I've been doing the same in my 16-teamer... only I've been rotating my last bench spot on my handcuff from the early games with an upside RB from the late games because I'm really thin at the position. Hit the jackpot on Ware yesterday..."Power back Ware" looked quite a bit quicker than West out there - I think Charc's hammy was bothering him a bit more than we thought. I added Ware a couple weeks ago in a 32-team dynasty, pretty happy I did.
I like all the movement. He looks like he's constantly dodging punches in a boxing ring while he's running.
Check out the stiff arm in the gif. Takes out Weddle like he's shooing away a fly.JFS171 said:I've been doing the same in my 16-teamer... only I've been rotating my last bench spot on my handcuff from the early games with an upside RB from the late games because I'm really thin at the position. Hit the jackpot on Ware yesterday...bud29 said:"Power back Ware" looked quite a bit quicker than West out there - I think Charc's hammy was bothering him a bit more than we thought. I added Ware a couple weeks ago in a 32-team dynasty, pretty happy I did.
I've liked him for a while though - Waldman was a big, big fan: http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/02/10/no-huddle-series-lsu-rb-spencer-ware/
.Arrowhead Pride@ArrowheadPride 18h18 hours agoSpencer Ware is the Kansas City Chiefs latest surprise at running back
...Any time you have 96 yards on 11 carries you did something right. But it wasn't so much the yards which Ware gained as much as it was the WAY he gained those yards. In a word, impressively.
First of all, it's REALLY obvious that Ware possesses a great deal of power. The man is 5'10 and weighs 230 pounds. He's basically built like Anthony Sherman but just a tad lighter. Look at his Twitter profile picture. He's like a smaller version of Allen Bailey. That's not going to be a fun guy to bring down.
In regards to WHO to pick up. There was speculation they would sign a number of guys but what I was reading from sources close to KC said they would likely call up Ware from the PS. That's what I meant. Yes, otherwise, I knew nothing of him. Its a gift to me at this point if he translates to anything.Walking Boot said:You did your homework but still knew nothing of the guy?Shutout said:As a Charles owner who did not have West, I did do my homework and got Ware when he was still on the PS. I admit, I knew nothing of the guy and fell into it but it does seem like any of these guys who go are going to have FF value.
Allen is on a dead team. THe Ravens' season is lost. I think it is more of a crap shoot.
Head coach Andy Reid on the RBs seems to have said that RB Charcandrick West is having an MRI but that RB Knile Davis will be leaned on but QB Alex Smith seems to think RB Spencer Ware is the lead back.Any word out of Kansas City on the severity of West's hamstring issue and if it's likely to cost him any starts?
Chiefs' Andy Reid comfortable with current RB depth from Chiefs Digest
While the Chiefs could be stretched thin at the running back position if West were to miss time, Reid didn't sound concerned over depth during a Monday afternoon conference call.
"We have trust in Knile," Reid said. "So, we've got Knile right there, too."
And it is early enough in the week where the Chiefs can evaluate West's status heading into Week 12.
"We'll see with Charcandrick," Reid said. "I'm not counting him out at all, so we'll just see how it works out today. They're doing the MRIs and all those things that they do now.
We'll find out here in a little bit where we're at."
Spencer Ware steps in with a big game at running back from ESPN
"He doesn't blink,'' quarterback Alex Smith said. "The guy works extremely hard all week. You knew he was going to be ready. You knew he was going to know his stuff.''
Ware was impressive in training camp but couldn't find a roster spot in a crowded Chiefs backfield. He began the season on the practice squad, then was elevated to the active roster when Jamaal Charles was lost for the season with a torn ACL.
Ware again impressed the Chiefs enough in practice that he passed Knile Davis and became the top backup to West. Ware scored a touchdown in a recent win over Detroit.
I don't think we can get that from any of the articles. Reid seems to be giving praise to Knile, but hard to see how he wouldn't roll with Ware if West is indeed out.Head coach Andy Reid on the RBs seems to have said that RB Charcandrick West is having an MRI but that RB Knile Davis will be leaned on but QB Alex Smith seems to think RB Spencer Ware is the lead n over Detroit.
1. Same defense that West could only manage to get 16 yards on with 11 carries.2. Lamest excuse ever. These guys are playing for their jobs. I could twist it and say Ware gained all those yards with a lead and the defense knowing they were going to run, making it even more impressive.Just keep in mind:
1. It was against the Chargers, the worst run defense in the NFL.
2. The Chargers defense quit in the second half.
Just saying.
He's a Charger fan.1. Same defense that West could only manage to get 16 yards on with 11 carries.2. Lamest excuse ever. These guys are playing for their jobs. I could twist it and say Ware gained all those yards with a lead and the defense knowing they were going to run, making it even more impressive.Just keep in mind:
1. It was against the Chargers, the worst run defense in the NFL.
2. The Chargers defense quit in the second half.
Just saying.
oh. Nevermind then. He must have insider info where the defenders admitted they weren't trying. My badI hope he tells us exactly when they quit. They were rendering West useless. Did they quit after Ware's 5th carry or was it as soon as West went out? Or just maybe, Ware took the fight out of them.He's a Charger fan.1. Same defense that West could only manage to get 16 yards on with 11 carries.2. Lamest excuse ever. These guys are playing for their jobs. I could twist it and say Ware gained all those yards with a lead and the defense knowing they were going to run, making it even more impressive.Just keep in mind:
1. It was against the Chargers, the worst run defense in the NFL.
2. The Chargers defense quit in the second half.
Just saying.
You can't argue with Junior. "West was rendered useless!!" 60 total yards in the first half. Useless!!!!He's a Charger fan.1. Same defense that West could only manage to get 16 yards on with 11 carries.2. Lamest excuse ever. These guys are playing for their jobs. I could twist it and say Ware gained all those yards with a lead and the defense knowing they were going to run, making it even more impressive.Just keep in mind:
1. It was against the Chargers, the worst run defense in the NFL.
2. The Chargers defense quit in the second half.
Just saying.
Read the quotes, son. He said the Charger were the leagues worst RUN defense. Pretty sure the 40+ yard reception is irrelevant. I simply said that West could only manage 16 yards on 11 carries against the worst run defense in the league. Was I wrong?You can't argue with Junior. "West was rendered useless!!" 60 total yards in the first half. Useless!!!!He's a Charger fan.1. Same defense that West could only manage to get 16 yards on with 11 carries.2. Lamest excuse ever. These guys are playing for their jobs. I could twist it and say Ware gained all those yards with a lead and the defense knowing they were going to run, making it even more impressive.Just keep in mind:
1. It was against the Chargers, the worst run defense in the NFL.
2. The Chargers defense quit in the second half.
Just saying.
Wasn't West injured? West was the starter for a reason and Ware did a fantastic job holding it down for a game but that was the chargers after all. I grabbed Ware in a few leagues and will be glad if I can just get 1 start out of him. I don't think he is taking over the job, I think west has already proven himself....Read the quotes, son. He said the Charger were the leagues worst RUN defense. Pretty sure the 40+ yard reception is irrelevant. I simply said that West could only manage 16 yards on 11 carries against the worst run defense in the league. Was I wrong?You can't argue with Junior. "West was rendered useless!!" 60 total yards in the first half. Useless!!!!He's a Charger fan.1. Same defense that West could only manage to get 16 yards on with 11 carries.2. Lamest excuse ever. These guys are playing for their jobs. I could twist it and say Ware gained all those yards with a lead and the defense knowing they were going to run, making it even more impressive.Just keep in mind:
1. It was against the Chargers, the worst run defense in the NFL.
2. The Chargers defense quit in the second half.
Just saying.
I think if West is 100%, that the job is still his. He's played well enough to not lose it because of one game. I agree.Wasn't West injured? West was the starter for a reason and Ware did a fantastic job holding it down for a game but that was the chargers after all. I grabbed Ware in a few leagues and will be glad if I can just get 1 start out of him. I don't think he is taking over the job, I think west has already proven himself....Read the quotes, son. He said the Charger were the leagues worst RUN defense. Pretty sure the 40+ yard reception is irrelevant. I simply said that West could only manage 16 yards on 11 carries against the worst run defense in the league. Was I wrong?You can't argue with Junior. "West was rendered useless!!" 60 total yards in the first half. Useless!!!!He's a Charger fan.1. Same defense that West could only manage to get 16 yards on with 11 carries.2. Lamest excuse ever. These guys are playing for their jobs. I could twist it and say Ware gained all those yards with a lead and the defense knowing they were going to run, making it even more impressive.Just keep in mind:
1. It was against the Chargers, the worst run defense in the NFL.
2. The Chargers defense quit in the second half.
Just saying.
If he was and still is not 100% and the Chiefs are playing for the playoffs and they have seen Ware be effective, I think the logical thought would be rest West until he is 100% and let Ware and Davis play.Wasn't West injured? West was the starter for a reason and Ware did a fantastic job holding it down for a game but that was the chargers after all. I grabbed Ware in a few leagues and will be glad if I can just get 1 start out of him. I don't think he is taking over the job, I think west has already proven himself....Read the quotes, son. He said the Charger were the leagues worst RUN defense. Pretty sure the 40+ yard reception is irrelevant. I simply said that West could only manage 16 yards on 11 carries against the worst run defense in the league. Was I wrong?You can't argue with Junior. "West was rendered useless!!" 60 total yards in the first half. Useless!!!!He's a Charger fan.1. Same defense that West could only manage to get 16 yards on with 11 carries.2. Lamest excuse ever. These guys are playing for their jobs. I could twist it and say Ware gained all those yards with a lead and the defense knowing they were going to run, making it even more impressive.Just keep in mind:
1. It was against the Chargers, the worst run defense in the NFL.
2. The Chargers defense quit in the second half.
Just saying.
That makes sense but we have to realize this Reid. He is cautious with injuries and it was just last year Davis looked good when Charles was out btu for some reason Davis wasn't even a consideration this time around.I think if West is 100%, that the job is still his. He's played well enough to not lose it because of one game. I agree.Wasn't West injured? West was the starter for a reason and Ware did a fantastic job holding it down for a game but that was the chargers after all. I grabbed Ware in a few leagues and will be glad if I can just get 1 start out of him. I don't think he is taking over the job, I think west has already proven himself....Read the quotes, son. He said the Charger were the leagues worst RUN defense. Pretty sure the 40+ yard reception is irrelevant. I simply said that West could only manage 16 yards on 11 carries against the worst run defense in the league. Was I wrong?You can't argue with Junior. "West was rendered useless!!" 60 total yards in the first half. Useless!!!!He's a Charger fan.1. Same defense that West could only manage to get 16 yards on with 11 carries.2. Lamest excuse ever. These guys are playing for their jobs. I could twist it and say Ware gained all those yards with a lead and the defense knowing they were going to run, making it even more impressive.Just keep in mind:
1. It was against the Chargers, the worst run defense in the NFL.
2. The Chargers defense quit in the second half.
Just saying.
You've really turned into quite an insufferable poster, but I'll respond to you anyway in a show of good faith. Some one that follows a team may offer some insight into his team that others miss (homers usually wath their team play and not just RedZone), and also I was just trying to show you that he wasn't being a biased West owner (necessarily) and was offering his view as a Charger fan.oh. Nevermind then. He must have insider info where the defenders admitted they weren't trying. My badI hope he tells us exactly when they quit. They were rendering West useless. Did they quit after Ware's 5th carry or was it as soon as West went out? Or just maybe, Ware took the fight out of them.
West looked fine on his long reception. He was the most owned running back in DFS last week. I didn't know he was injured going into the game. If the guy (sorry, I don't remember who it was) was just giving his opinion as a Charger's fan, I apologize. It was about the tenth time I've heard the excuse that Ware only did well because the defense didn't care. I get it. I've owned players and watched their replacements look great and went into denial. I've been there too. But for anyone to suggest that Ware didn't look great last week is just lying to themselves. Maybe it was because he was the freshest player on the field. I don't know. And no one is suggesting that he's beaten out West. But I think it's obvious that Reid has no reason the rush West back from the hamstring when Ware is more than capable. I don't own West and missed out on getting Ware on waivers last night. So I have no dog in this fight. If West sits out another game, I'll be interested to see how Ware looks against a Bills team with everything to play for.You've really turned into quite an insufferable poster, but I'll respond to you anyway in a show of good faith. Some one that follows a team may offer some insight into his team that others miss (homers usually wath their team play and not just RedZone), and also I was just trying to show you that he wasn't being a biased West owner (necessarily) and was offering his view as a Charger fan.oh. Nevermind then. He must have insider info where the defenders admitted they weren't trying. My badI hope he tells us exactly when they quit. They were rendering West useless. Did they quit after Ware's 5th carry or was it as soon as West went out? Or just maybe, Ware took the fight out of them.
West went into the game with a balky hamstring from what I understand, but even if he was 100% healthy during those 11 carries, surely you've watched football long enough to see a RB get bottled up early before breaking into a rhythm or even have just seen game flow change and teams regress back to what they are?
Surely you've also seen teams that are having down seasons and starting to get blown out "quit" during a game or at least have a huge let down during the second half? That's not saying every single player stopped trying at all - but it's surely happened 1000s of times. In fact your Eagles looked pretty defeated in the second half of that Tamp Bay game and I witnessed my own Jets team quit in the second half of their game in San Diego last season where Brandon Oliver ran all over them. It happens.
He likes to drink and drive.....not sure if you know that about him. Not sure thats a success story.I openly said when Charles went down that I hoped West would be the guy to benefit because, for no other reason, I wanted to reward a guy that was a good success story and I was already tired of Knile Davis owners in my leagues yakking and trying to act like Knile Davis' value was Adrian Peterson-esque.
Now, I openly will say I hope West takes this job and literally runs with it because it is AWESOME to see a guy that comes all the way through the ranks of a teams' practice squad to stick with it and then produce big time when he gets his chance. Its great for him, it speaks great of the real life organization and how they identify and develop talent, and ultimately it will be good for FF because if all these guys do good, you know 1 or 2 of them won't be on the CHiefs next year so it gives us more good RBs to speculate over.
Go find one post where anyone claimed he should be the new starter if West is at 100%There's no bias in this thread. Surprised the thread title isn't "Spencer Ware, new HOF Chiefs RB."
So would West though. Bills' defense is for real. I own both but don't really like the matchup regardless.I think ware might find things a bit tougher against the bills, just a hunch....
Bills seem to be tougher against the bigger back like blount. I agree, the Bills D is tough against the run tho...So would West though. Bills' defense is for real. I own both but don't really like the matchup regardless.I think ware might find things a bit tougher against the bills, just a hunch....
Ware is 230+ lbsBills seem to be tougher against the bigger back like blount. I agree, the Bills D is tough against the run tho...So would West though. Bills' defense is for real. I own both but don't really like the matchup regardless.I think ware might find things a bit tougher against the bills, just a hunch....
1. I am a Chargers fan. I was at the game Sunday. The Chargers played the worst game I have ever witnessed in any sport in person, and that is a large sample size.West looked fine on his long reception. He was the most owned running back in DFS last week. I didn't know he was injured going into the game. If the guy (sorry, I don't remember who it was) was just giving his opinion as a Charger's fan, I apologize. It was about the tenth time I've heard the excuse that Ware only did well because the defense didn't care. I get it. I've owned players and watched their replacements look great and went into denial. I've been there too. But for anyone to suggest that Ware didn't look great last week is just lying to themselves. Maybe it was because he was the freshest player on the field. I don't know. And no one is suggesting that he's beaten out West. But I think it's obvious that Reid has no reason the rush West back from the hamstring when Ware is more than capable. I don't own West and missed out on getting Ware on waivers last night. So I have no dog in this fight. If West sits out another game, I'll be interested to see how Ware looks against a Bills team with everything to play for.You've really turned into quite an insufferable poster, but I'll respond to you anyway in a show of good faith. Some one that follows a team may offer some insight into his team that others miss (homers usually wath their team play and not just RedZone), and also I was just trying to show you that he wasn't being a biased West owner (necessarily) and was offering his view as a Charger fan.oh. Nevermind then. He must have insider info where the defenders admitted they weren't trying. My badI hope he tells us exactly when they quit. They were rendering West useless. Did they quit after Ware's 5th carry or was it as soon as West went out? Or just maybe, Ware took the fight out of them.
West went into the game with a balky hamstring from what I understand, but even if he was 100% healthy during those 11 carries, surely you've watched football long enough to see a RB get bottled up early before breaking into a rhythm or even have just seen game flow change and teams regress back to what they are?
Surely you've also seen teams that are having down seasons and starting to get blown out "quit" during a game or at least have a huge let down during the second half? That's not saying every single player stopped trying at all - but it's surely happened 1000s of times. In fact your Eagles looked pretty defeated in the second half of that Tamp Bay game and I witnessed my own Jets team quit in the second half of their game in San Diego last season where Brandon Oliver ran all over them. It happens.
I dont make threads based on hyperbole. Possibly is in the title due to the tricky nature of hamstring injuries and we have no idea of the severity of Wests, work horse is based on Reid's history of feeding a single back the ball.There's no bias in this thread. Surprised the thread title isn't "Spencer Ware, new HOF Chiefs RB."
Exactly so I don't really think he would run that well against a stout buffalo line. Blount doesn't seem to do well against them....Ware is 230+ lbsBills seem to be tougher against the bigger back like blount. I agree, the Bills D is tough against the run tho...So would West though. Bills' defense is for real. I own both but don't really like the matchup regardless.I think ware might find things a bit tougher against the bills, just a hunch....
I realize that. Someone let me in on the fact that you were a Chargers fan and not a West owner. I apologize for being snarky.1. I am a Chargers fan. I was at the game Sunday. The Chargers played the worst game I have ever witnessed in any sport in person, and that is a large sample size.West looked fine on his long reception. He was the most owned running back in DFS last week. I didn't know he was injured going into the game. If the guy (sorry, I don't remember who it was) was just giving his opinion as a Charger's fan, I apologize. It was about the tenth time I've heard the excuse that Ware only did well because the defense didn't care. I get it. I've owned players and watched their replacements look great and went into denial. I've been there too. But for anyone to suggest that Ware didn't look great last week is just lying to themselves. Maybe it was because he was the freshest player on the field. I don't know. And no one is suggesting that he's beaten out West. But I think it's obvious that Reid has no reason the rush West back from the hamstring when Ware is more than capable. I don't own West and missed out on getting Ware on waivers last night. So I have no dog in this fight. If West sits out another game, I'll be interested to see how Ware looks against a Bills team with everything to play for.You've really turned into quite an insufferable poster, but I'll respond to you anyway in a show of good faith. Some one that follows a team may offer some insight into his team that others miss (homers usually wath their team play and not just RedZone), and also I was just trying to show you that he wasn't being a biased West owner (necessarily) and was offering his view as a Charger fan.oh. Nevermind then. He must have insider info where the defenders admitted they weren't trying. My badI hope he tells us exactly when they quit. They were rendering West useless. Did they quit after Ware's 5th carry or was it as soon as West went out? Or just maybe, Ware took the fight out of them.
West went into the game with a balky hamstring from what I understand, but even if he was 100% healthy during those 11 carries, surely you've watched football long enough to see a RB get bottled up early before breaking into a rhythm or even have just seen game flow change and teams regress back to what they are?
Surely you've also seen teams that are having down seasons and starting to get blown out "quit" during a game or at least have a huge let down during the second half? That's not saying every single player stopped trying at all - but it's surely happened 1000s of times. In fact your Eagles looked pretty defeated in the second half of that Tamp Bay game and I witnessed my own Jets team quit in the second half of their game in San Diego last season where Brandon Oliver ran all over them. It happens.
2. I am in 4 leagues and don't own any KC RBs. I don't play DFS.
3. The Chargers run defense is horrible. They are #31 in ypc allowed (New Orleans), #31 in rush TDs allowed (Detroit), and have allowed the most 20+ yard runs.
With all of that out of the way, look at Ware's performance in the game Sunday.
1. Ware got his first touch with 7:52 remaining in the 3Q, with KC leading 12-3. During his first 2 drives, he had 14 yards on 4 carries, plus 1 catch for 5 yards. Both drives stalled, and KC punted.
2. By the time KC began its next drive with 9:50 remaining in the 4Q, it was 19-3 thanks to a Rivers pick 6, and San Diego had just punted for the 7th time, with only a 52 yard FG to show for its 9 possessions (not counting the kneel down at the end of the first half). Everyone in the stadium knew the game was over.
3. On the first play of that drive, Ware ran for 52 yards. I turned to my brother in the stands after that play and said I thought the team had quit; not every player, but enough of them. Quit on the rest of the game and quit on Mike McCoy (this happened before the KC game, though). Ware added 3 more carries for 6 yards and a TD on that drive, making it 26-3.
4. San Diego turned the ball over on downs at its own 24 on the next possession, giving KC the ball with 4:13 remaining. Ware ran for 20 yards on the first play, then added 2 more carries for 4 yards and a TD.
What it comes down to is the following: Ware had 2 carries for 72 yards against a bad run defense that knew it was playing out a game that was already decided. A run defense that leads the league in number of 20+ yard runs allowed. And he ran for 2 short TDs against a run defense that is #31 in rushing TDs allowed. Otherwise, he was pedestrian.
I'm not big on throwing out the big plays. Ware and his teammates made those plays, and the Chargers defense didn't. But my first post was intended to be a shorthand way of providing context. I seriously doubt his success in the Chargers game will carry over to any other games going forward.
I had Ware pegged as the handcuff several weeks ago due to my belief that Davis is simply a terrible RB but this is a valid point. Although Davis did see some S/T work when active earlier in the year (usually played on some minuscule number of S/T snaps) I think it's clear, judging by S/T usage that KC believe Ware to be more valuable in that department. Still, the numbers don't lie, Davis was one of the most inefficient and ineffective RBs on his touches in 2014. He was passed up on the depth chart for that reason IMO.Unbiased opinion ... I don't own any of them
If West is healthy it's clearly his job ...
Reid made it perfectly clear as soon as Charles went down that there was no competition for the job and West has done nothing but look great.
People assuming that Ware is going to come in and be the man might be in for a rude awaking ...
Knile Davis has had some pretty good games of his own backing up Charles and Reid clearly trusts him.
“We have trust in Knile,” Reid said. “So, we’ve got Knile right there, too.”
Don't know why Davis was inactive but very possible it was a special teams decision.