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WR Amari Cooper, CLE (5 Viewers)
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Foosball God
Foos
What does this say about the Raiders and/or Derek Carr?
I'm about as down on Carr as I am any QB or player in the league but sometimes the chemistry just does not work out, not always a party to blame, just the mix does not work and like some relationships growth can only occur through separation. Still hard to fathom how they could ignore him for such long stretches.
But before we pile on Raiders/ Carr, which I'm usually quick to do, I leave you with this tweet I read earlier this morning:
Try and make sense of this: Amari Cooper 6 games with Raiders 22-280-12.7-1 TD. 6 games with Dallas 40-642-16.1-6 TDs. Derek Carr in 6 games with Cooper 223-150-71.7 (8 ints, 7 TDs) 89.9 rating; Carr 7 games w/out Cooper 223-150-67.3 ) (ints, 8 TDs ) 105.4 rating.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Cooper is a good example of how watching games helps you in fantasy. Stats only guys can't see the insane separation he gets just from footwork.
If you watched Cooper play a lot, it was a lot easier to maintain the faith.
This kid is a player. He has that Antonio Brown route running factor and now he has the volume to go with it.
If you watched Cooper play a lot, it was a lot easier to maintain the faith.
This kid is a player. He has that Antonio Brown route running factor and now he has the volume to go with it.
az_prof
Footballguy
Right. I saw him getting open. He just wasn't getting the ball. And he has always been a great after the catch guy.
az_prof
Footballguy
I wouldn't trade him for less than a mid-first. Hard to say not knowing much about next year's draft class. Given his youth, I probably would prefer him over a mid-first.
ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
I'm done with this guy. Just when he tricks us into believing he will finally realize his potential with a better team/QB and be a true #1 WR, he torpedoes many fantasy playoff or DFS teams with a "True Cooper" 32 and 20 yard vanishing act. I will never again be seduced by his 180+ multi-TD games into thinking he can be a reliable starting WR. How many of you did he thrust into the playoffs with his huge week 12 and 14 games, only to crush those hopes in week 15 and 16?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I'm going to try to trade him for Theilen or someone. Might take Jarvis Landry and a pick. Maybe the Beckham Jr owner in my league is as sick of his crap as I am of Cooper's and we can work something out. I've missed a bunch of his big games and I'm dead tired of being stuck with the stinkers.
I'll play it cool and see what offers I get before I try shipping him off, but there's only like a 5% chance he's on a roster of mine in Sept 2019.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I knew some smart ### was gonna quote that.
Coop is averaging like 5+ points more per game since he landed with Dallas. There is a VERY good chance he outscores Theilen next year. Also, the Cowboy fans in my league tend to overpay to get guys on their favorite team.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
1 thing to keep in mind, Has there ever been a WR traded mid season and performed this well that season?
there is also the theme that it is hard to trust a FA WR changing teams, where they presumably get an off season to pick up the offense. Something Cooper has yet to have with the Cowboys
there is also the theme that it is hard to trust a FA WR changing teams, where they presumably get an off season to pick up the offense. Something Cooper has yet to have with the Cowboys
az_prof
Footballguy
Yesterday was disappointing but there are only a handful of players who consistently put up 20 pts every game without fail. In my PPR league, his performance in Dallas (weeks 9-16) rank as the WR6, with 154 points in those 8 games. For contrast, Thielen has 98 points in that same time span. Tyreek Hill has 138.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Exactly. He’s been a WR1 since coming to Dallas. And WR1s just don’t score 20 points every week.
I see the same guy that was in Oakland, the occasional monster game interspersed with some abysmal games. Main difference is that he's getting more target share in Dallas and there is no Crabtree to steal balls away so there are few more solid/ok games in between the extreme's. In terms of PPG, he's now down to WR9 since being traded to Dallas. Still pretty darn good.
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Thielen has fallen off considerably, but both he and Hill have played 1 fewer game than Cooper in that time span. Hill has cooled off too, but is still outscoring Cooper in PPG.
fightingillini
Footballguy
You do know DAL is a run first team and Dak is a mediocre at best NFL QB, right? You do know that Cooper's big games are due to big plays and some luck.....things that aren't sustainable.
If you thought Cooper was all of a sudden was going to be a WR1, you were being too optimistic.
Cooper will be overrated again next year. I love him if he's my WR3, but he will go for high WR2 price next year.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Cooper is worth way more than Thielen. He's 4 years younger despite being fantasy relevant for longer. Thielen will be 29 entering next season, which is when trade value starts to evaporate quickly.
I think it is pretty clear at this point: Cooper is a perfectly fine WR2 going forward. If he is your WR1, you could do worse but the reality is the consistency will not be there; be prepared for some game winning weeks, but also for some clunkers. It is as much Dak as it is him. Game flow and scripts, given the propensity to prefer a ground heavy attack don’t bode well. If drafting for next year, Cooper is probably just outside the top 10 WR.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
The Lawrence deal was a steal. Cooper isn't doing the negotiating, his agent is.
Stephen will get Cooper alone and talk some sense into him. You should also know not to believe anything Clarence Hills writes.
[Robinson]On #Cowboys and Amari Cooper: He’s in no rush to get his extension done and a big reason why is the extensions of #Falcons Julio Jones, #Saints Michael Thomas and #Chiefs Tyreek Hill. All three should raise the market. I’m also told Cooper is absolutely reporting to camp on time.
https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1153461433276887041
https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1153461433276887041
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I pray that if I go RB in the first round, I am not in the position to have to take Cooper as my WR1.
Tons of talent, but lacks consistency -- as does the DAL offense. Cooper suddenly became a big talker when he moved to DAL, but hasn't played at the level that undisputed WR1s like Julio/Nuk/Hill/Thomas/Brown have. Just have a hard time trusting Coop.
Honestly would rather go with Thielen or Diggs knowing they affect each others' upside, or even old men like Edleman or AJ Green.
That seems irrational even to me as I type it, but just can't shake my mistrust.
Tons of talent, but lacks consistency -- as does the DAL offense. Cooper suddenly became a big talker when he moved to DAL, but hasn't played at the level that undisputed WR1s like Julio/Nuk/Hill/Thomas/Brown have. Just have a hard time trusting Coop.
Honestly would rather go with Thielen or Diggs knowing they affect each others' upside, or even old men like Edleman or AJ Green.
That seems irrational even to me as I type it, but just can't shake my mistrust.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
fair points, bu the vikings fired defilippo and the team suddenly became hell-bent on using the running game, likely means Diggs and AT are headed for a (big) downturn in production.
Edelmen is playing with a 90-yr old body can he last the season? and AJ Green is toast.
Cooper was a stud in Big D last season, averaged a full yard per rec more than in Oak, scored 6 TDs and 53 recs
they're going to force-feed him the ball. Witten opens things up. Cooper should nail a minimum of 90 recs ( thats just 15 more than last season)
You don't have to take anyone, just pick someone else if you don't like him.
rockaction
Footballguy
Sometimes people need to hear words expressing a concept as simple as that. If you don't like him, don't take him.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yes I never understand people who took someone they disliked because he's the top player on cheat sheets or draft dominator.
Those same people get on others because they took a guy "too high." who cares, it was the top rated guy on my board. I believe he will do better than the consensus picks or cheat sheets.
Dont like a guy, dont pick him
Manster
Footballguy
imo, Carr was the issue in Oakland, not Cooper. And with that logic, I'm not touching Brown with a ten foot pole.......I foresee Brown missing Big Ben, big time, a few weeks into the season. Cooper will be fine in Big D. Even though I'm not a huge Dak fan, he's more dynamic than Carr, and hes got good rapport with Cooper.
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[PFT]Report: Amari Cooper has plantar fascia irritation, no concern
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1161399309620928514
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1161399309620928514
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
leftcoastheel
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
this is more concerning for me from a standpoint of conditioning. What was he doing all offseason?
