jbradford787
Footballguy
Chiefs working out Ben Tate and Pierre Thomas. Ray Rice rumors are flying around. People arguing West vs. Davis. This could be a huge mess.
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Charcandrick WEST - Should we be talking about this kid ? (1 Viewer)
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
In between the tackles running doesn't seem to be his strongest suit but I can confidently say Davis is worse in that regard. Davis has been one of the most inefficient RBs in between the tackles on his touches so the bar has been set pretty low.
IMO West is better athlete and the greater talent and it's showed on their touches. If West gets ~15 touches a game he's going to be a no-brainer RB2 in PPR with some upside depending on how the backfield develops.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
well they need depth, Im guessing after Knile & west they don't have another back rostered
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Pierre would make a lot of sense for that offense, but neither he nor Tate are going to shave off any serious carries. Rice I don't believe.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Of course they need to bring someone else in, every team needs a 3rd backup.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
So the guy they bring in would play the C-Mike role?
Why is there an obsession with Tate amongst NFL teams...so odd.
If we're going into the has-been pool to select a vet, Tim Hightower looked surprisingly good for the Saints this summer.
I still say have Thomas be 3rd down back(in addition to his WR role) and then use the position on somewhere else. Their CBs are not playing that well. Sign a CB. Can always use an extra DL or OL.
I really doubt whomever they sign does much of anything; these are two very good backups ready to play.
Dr. Octopus
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Dr. Octopus
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ROYALWITCHEESE
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spreagle
Footballguy
Was watching NFL channel today, it seemed Reid talked mostly about Knile Davis after being asked about the status of Charles. With regards to West, he didn't say as much, other than he was "getting better". If I had to go on what Reid just said, and could only have one, I'd lean Davis as having the primary role. If I had to go on recent game action, I'd have to lean West.
jbradford787
Footballguy
Even if Davis gets the start, there's no way he gets the volume he needs to be productive unless he looks like a different player than he has been lately. Plus, West is the better pass catcher and that is here Charles got a lot of his points.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Hightower was cut by the Saints on September 15th and has not signed with anyone since then.
Jack White
Footballguy
Knile has been mediocre his entire career.
The only question on West is how much can he handle mentally (experience) and physically (size).
Wildcat
Footballguy
I'm not disagreeing with you, but where are you getting your information that West is a better receiver? I seem to recall Davis being good himself as well.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He stuck as long as Spiller was inactive, he did look good. Pierre is probably ready to go as well.
No no. There is probably a 27 page thread here with people praising him.
He had a couple 100 yard games in 2014
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviKn00/gamelog//
Don't discount pulling Charles and giving Davis the hard 3rd and 1 carry. That's not going to help his stats
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Bryce Brown is out there- Andy Reid connection
RealReactions
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jbradford787
Footballguy
Can't remember where I read it, but it was at more than one source. Could always be wrong I guess.Edit: Now that I think about it, it's probably because most consider Davis to be more of a between the tackles runner, where West seems to be more comparable to Charles and better in space.
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Andrew74
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Reid's just trying to depress West's value so he can pick him up in his FF league.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Looks like they are bringing in both Pierre Thomas and Ben Tate for a look see...
hardcoredx
Footballguy
No Montee Ball? He is definetely the best RB available IMO
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
Bump in case it's helpful or starts discussion
purestrength
Footballguy
Not only that, but they could try to learn more about Denver, although the Broncos' offense hasn't been that tough to defend lately.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
The league has spoken on Ball. The fact that he was released weeks ago and hasn't been picked up speaks volumes IMO.
Warrior
Footballguy
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
And Pierre Thomas, Ben Tate and Tim Hightower. These guys aren't going to be a threat to touches for West and Davis. Its their time to sink or swim.PatsWillWin said:
Dunno why people wouldn't be throwing most of their FAAB at West. The people that follow the team closely have been calling for him to move ahead of Davis. The coaching staff did so a couple weeks ago. Davis has shown some level of competency at the the NFL level, and the Chiefs feel that West is a better option. What more do you need?
What is the value of Dion Lewis right now? How about Justin Forsett or Devonta Freeman? West could lose his spot to Davis in the next couple weeks and be irrelevant by the end of the season. He could also be valued as a RB1 by the end of the season. He's flashed some talent, and the opportunity is right there in front of him.
SaintsInDome2006
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I know it's not much but I do love how he turns the corner in his clips. I think there's going to be something there. I just don't have much FAAB left to throw but I will. I'm guessing or hoping there will be some underbidding on him.
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SaintsInDome2006
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omally
Footballguy
I know it says unofficial. Last week wasn't Sept 23rd, and it had West as the backup. Just an observation.
You shouldn't be using it like that in-season.
Watch, look at play by play, read, ask another fan
There's too many variables and roles and coaches that think a 53 man roster is so limiting.
Find out who came in for who, when. After enough repetitions, you've got your answer.
Easiest example is probably TE. A stone hand blocking TE is rarely ever the replacement if the receiving TE gets hurt. In your scenario of using the depth chart, you'd be picking up the blocking TE when what you want is the "next up" receiving TE,
93_Confirmed
Footballguy
I hate to be a wet blanket but I have a bad feeling about that backfield. I think the BEST case scenario is a two-man even RBBC but it could also end up where 3-4 guys (D. Thomas and a FA) are splitting carries. Also, there seems to be a rift in the organization where Reid loves West but upper management prefers Davis. Lastly, KC is absolutely terrible this year and were not putting up a ton of points even with JC back there.
Not much to get excited about imo.
Not much to get excited about imo.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Not a Charles owner but I picked up West a couple weeks ago and dropped Davis when I saw West was getting the backup carries. I'm happy I did so not really because of the value, but because I would have absolutely no idea how much to bid on him. This just seems potentially complicated, although after seeing Davis go from high value handcuff to getting zero carries, I think West wins out long term.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I think a relatively even RBBC may be the most likely scenario but certainly not best case. We really don't know what that is. Guys get opportunities and emerge all the time for stretches of the season that can have a major impact on FF. Look at Freeman and Dion Lewis for the early part of this year, Forsett and CJ Anderson last year. A guy like Moreno in 2013 or even the one great season Peyton Hillis had. Best case is that West or Davis emerge as a feature back and a viable FF play the rest of the season.I hate to be a wet blanket but I have a bad feeling about that backfield. I think the BEST case scenario is a two-man even RBBC but it could also end up where 3-4 guys (D. Thomas and a FA) are splitting carries. Also, there seems to be a rift in the organization where Reid loves West but upper management prefers Davis. Lastly, KC is absolutely terrible this year and were not putting up a ton of points even with JC back there.
Not much to get excited about imo.
That said, I understand the caution. KC's offense has not looked great this year and Alex Smith is uninspiring to say the least. But there's a decent chance that there significant value here for the cost of a waiver wire pickup.
I already rostered West and have the #2 ww claim that I'm thinking about using on Davis who was just cut Sunday morning. I have a short bench in this league but to me its worth rostering both for a week or 2 to see how it plays out. Worst case is that neither looks to have sustainable value this season and you cut bait and move on.
93_Confirmed
Footballguy
When I said "best case" I was saying that a RBBC is the best I can actually see it turning out. I don't envision either Davis or West taking the job and running with it. It'll be a mostly even split ROS.I think a relatively even RBBC may be the most likely scenario but certainly not best case. We really don't know what that is. Guys get opportunities and emerge all the time for stretches of the season that can have a major impact on FF. Look at Freeman and Dion Lewis for the early part of this year, Forsett and CJ Anderson last year. A guy like Moreno in 2013 or even the one great season Peyton Hillis had. Best case is that West or Davis emerge as a feature back and a viable FF play the rest of the season.I hate to be a wet blanket but I have a bad feeling about that backfield. I think the BEST case scenario is a two-man even RBBC but it could also end up where 3-4 guys (D. Thomas and a FA) are splitting carries. Also, there seems to be a rift in the organization where Reid loves West but upper management prefers Davis. Lastly, KC is absolutely terrible this year and were not putting up a ton of points even with JC back there.
Not much to get excited about imo.
That said, I understand the caution. KC's offense has not looked great this year and Alex Smith is uninspiring to say the least. But there's a decent chance that there significant value here for the cost of a waiver wire pickup.
I already rostered West and have the #2 ww claim that I'm thinking about using on Davis who was just cut Sunday morning. I have a short bench in this league but to me its worth rostering both for a week or 2 to see how it plays out. Worst case is that neither looks to have sustainable value this season and you cut bait and move on.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Screencap or it didn't happen.
Fantasysports1
Footballguy
FAAB will be used for this guy. In the NFFC people are using 20-30% on worst players. Someone is going to use most of their FAAB I think on this guy, there aren't any players on the wire left basically.
93_Confirmed
Footballguy
I'm expecting to see some 80% bids but I wouldn't go more than 50%.
A couple examples of FAAB insanity that I've seen this year in FPC leagues:
65% - James Jones
50% - Travis Benjamin
45% - Tavon Austin
40% - Anthony Dixon
30% - Kamar Aiken
25% - Dexter McCluster
20% - Jeff Janis
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