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This really feels like he's already signed and they're holding back on telling us to get ratings. The biggest fantasy football impact free agent maybe ever, people F5ing on Twitter and every sports website around. 

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12 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

This thread is off the rails...

Agree!! This has taken off like a jet before it hit a raven and crashed. Let’s shut er down!!

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11 minutes ago, belljr said:

you guys are arguing it was better to skip the 15 - to get 30-40.

In no scenario have I seen did anyone argue what if he didn't actually get hurt.....

The what if part = the risk in my post.

There was never any such thing as guaranteed 15 and guaranteed 30-40.  By definition the 30-40 was only guaranteed if he sat out.

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Lol yep Big Ben has been on the decline for several years. Baker only going to get better. It isn't close imo. 

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7 minutes ago, matuski said:

The what if part = the risk in my post.

There was never any such thing as guaranteed 15 and guaranteed 30-40.  By definition the 30-40 was only guaranteed if he sat out.

Again with the future guaranteed 30-40 million.  Free agency is like, now, and this money still isn't guaranteed, let along several months ago.

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26 minutes ago, Milkman said:

He is and it's not close. Prime Ben would give him a run but Big Ben is on the decline. Has been for a couple years. 

Steelers are in for a rude awakening. 

stinky bait

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Just feels more and more like Bell needs to take the Jets offer before his entire FA plan blows up in his face and he starts getting low-ball offers from the next group of teams.

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I hope they pull it back before he accepts it. Would love to see him sign come October or November for the veteran league minimum 

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1 minute ago, bryhamm said:

stinky bait

Yeah, that guy is the biggest Steeler troll around.  The thread is better with him on ignore (unless people keep quoting him :lol: )

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13 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

This really feels like he's already signed and they're holding back on telling us to get ratings. The biggest fantasy football impact free agent maybe ever, people F5ing on Twitter and every sports website around. 

Maybe Twitter is paying him for the shortfall in his deal to delay the news.

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4 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Lol yep Big Ben has been on the decline for several years. Baker only going to get better. It isn't close imo. 

as of right now, today, I believe most people would say Ben > Mayfield. Could this change in the (near) future? Of course.

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17 minutes ago, matuski said:

The what if part = the risk in my post.

There was never any such thing as guaranteed 15 and guaranteed 30-40.  By definition the 30-40 was only guaranteed if he sat out.

We don't even know if he will get that much guaranteed money...

So I'm not sure how it was guaranteed if he sat out?  What if his biggest offer is less than that? 

What if he got busted for something during the hold out? Just an example of how the 30-40 million isn't guaranteed until the contract is signed... 

What if sitting out soured too many teams and there isn't a market? This seems like it might have happened... 

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Shark Pool is especially useless today with the trolls out.  

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4 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Shark Pool is especially useless today with the trolls out.  

If you mean me I’m sorry and I’m not trying to be a troll, never have been, and I know he won’t sign for the veteran minimum as someone will step up.  I’m just stating I’d love to see nobody interested in his baggage and it to happen. Just wishful thinking. 

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1 minute ago, whole-show said:

If you mean me I’m sorry and I’m not trying to be a troll, never have been, and I know he won’t sign for the veteran minimum as someone will step up.  I’m just stating I’d love to see nobody interested in his baggage and it to happen. Just wishful thinking. 

Nah, man, I don't mean you. I just mean people that are obviously taking positions not moored in reality, taking positions against a particular team, etc. 

I'm talking about the usual suspects actually. People are having a debate that they've had for about the entire year. Let's wait a few hours and find out what's happened. Likelihood is neither side is right but the truth is somewhere in the middle. 

Foles got money between Keenum and Cousins money. 

Bell will get more guaranteed than the Steelers offered but less than hoped. 

The Steelers weren't entirely to blame, nor were Bell and Brown. 

Etc.  

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8 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Shark Pool is especially useless today with the trolls out.  

just today?

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Just now, beef said:

just today?

I generally get a lot out of the player threads and other threads. I do not get anything out of arguing about Le'Veon Bell all year, especially when the arguments have already been had and there's really nowhere to go with them until the contract details for his services are public. Then do the victory lap or the walk of shame. 

But again? 

It's just like beating the proverbial dead horse at this point. 

 

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8 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Nah, man, I don't mean you. I just mean people that are obviously taking positions not moored in reality, taking positions against a particular team, etc. 

I'm talking about the usual suspects actually. People are having a debate that they've had for about the entire year. Let's wait a few hours and find out what's happened. Likelihood is neither side is right but the truth is somewhere in the middle. 

Foles got money between Keenum and Cousins money. 

Bell will get more guaranteed than the Steelers offered but less than hoped. 

The Steelers weren't entirely to blame, nor were Bell and Brown. 

Etc.  

Agree! Especially with that last line. I can say I don’t know either AB or Bell personally so myself and a lot of other people can’t say what they have dealt with or maybe haven’t. It could be one side or the other, however when there are two star players sort of pulling the same stuff maybe there is something there with the organization. Nobody other than the people that are there know exactly what’s going on for real. I could be completely out of line hoping Bell gets screwed because he could be 100% right with what’s going on. It’s just the stuff we as fans here and that’s where my opinion comes from and like I stated I could be completely wrong. 

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37 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Again with the future guaranteed 30-40 million.  Free agency is like, now, and this money still isn't guaranteed, let along several months ago.

He will get the 30-40 guaranteed (or so I was just reading about the Jets offer).

The only way he could guarantee that is to be healthy like, now.

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1 minute ago, matuski said:

He will get the 30-40 guaranteed.

The only way he could guarantee that is to be healthy like, now.

Do you even know the definition of the word guarantee? 

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3 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Do you even know the definition of the word guarantee? 

Yep.  

You are going to have to get in line behind FC42 if your strategy here relies on insults.

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Word coming out from Bells inner circle that he is not happy with his counsel and their errors.

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Just now, BigSteelThrill said:

Word coming out from Bells inner circle that he is not happy with his counsel and their errors.

That will be hilarious if the case.

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3 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

Word coming out from Bells inner circle that he is not happy with his counsel and their errors.

ooooof

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5 minutes ago, matuski said:

Yep.  

You are going to have to get in line behind FC42 if your strategy here relies on insults.

You aren't very good at this.

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5 minutes ago, matuski said:

That will be hilarious if the case.

Why would YOU think this would be hilarious?

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Well since Bell’s “council” thinks all players are slaves.... sounds like 2019 in a nut shell. Imagine having the money the Steelers offered on the table not once but twice, walking, insulting them, sitting out a prime season of a traditionally short career and wasting $15 mil in the process. 

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Why would YOU think this would be hilarious?

You appear to be emotionally invested here (insults, name calling)... I am not.

I don't really care either way what happens.. if that is the case, it will be amusing.

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53 minutes ago, JoeSteeler said:

as of right now, today, I believe most people would say Ben > Mayfield. Could this change in the (near) future? Of course.

He nearly outperformed Big Ben without AB in 2 less games as a rookie. Now Ben doesn't have a top 5 WR and he's a year older. 

Not sure why Big Ben is universally thought of as better. 

:Shrug:

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8 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

You aren't very good at this.

He did argue aggressively a few years ago he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a fight, so he’s got that going for him. 

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Pat kirwan just said he's got an offer on the table from the jets for 5/85 with i think 50 guaranteed

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1 hour ago, Milkman said:

Lol yep Big Ben has been on the decline for several years. Baker only going to get better. It isn't close imo. 

Love to see him in his prime then. He had over 5000 yards this season and 34 TDs with 16 interceptions. 😂

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17 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

Word coming out from Bells inner circle that he is not happy with his counsel and their errors.

Like giving him advice no other counsel has given their clients in 20 years for obvious reasons?

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2 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

He did argue aggressively a few years ago he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a fight, so he’s got that going for him. 

I'm not sure a single piece of this statement is accurate.  Guess you had to be there.

And again.. when insults (or attempted insults) are your go to, kind of telling.  :shrug:

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This thread is useless at this point. 

 

I stand by my statement that this forum is at its best week 9 and until FA begins. There is a slight window of usefulness june-july as well. Trolls just get worse and worse 

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1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said:

Browns fan here.  Please stop saying Baker is better than Ben.  That just isn't true right now and makes you sound silly.

One guy said it. Tell him.

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1 minute ago, bostonfred said:

Pat kirwan just said he's got an offer on the table from the jets for 5/85 with i think 50 guaranteed

I am torn at this point, really nice offer that I would expect his to take, but the longer this goes, the more people lose their minds

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3 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Pat kirwan just said he's got an offer on the table from the jets for 5/85 with i think 50 guaranteed

You can’t believe that at this point. AB got 30 mil guaranteed, Trent Brown 34 mil guaranteed. If he had that contract in hand it would be done or he’s quite possibly even more dumb than I already think he is.

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4 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Pat kirwan just said he's got an offer on the table from the jets for 5/85 with i think 50 guaranteed

50 guaranteed. Wonder if any caveats for his 2 strikes are present in that offer. If not he needs to jump -- if its about money.

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1 minute ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Man the info being reported on this is just all over the place.

Even he signs you'll know the team but we are all  going to get bad info on the contract. You'll probably hear about some huge guarantee, like the Gurley deal but when the contract really gets broke down on overthecap.com or spotrac.com you'll see, like Gurley, the whole bunch of those guarantees are not really guaranteed. It's going to be a contract designed to look better then it actually will be with guarantees for injuries and stipulations in future years that state "if he's on the roster" 3 days within the new league year type of stuff.

 

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4 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Pat kirwan just said he's got an offer on the table from the jets for 5/85 with i think 50 guaranteed

I actually almost believe this bc this is the idiot GM that didn’t top 3/27 for Paradis. Wouldn’t fill a gaping hole for that, but will overpay for a RB - Jets just being Jets.

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Kirwan is the least sensationalist guy in this business and doesn't care about breaking news.  If he says that came from someone he trusted then I believe him.  That doesn't mean it's fully accurate, but his guys don't burn him often. 

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10 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Pat kirwan just said he's got an offer on the table from the jets for 5/85 with i think 50 guaranteed

if true....start the countdown to the "well yeah it worked out for him......but it still wasn't a good decision" posts.....

but the "but they will make it seem better than it really is" posts have already been teed up...

 

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5 minutes ago, matuski said:

I'm not sure a single piece of this statement is accurate.  Guess you had to be there.

And again.. when insults (or attempted insults) are your go to, kind of telling.  :shrug:

I’d rather be direct with an insult than a condescending tool. 

& yes, you did :shrug:

 

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2 minutes ago, Bojang0301 said:

You can’t believe that at this point. AB got 30 mil guaranteed, Trent Brown 34 mil guaranteed. If he had that contract in hand it would be done or he’s quite possibly even more dumb than I already think he is.

Right and was just saying something similar in my last post. Gurley contract is my best example. Was reported as $45M in guarantees but was really just $21M in true guarantees, all the rest was dependent on being on the roster and injuries. That's how Bell's contract is going to look.

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Posted (edited)

Watch the Jets say screw this and sign Coleman... 

They probably want to sign their backup option if Bell doesn't like their offer.  Wait too long and Coleman could sign elsewhere. 

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2 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

I actually almost believe this bc this is the idiot GM that didn’t top 3/27 for Paradis. Wouldn’t fill a gaping hole for that, but will overpay for a RB - Jets just being Jets.

And the pedal begins its slow backward motion, on queue.

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