later described as a mid-foot sprain ... before everyone went back to calling it a Lisfranc injury. Fortunately, it was not the kind of injury that required season-ending surgery.
Redman is also dealing with some injuries of his own. He's missed two preseason games with a stinger injury, and has been ruled out of the team's fourth preseason game. That said, he's close to coming back, and might have played this week if it were a regular season game."
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/27/4664252/steelers-isaac-redman-leveon-bell-injury
"The Pittsburgh Steelers will start running back Isaac Redman if Le'Veon Bell isn't ready to go for Week 1 of the regular season, according to Dale Lolley of the Washington (Pa.) Observer-Reporter. Redman was competing with Jonathan Dwyer for the starting spot in the event that Bell would have to miss the game.
Bell is considered day-to-day with a foot injury. It was initially feared that he had a Lisfranc injury, but it was later described as a mid-foot sprain ... before everyone went back to calling it a Lisfranc injury. Fortunately, it was not the kind of injury that required season-ending surgery.
Redman is also dealing with some injuries of his own. He's missed two preseason games with a stinger injury, and has been ruled out of the team's fourth preseason game. That said, he's close to coming back, and might have played this week if it were a regular season game."
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Reports are all over the place on Bell. He's a nice stash as an Rb4 if you can get him there.
massraider
Footballguy
Bingo. He's value now.
Combo of the L-Word, and the line looking bad in preseason means you get a steal now. now he's a backup, and you don't need him till the bye weeks.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Right. I had a choice as a McCoy owner between Bell, pierce, and Bryce brown. Pierce was not considered and I went Bell over Broqn on upside alone even though I had handcuff value in Bryce. Once healthy I think Bells value far outstrips Browns.
massraider
Footballguy
Englishteacher
Footballguy
I agree with both sides here. Pierce is a really good back and in dynasty you roll more with talent. But then there is reality too. "Ask JStew owners."
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chinawildman
Footballguy
Not sure what the Steelers saw in Bell... he kind of reminds me of <gulp> Daniel thomas.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
In some leagues the question is whether he's worth a waiver claim. Some people really panicked when the news looked horrible.
wow, the guy has had what? 4 preseason carries and you are already writing him off?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I look at it this way. If he hits big, he's going to be a Michael Turner type guy. If he misses, you won't have much trouble cutting him.
DoubleG
Footballguy
I presume you don't mean the "playing behind the established starter for several years" part of the Michael Turner experience?
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Hey what does that emoticon mean? I've always wondered this.
It is great Bell has the boot off. Maybe he will be back by week 3.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Early 9th round in my 12 teamer tonight. After Vick Ballard, before Bernard Pierce.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Ballard could have a big year if Ahmad isn't fit. Def like Bell better than Pierce in redraft.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
When the old board software was running, the blackdot was to the left of all threads you had posted in.Hey what does that emoticon mean? I've always wondered this.
It is great Bell has the boot off. Maybe he will be back by week 3.
Some people would post random things to mark the thread so they could easily revisit it later.
Eventually this blackdot emoticon was added as an easy click to mark and save a thread.
Now with the new software we have a blue/white star
to the left of a thread you have posted in. But people still use this old emoticon.
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chinawildman
Footballguy
Wouldn't say I'm writing him off, but he looked pretty meh and the youtube scouting didn't impress much either.
Purple_King
Footballguy
I don't know if that'll matter though. Steelers sounds like they really want to use him as a workhorse rb. If he's healthy, he'll likely be the starting rb.
cstu
Footballguy
I'm one of the ones who thought he nimble enough for a big guy to succeed in the NFL, but I watched his carries against the Redskins and came away very unimpressed. I don't think he has very good vision and for a guy without an elite burst he runs somewhat soft. I'd be looking to sell him if I was an owner.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Just shoot me.
Not as a FF player, but as a Steeler fan.
Last thing I need is another high selection RB who lacks effort/heart again.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
I just don't get all the hate, and I admit I like him more than most. How can you say he ran soft on 4 carries on a bad knee?
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
This place can be funny (and I'm not excluding myself).
Bell is a top 3 rookie, gets dinged, doesn't look great on 4 preseason carries, sprains his foot...and the sky is falling.
Eddie Lacy is fat, injury prone, threatened by Franklin, then looks good in one game...and he's the top rookie RB.
All from a few pre-season carries.
Bell is a top 3 rookie, gets dinged, doesn't look great on 4 preseason carries, sprains his foot...and the sky is falling.
Eddie Lacy is fat, injury prone, threatened by Franklin, then looks good in one game...and he's the top rookie RB.
All from a few pre-season carries.
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Koya
Footballguy
It's the "black dot" emoticon to have a thread show up as one in which you replied on the thread list page of the forum.Hey what does that emoticon mean? I've always wondered this.It is great Bell has the boot off. Maybe he will be back by week 3.
The new board shows a star when you reply in a thread , the old board showed a black dot or something like that. Either way, people would just type a period in the thread so it would be listed among the threads they replied in, allowing them to more easily follow that thread. That turned into the Blackdot emoticon.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Bell should be a dynasty buy right now. If a month ago you thought Bell was close in value to guys like Ridley, Gio, Lacy, Miller, etc., you should be moving those guys for him+ right now, if you can afford to miss the RB2 production for 3-6 weeks. Nothing should have altered his value, with the exception of the 3-6 missed games. He's the same player he was a month ago.
TheFanatic
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Alberta Clipper
Footballguy
I took Bell early Aug in a keeper auction for $19-$20 (200 cap/18 roster).
After the injury I dropped him with the intention of rebuying him on blind bid waivers for cheaper.
I was thinking $6-10 would give me a fair shot at him especially since most franchises did not have more than $4-8 cap space (hard cap).
I gambled and lost out on the Bell bidding sweepstakes.
My bid was $7.05 and he went for just over $13 (2014 sal would be $19.80).
I'm ok with that but just thought I'd share my story.
I do see Bell still going in auctions (1 yr and keeper) for $9-15 range.
After the injury I dropped him with the intention of rebuying him on blind bid waivers for cheaper.
I was thinking $6-10 would give me a fair shot at him especially since most franchises did not have more than $4-8 cap space (hard cap).
I gambled and lost out on the Bell bidding sweepstakes.
My bid was $7.05 and he went for just over $13 (2014 sal would be $19.80).
I'm ok with that but just thought I'd share my story.
I do see Bell still going in auctions (1 yr and keeper) for $9-15 range.
Adam Harstad
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Agreed. When we have absolutely no evidence on how a player looks at the NFL level, even the tiniest scraps take on huge significance because that's all we have to go on. It's easy to lose sight of just how meager those scraps really are.
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