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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA - 9.6.21 Workout For Baltimore (9 Viewers)
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
That’s highly debateable. If he showed up he would have essentially gotten $25 million for the past two seasons. Whatever though, the wagons have been circled and circled again in this thread.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Of course it would look bad if he skipped the playoffs. But is that gonna drop his future contract from 40 million guaranteed to 15 million guaranteed? No.
He isnt risking getting nothing for 25 grand a game. He isnt even doing that for 900 grand a game.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You're just not paying attention or willingly have your head in the sand. Its a very realistic possibility(if he does sit the 10 games)
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foxco
Footballguy
Isn’t he one step away from a lengthy suspension? On that alone he’s not worth Gurley’s contract IMO.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I don't know if anyone saw this but Bell's agent is MJD's former agent. This agent was also MJD's best man at his wedding. MJD was on the NFL network saying that his former agent had learned from past mistakes, where MJD didn't hold out, was run into the ground by JAC to the point where he broke his foot. MJD says Bell should hold out until week 11 and since MJD is so close with Bell's agent you can tell he has some inside information about the situation.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't think he is. I forget the details, and I just tried to look it up, but I don't think he is in stage 2 or further. If he got popped for a banned substance I am pretty sure he would only get 4 games, not a year, but I could be wrong and can't find anything on it.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
How so? Because you said so? You are literally the only person that has said it. Not Bell, not his agent, not the Steelers, not any NFL insiders, not espn. It is realistic to you because you thought of it.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
We will find out next year, but I suspect if he gets anything near what Gurley got he would have signed.
VaTerp
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Steelers should lock the doors today and not return calls. Leave a note saying first week roster is locked and all team and business transactions are done for week 1. Open for business as usual Monday morning.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Its actually been in articles posted in this very thread.msudaisy26 said:
buck naked
Footballguy
I look forward to getting actually news instead of everyone's guesses.
shadyridr
Footballguy
On the first drive!How awesome would it be if Connor blows up for 200 total yards and a TD or two?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
gethugefast1
Footballguy
grab ajayi & coleman; forget matty ice & foles[icon] said:I draft at 6pm ET
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
As part of the settlement that reduced his four-game suspension to three games, Le'Veon Bell was kept in Stage 2 of the NFL's substance abuse program.
This is a quietly big deal for Bell in Dynasty leagues. His next violation would not cost him ten games or a full season, which would've been the case had Bell advanced to Stage 3 of the substance abuse program. Instead, any future failed or missed test would only result in another four-game suspension. Expect to see Bell resume going in the late first round of fantasy drafts. DeAngelo Williams will only open the season starting three games, not four.
Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
Fri, Aug 19, 2016 03:56:00 PM
So his next failed test would be a 4 game suspension.
This is a quietly big deal for Bell in Dynasty leagues. His next violation would not cost him ten games or a full season, which would've been the case had Bell advanced to Stage 3 of the substance abuse program. Instead, any future failed or missed test would only result in another four-game suspension. Expect to see Bell resume going in the late first round of fantasy drafts. DeAngelo Williams will only open the season starting three games, not four.
Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
Fri, Aug 19, 2016 03:56:00 PM
So his next failed test would be a 4 game suspension.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
stated this a while back in this thread; bell skips 10 games, no way he plays in playoffs for $26K+ first 2 games; think jerry jones like, one owner will indeed not care how many games bell skips, he will get paid; now whether he's worth it is not up to anyone but some crazy owner, and there is at least 1ghostguy123 said:
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rangerforme
Footballguy
I'm guessing 99% of them play for the love of the money.Stuart Ullman said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If being guaranteed 14.5 million right now with a great chance at boatloads more next year is wrong, then I dont wanna be right.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
MJD also wrote an article about it. My previous post was him giving more context after the article was published.
Given how close MJD is with Bell's agent, I assume MJD is giving advice to Bell, whether it be directly or through the agent.
If working a dangerous job for much less than I’m worth for an employer who has demonstrated that they will not pay me fairly and will put their interests ahead of mine is right, I want to be wrong.
Steeler
Footballguy
Nah, it makes sense. If Bell is willing to sacrifice $8.5M to limit wear on his body to preserve himself for FA, why would he expose his body to danger in playoff games (that he’s not contractually obligated to play) for a max of like $200K (IIRC)?
theplayer11
Footballguy
Rbs are of little value in today's game. It's a passing league and just about every hand off from a good QB is a waste.
I can see teams with marginal QBs wanting someone like Bell, but the elite teams do not need him.
I can see teams with marginal QBs wanting someone like Bell, but the elite teams do not need him.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Me too. FFPC?[icon] said:I draft at 6pm ET
theplayer11
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
You realize you are like 5 years behind everyone else? Back then no one was taking 1st round running backs and the position was going RBBC. Now lots of teams are taking 1st round backs again.
The shift is going back to every down backs the pay just hasn't caught up yet.
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theplayer11
Footballguy
Only the foolish teams will go back to one 3 down back. I don't see the shift you are talking about. When was the last time a SB winner had an elite RB? They are not needed, and may actual be a detriment to teams with good QBs. What is the Steelers points per game with and without Bell?
BigJim®
Footballguy
This is why I'm not unsympathetic to NFL owners. In a nutshell, MJD wished he'd held out for a megadeal, while acknowledging he was effectively done as a player 7 games after that. So, if things had worked out in his 20/20 hindsight world, he'd have a whole lot of cash he is not earning, resulting in dead money hurting the franchise for years to come. That's considered fair and just to people? I guess I'm just missing the principle.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The Seahawks with Lynch. The Ravens with Ray Rice. Look at the draft, running backs are going earlier and earlier in the last 5 years. There are many ways to win a super bowl. Teams have done it without an elite qb, teams have done it without elite receivers, teams have done it with bad defenses. There is no exact formula. I am not looking through the numbers, but it is a small sample size and they still had an elite running back in most of those games with DeAngelo Williams. Connor might be elite, but if he isn't then I bet their points per game would suffer.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I don't know, I'm honestly completely indifferent. I only care about how it applies to fantasy.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
And what about the years before when the owners paid him peanuts for his elite production?
BigJim®
Footballguy
So the principle is the Jags should pay dead money in 2012-2014 to compensate MJDs 2011 season? Ok, maybe I'll go with that if guys who underproduce on whopper deals give money back. The principle can't work 1 direction.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The reason Barkley went so early this year is because one guy who can run and catch is harder to defend against than one guy who can run and one who can catch. You can't make defensive substitutions on any down because of the personnel. You can go no huddle and be much more dangerous. The premium guys are legitimately more valuable, but it's hard to plow 25 percent of your cap space into the QB and rb and still field a good team around them. You really need to commit to the decision if you get one of these guys.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Sigh. So sick of this saga. Sounds like it's going to be a ####show for most of the season.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That isn't how it works, but if you want it that way then the Jags should have paid him like an elite running back after the other seasons.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Underperforming players are cut ALL THE TIME. It's exactly why Bell rejected the $70 MM 'deal' they offered. Because they'd have the ability to cut his ### after $10 MM and one season if he suffered a Lis Franc like MJD.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That is the other thing you aren't considering, MJD got hurt playing for them. That is different than not producing.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Bottom line is the days of teams getting to avail cheap rookie deals may be numbered. The players are figuring out that 4-5 years of your prime on a day 2+ contract is wholly unbalanced out of their favor. This is especially true for chewed up and spit out RBs. College kids have an even bigger gripe along the same lines, but they have zero ability to change it, whereas the pros can (and will probably now will more often) hold out and create a boat of drama - like Mack did successfully, and now Leveon is mimicking. I'm a Raiders fan and drafted Leveon last week on one of my two (not two hundred) teams. But I am also trying see what's really happening here and consider the full ramifications from an unbiased view.
In Mack's case, I thought he should've taken a hometown discount (i.e. the Von Miller+ contract that was offered), but he wanted and received a contract that blew that one out of the water, even if at the team's detriment. This even after getting paid $18 MM in 4 years already as a former top 5 pick. In Bell's case, the Stillers offer is laughable. Especially when you consider his prime years were spent getting $4m for 4 years. He did himself no favors by smoking the reef, but c'mon. That production and that contract were so out of whack and this new 'offer' was so lame that I am not surprised at all to see him take a #### you stance. This especially after seeing Gurley get paid and Mack use the same #### you tactic to get PAID.
In Mack's case, I thought he should've taken a hometown discount (i.e. the Von Miller+ contract that was offered), but he wanted and received a contract that blew that one out of the water, even if at the team's detriment. This even after getting paid $18 MM in 4 years already as a former top 5 pick. In Bell's case, the Stillers offer is laughable. Especially when you consider his prime years were spent getting $4m for 4 years. He did himself no favors by smoking the reef, but c'mon. That production and that contract were so out of whack and this new 'offer' was so lame that I am not surprised at all to see him take a #### you stance. This especially after seeing Gurley get paid and Mack use the same #### you tactic to get PAID.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
You don't have to pick the player's side or the owner's side to understand both have valid positions.
In the end owners and players make decisions out of self interest and self preservation.
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