Steeler
Footballguy
Yeah, that guy is the biggest Steeler troll around. The thread is better with him on ignore (unless people keep quoting him
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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA - 9.6.21 Workout For Baltimore (9 Viewers)
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Deamon
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
as of right now, today, I believe most people would say Ben > Mayfield. Could this change in the (near) future? Of course.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
We don't even know if he will get that much guaranteed money...
So I'm not sure how it was guaranteed if he sat out? What if his biggest offer is less than that?
What if he got busted for something during the hold out? Just an example of how the 30-40 million isn't guaranteed until the contract is signed...
What if sitting out soured too many teams and there isn't a market? This seems like it might have happened...
rockaction
Footballguy
Shark Pool is especially useless today with the trolls out.
whole-show
Footballguy
If you mean me I’m sorry and I’m not trying to be a troll, never have been, and I know he won’t sign for the veteran minimum as someone will step up. I’m just stating I’d love to see nobody interested in his baggage and it to happen. Just wishful thinking.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Nah, man, I don't mean you. I just mean people that are obviously taking positions not moored in reality, taking positions against a particular team, etc.
I'm talking about the usual suspects actually. People are having a debate that they've had for about the entire year. Let's wait a few hours and find out what's happened. Likelihood is neither side is right but the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Foles got money between Keenum and Cousins money.
Bell will get more guaranteed than the Steelers offered but less than hoped.
The Steelers weren't entirely to blame, nor were Bell and Brown.
Etc.
beef
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I generally get a lot out of the player threads and other threads. I do not get anything out of arguing about Le'Veon Bell all year, especially when the arguments have already been had and there's really nowhere to go with them until the contract details for his services are public. Then do the victory lap or the walk of shame.
But again?
It's just like beating the proverbial dead horse at this point.
whole-show
Footballguy
Agree! Especially with that last line. I can say I don’t know either AB or Bell personally so myself and a lot of other people can’t say what they have dealt with or maybe haven’t. It could be one side or the other, however when there are two star players sort of pulling the same stuff maybe there is something there with the organization. Nobody other than the people that are there know exactly what’s going on for real. I could be completely out of line hoping Bell gets screwed because he could be 100% right with what’s going on. It’s just the stuff we as fans here and that’s where my opinion comes from and like I stated I could be completely wrong.
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matuski
Footballguy
He will get the 30-40 guaranteed (or so I was just reading about the Jets offer).
The only way he could guarantee that is to be healthy like, now.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Yep.
You are going to have to get in line behind FC42 if your strategy here relies on insults.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Word coming out from Bells inner circle that he is not happy with his counsel and their errors.
matuski
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Well since Bell’s “council” thinks all players are slaves.... sounds like 2019 in a nut shell. Imagine having the money the Steelers offered on the table not once but twice, walking, insulting them, sitting out a prime season of a traditionally short career and wasting $15 mil in the process.
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matuski
Footballguy
You appear to be emotionally invested here (insults, name calling)... I am not.
I don't really care either way what happens.. if that is the case, it will be amusing.
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Milkman
Footballguy
He nearly outperformed Big Ben without AB in 2 less games as a rookie. Now Ben doesn't have a top 5 WR and he's a year older.
Not sure why Big Ben is universally thought of as better.
:Shrug:
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
He did argue aggressively a few years ago he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a fight, so he’s got that going for him.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Pat kirwan just said he's got an offer on the table from the jets for 5/85 with i think 50 guaranteed
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Like giving him advice no other counsel has given their clients in 20 years for obvious reasons?
matuski
Footballguy
I'm not sure a single piece of this statement is accurate. Guess you had to be there.
And again.. when insults (or attempted insults) are your go to, kind of telling.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
This thread is useless at this point.
I stand by my statement that this forum is at its best week 9 and until FA begins. There is a slight window of usefulness june-july as well. Trolls just get worse and worse
I stand by my statement that this forum is at its best week 9 and until FA begins. There is a slight window of usefulness june-july as well. Trolls just get worse and worse
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
rzrback77
Footballguy
I am torn at this point, really nice offer that I would expect his to take, but the longer this goes, the more people lose their minds
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
You can’t believe that at this point. AB got 30 mil guaranteed, Trent Brown 34 mil guaranteed. If he had that contract in hand it would be done or he’s quite possibly even more dumb than I already think he is.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
50 guaranteed. Wonder if any caveats for his 2 strikes are present in that offer. If not he needs to jump -- if its about money.
Even he signs you'll know the team but we are all going to get bad info on the contract. You'll probably hear about some huge guarantee, like the Gurley deal but when the contract really gets broke down on overthecap.com or spotrac.com you'll see, like Gurley, the whole bunch of those guarantees are not really guaranteed. It's going to be a contract designed to look better then it actually will be with guarantees for injuries and stipulations in future years that state "if he's on the roster" 3 days within the new league year type of stuff.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I actually almost believe this bc this is the idiot GM that didn’t top 3/27 for Paradis. Wouldn’t fill a gaping hole for that, but will overpay for a RB - Jets just being Jets.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Kirwan is the least sensationalist guy in this business and doesn't care about breaking news. If he says that came from someone he trusted then I believe him. That doesn't mean it's fully accurate, but his guys don't burn him often.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
if true....start the countdown to the "well yeah it worked out for him......but it still wasn't a good decision" posts.....
but the "but they will make it seem better than it really is" posts have already been teed up...
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I’d rather be direct with an insult than a condescending tool.I'm not sure a single piece of this statement is accurate. Guess you had to be there.
And again.. when insults (or attempted insults) are your go to, kind of telling.
& yes, you did
Right and was just saying something similar in my last post. Gurley contract is my best example. Was reported as $45M in guarantees but was really just $21M in true guarantees, all the rest was dependent on being on the roster and injuries. That's how Bell's contract is going to look.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Watch the Jets say screw this and sign Coleman...
They probably want to sign their backup option if Bell doesn't like their offer. Wait too long and Coleman could sign elsewhere.
They probably want to sign their backup option if Bell doesn't like their offer. Wait too long and Coleman could sign elsewhere.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
If he gets 5/85 with 50 fully guaranteed, he’s a genius and I’m wildly incorrect.
bostonfred
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
matuski
Footballguy
I’d rather be direct with an insult than a condescending tool.
& yes, you did
You and ghost are both being condescending and insulting anyone who disagrees with your take on what you would do in Bells case. I'm not the only one calling you out on it.
It isn't something to get mad about guys. Why is it upsetting you enough to insult people?
The Pacquiao thread was before you even joined the board. What 14 years ago now? Either way, you also seem to think this is an insult... which is also weird.
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Steeler
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
FTR, based on Kirwan's and earlier reports, I think the Jets gave him a too good to refuse offer. But b/c they are the Jets, he's trying a last ditch effort to get the Ravens, Raiders or some other dark horse to come close, or at least up their bids significantly.
For all the talk about this guy being only about money, I sense he may be willing to forego a good amount of cash to play with a team more to his liking. I think his issue with Pittsburgh was as much about principles and respect as much as it was about straight dollars and sense.
Let's see how this plays out. Won't be surprised to see him take 10-20% less than what the Jets are offering to play for Chucky and AB or with LJax instead.
For all the talk about this guy being only about money, I sense he may be willing to forego a good amount of cash to play with a team more to his liking. I think his issue with Pittsburgh was as much about principles and respect as much as it was about straight dollars and sense.
Let's see how this plays out. Won't be surprised to see him take 10-20% less than what the Jets are offering to play for Chucky and AB or with LJax instead.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Would be an ethical conflict of interest and worthy of a lawsuit if Colemans agent didnt represent him to his fullest ability
rockaction
Footballguy
They're reporting it this way and I don't see how any of this is fair to Coleman, either. Your agent needs to represent you, not the rest of his clientele.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Agreed but also have to assume this happens a bunch? There can’t NOT be a conflict of interest occasionally when one agent represents several players.
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