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1 hour ago, stbugs said:

We now know it was rushed because they had zero clue what to do without the source material. I can just imagine them going he let’s do something like the Shwarma scene in Avengers because all the fans care more about the characters than the story (wrong). It’s the same thing that derailed TWD. They felt the characters were number 1 so they built scripts around them instead of keeping it gritty and real and realizing that these aren’t soap operas/character driven shows.

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

I think I've said it before, but I wish George had just dropped any pretense of trying to finish the books and taken over the writing of the show.  It was the only way we were going to get any kind of satisfying ending.   

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49 minutes ago, jplvr said:

I don't buy this. Some of the best episodes were filmed after the source material ran out, and anyone who has read the books knows the source material was #### for just about everything after Season 4 of the show. 

Their problem was getting lazy and wanting to move on. They admit to this, so we don't really need to dig deep and look for other answers. The show sucked the last two seasons because they no longer wanted to do it, and HBO didn't have the guts to take it away from them. HBO wanted more episodes and offered them the budget, but they said, "nah, we'll just wrap 2-3 seasons worth of material in 13(?) episodes."

I’ll believe you because I never read the books. The difference/drop off was so drastic. It’s disappointing to think they just got tired of it and didn’t care. Also, too bad HBO didn’t take it back over. I would have waited another year to get a real last season.

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1 hour ago, jplvr said:

I don't buy this. Some of the best episodes were filmed after the source material ran out, and anyone who has read the books knows the source material was #### for just about everything after Season 4 of the show. 

Their problem was getting lazy and wanting to move on. They admit to this, so we don't really need to dig deep and look for other answers. The show sucked the last two seasons because they no longer wanted to do it, and HBO didn't have the guts to take it away from them. HBO wanted more episodes and offered them the budget, but they said, "nah, we'll just wrap 2-3 seasons worth of material in 13(?) episodes."

I think it can be both. 

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3 hours ago, stbugs said:

We now know it was rushed because they had zero clue what to do without the source material. I can just imagine them going he let’s do something like the Shwarma scene in Avengers because all the fans care more about the characters than the story (wrong). It’s the same thing that derailed TWD. They felt the characters were number 1 so they built scripts around them instead of keeping it gritty and real and realizing that these aren’t soap operas/character driven shows.

I blame George for not getting off his ### and finishing it and letting these guys destroy our favorite show. I haven’t had any desire to rewatch it at all. Knowing where it ends kind of kills any desire. I don’t know if I even care about any spin-offs if the same people are involved. When left to their own devices, they were terrible. 

None of us know the details of all this, so IMO it's hard to put the hard blame on any one person involved.  Seems like an epic #### up all around.  

I get the sentiment of the bolded if part of the deal was that he promised the 6th and 7th books to be done by the time they needed them.  If not, I am not sure why it was his show to save or if he would have had the power to do it anyway.  Supposedly he gave them an outline of what the series was heading towards.  I think more fault lies with whoever had the power to force the issue and hire actual writers and chose not to go down that path.  In the end I think all involved saw the ratings going up, the money pouring in, and really didn't care a ton beyond that.  

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2 hours ago, jplvr said:

I don't buy this. Some of the best episodes were filmed after the source material ran out, and anyone who has read the books knows the source material was #### for just about everything after Season 4 of the show. 

Their problem was getting lazy and wanting to move on. They admit to this, so we don't really need to dig deep and look for other answers. The show sucked the last two seasons because they no longer wanted to do it, and HBO didn't have the guts to take it away from them. HBO wanted more episodes and offered them the budget, but they said, "nah, we'll just wrap 2-3 seasons worth of material in 13(?) episodes."

I guess I don't know how deals and shows like this work.  Did HBO have no power to force this issue?   Basically tell them they wanted 3 more seasons at least, and if they don't do it they will go a different direction?  Or did they get some iron-clad sweet deal from the get-go where they had total control over this?

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https://www.cnet.com/news/hbo-game-of-thrones-prequel-with-naomi-watts-isnt-happening-reports-say/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b

 

Big news from the Game of Thrones universe. Multiple media outlets, including Deadline and The Hollywood Reporter, are reporting that HBO will not be making the Game of Thrones prequel starring Naomi Watts and Josh Whitehouse. We'll update with any official comment from HBO as soon as we receive it.

The show was set far earlier than Ned Stark days, with a focus on the first battle between man and the first White Walkers.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

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I guess the pilot was pretty bad. Better to cancel than to trot out a pile of ####.

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Man that had to be pretty expensive to film just to cancel it. 

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4 minutes ago, Worm said:

I guess the pilot was pretty bad. Better to cancel than to trot out a pile of ####.

We will always have seasons 1-6 to fondly watch again and again.

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37 minutes ago, Todem said:

We will always have seasons 1-4 to fondly watch again and again.

FYP

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7 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

I guess I don't know how deals and shows like this work.  Did HBO have no power to force this issue?   Basically tell them they wanted 3 more seasons at least, and if they don't do it they will go a different direction?  Or did they get some iron-clad sweet deal from the get-go where they had total control over this?

It would seem the easiest answer would be they trusted them when they said they didn't need more episodes or time. Considering the budget and ever increasing payroll, I doubt it was an answer which was received poorly.

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2 hours ago, jplvr said:

It would seem the easiest answer would be they trusted them when they said they didn't need more episodes or time. Considering the budget and ever increasing payroll, I doubt it was an answer which was received poorly.

If that was the case, why would HBO have been asking them for more seasons?  

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Yeah, if they want this franchise to survive, the next installment needs to be an absolute slam dunk. Lots of dragons blowing stuff up is the safest bet

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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwyjy/hbos-first-official-game-of-thrones-prequel-spinoff-will-be-based-on-house-targaryen?utm_source=vicetwitterus

HBO's First Official 'GoT' Spinoff Will Be Based on House Targaryen

House of the Dragon.

 

The new series is an adaptation of George R.R. Martin's sprawling, encyclopedic history of House Targaryen, Fire and Blood, and it's called, unsurprisingly, House of the Dragon.

 

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3 hours ago, TLEF316 said:

Yeah, if they want this franchise to survive, the next installment needs to be an absolute slam dunk. Lots of dragons blowing stuff up is the safest bet

If this was the case, why was it so wildly popular for the first few years? I would argue great characters and dialogue, not zombies and dragons.  So the safest bet might actually to give a #### about those 2 things again and get away from the zombie kidnapping quests.  

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How many of the spinoffs are still left in development? At one time they had like 5 or 6 different ones all going.

Going back to the Targ conquest could be really good if they hire some actual writers this time. Especially if they work in the mystery of what the hell happened to Valyria somehow.

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1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

If this was the case, why was it so wildly popular for the first few years? I would argue great characters and dialogue, not zombies and dragons.  So the safest bet might actually to give a #### about those 2 things again and get away from the zombie kidnapping quests.  

 

For the hardcore fans of the show? Sure.

For the unwashed masses that made it a megahit (and weren't really all that turned off by the ending)....they'll tune in for the big splashy stuff.  

I'm talking about the people who don't know most of the characters names.

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22 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

FYP

Only seasons 1-4? Season five had some EPIC episodes. Hardhomme being spectacular. 

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1 minute ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Apparently they got booted from SW after the GOT finale. Lol.

Is that the story? 

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4 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Apparently they got booted from SW after the GOT finale. Lol.

Disney knows the wrath of pissed off nerds.

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EC has to get over it.  Keeps trying to relive her GOT fame.  Unfortunately for her she has probably peaked professionally.

 

Peaked by a mountain

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On 11/21/2019 at 11:08 AM, The Dude said:

EC has to get over it.  Keeps trying to relive her GOT fame.  Unfortunately for her she has probably peaked professionally.

 

Peaked by a mountain

Where's this coming from?

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On 10/30/2019 at 11:56 AM, TLEF316 said:

 

For the hardcore fans of the show? Sure.

For the unwashed masses that made it a megahit (and weren't really all that turned off by the ending)....they'll tune in for the big splashy stuff.  

I'm talking about the people who don't know most of the characters names.

If anyone watched this show for the last decade, they know enough names.

So many larger than life characters developed and so many story lines with each.

Even if they don't remember off the top of their heads names like Joffrey or Ygritte.. they can tell you these stories.

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1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

Where's this coming from?

I can't figure it out either.  Emilia Clarke is about the most likable celebrity in the world (Tom Hanks and her are 1a and 1b) and doesn't shy away from GoT or her role on it, which she gets asked about constantly.  As for peaking professionally, I would say it safe to say that most of the major actors on that show will never equal or top their GoT role, so that is not necessarily a bad thing.  I would definitely concede that Clarke is certainly a bit of a mark for her GoT character, as she clearly gets a big kick out of "Khaleesi" or "bend the knee" references, but I think that's just her personality.  She is adorably hilarious and silly and has no problem playing along with the references for the fun of it.  In a world of people who take themselves too seriously, her relaxed, down-to-earth attitude is a breath of fresh air. 

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6 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

I can't figure it out either.  Emilia Clarke is about the most likable celebrity in the world (Tom Hanks and her are 1a and 1b) and doesn't shy away from GoT or her role on it, which she gets asked about constantly.  As for peaking professionally, I would say it safe to say that most of the major actors on that show will never equal or top their GoT role, so that is not necessarily a bad thing.  I would definitely concede that Clarke is certainly a bit of a mark for her GoT character, as she clearly gets a big kick out of "Khaleesi" or "bend the knee" references, but I think that's just her personality.  She is adorably hilarious and silly and has no problem playing along with the references for the fun of it.  In a world of people who take themselves too seriously, her relaxed, down-to-earth attitude is a breath of fresh air. 

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My comment is in that she is now reliving her challenges with nude scenes - which I am sympathetic too - but time to move on career wise.  Time to talk about the present - but she has like nothing going in the present

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21 minutes ago, The Dude said:

My comment is in that she is now reliving her challenges with nude scenes - which I am sympathetic too - but time to move on career wise.  Time to talk about the present - but she has like nothing going in the present

She is only reliving it because in her PRESENT projects, she says she is pressured for nudity because of her GoT past.

She doesn't seem to be the one with issues moving on.

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1 hour ago, The Dude said:

My comment is in that she is now reliving her challenges with nude scenes - which I am sympathetic too - but time to move on career wise.  Time to talk about the present - but she has like nothing going in the present

I've seen her on shows and listened to a couple podcasts - and she is willing to talk about GOT b/c that is what people want to ask about, but also talks about her upcoming movie (Last Christmas, I think?) and her desire to get back to theater which is more of a passion for it seems.  

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1 hour ago, The Dude said:

My comment is in that she is now reliving her challenges with nude scenes - which I am sympathetic too - but time to move on career wise.  Time to talk about the present - but she has like nothing going in the present

Except for a film that is doing well at the box office so far this month (top 5 its first two weeks), right? 

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1 hour ago, The Dude said:

My comment is in that she is now reliving her challenges with nude scenes - which I am sympathetic too - but time to move on career wise.  Time to talk about the present - but she has like nothing going in the present

She was just in Solo last year. That was a huge movie. Maybe she’s just taking a break. 

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23 hours ago, The Dude said:

My comment is in that she is now reliving her challenges with nude scenes - which I am sympathetic too - but time to move on career wise.  Time to talk about the present - but she has like nothing going in the present

You mean answering the questions she was recently asked specifically about them on Dax podcast?

She didn't just come out of the blue complaining :shrug:

And she has a movie that just came out, has been doing plays and just ended another movie....

:unsure:

 

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On 5/19/2019 at 10:49 PM, OrtonToOlsen said:

The Wire is definitely one of the top 5 series ever.

Probably more like definitely one of the top 1 series ever. 

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Regarding EC, I don’t see actors promoting a new movie by talking about scenes they did ten years ago.  

Move on

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1 hour ago, The Dude said:

Regarding EC, I don’t see actors promoting a new movie by talking about scenes they did ten years ago.  

Move on

Was she asked a question about GOT, or did she bring it up?  I would assume that if she would refuse to talk about GOT stuff, she would be labeled as a #####.  

I thought it was interesting when I heard the Dax pod what she was talking about with the first S1 of GOT stuff and how actors, especially for first roles, might not know 100% what they signed up for or how to handle those situations.  :shrug:

 

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