bostonfred
Footballguy
Lol at Harbaugh talking up dixon's arm day rig hut before this comes out
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RB Kenneth Dixon, Free Agent (3 Viewers)
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
So I own Parker and Dixon, my rebuild is taking some lumps today. At least I don't own Shepard too!
Tau837
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Being suspended for performance-enhancers isn't that bad to me. A lot better than recreational.
Whether or not he's actually going to be a good back is my question.
Whether or not he's actually going to be a good back is my question.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
A team like the Ravens that can't afford to get in an early hole in a tough division may spend an early pick on a RB now though with Dixon's suspension. They may have been considering it anyway.
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massraider
Footballguy
By the same token, a team with holes like this team has, can they afford to spend an early pick on a RB?
It would surprise me if they took one early. To me, Dixon/West/Woodhead seems like enough for me to push this position to the back of my mind.
I tend to agree, I think that combination is more than adequate and they should focus on other areas like O-line, but it certainly seems like they want to upgrade RB (I posted some of Harbaugh's quotes a little earlier). It's possible that they think Woodhead is enough, but they tried to trade up for Zeke last year so there's a chance they have their eye on a RB in this draft as well.
I guess it would depend on which substance for both cases. If it was something stupid like adderall then yeah, I feel fine about it. But if it was steroids then I'd steer clear.
But on the topic of suspension, does this mean he had already failed a test? I thought 4 games was only after 2nd failed test, but maybe the agreement has changed...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Suspended RB Kenneth Dixon will undergo meniscus surgery on Tuesday.
The standard timeline for a torn meniscus is 6-8 weeks depending on the severity of the tear. While Dixon is already suspended the first four games for violating the league's policy on PEDs, having to return from meniscus surgery is another barrier on his path to playing time. Suffering his third knee injury in 12 months, Dixon's longevity may be in question. Dixon can be scratched off fantasy draft cheatsheets while Terrance West and Danny Woodhead maintain job security entering the season.
The standard timeline for a torn meniscus is 6-8 weeks depending on the severity of the tear. While Dixon is already suspended the first four games for violating the league's policy on PEDs, having to return from meniscus surgery is another barrier on his path to playing time. Suffering his third knee injury in 12 months, Dixon's longevity may be in question. Dixon can be scratched off fantasy draft cheatsheets while Terrance West and Danny Woodhead maintain job security entering the season.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Put a fork in this guy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Ouch! Okay, so does this boost Woodhead's value? Just discussing this in the RB scarcity thread...
I believe his suspension can run concurrent with his injury time correct?
I believe his suspension can run concurrent with his injury time correct?
socrates
Footballguy
The injury does not affect his suspension, I am pretty certain. I think Woodhead was slated as the receiving back, regardless, although Dixon is a quality receiver himself, so this probably has some affect on Woodhead's value. I think it affects West's value more, however. Terrance West is the likely replacement for the bulk of Dixon's work during the suspension/injury recovery.
Penguin
Footballguy
Jene Bramel @JeneBramel 59m59 minutes ago
Removal/trim of damaged meniscus faster recovery ~ 3-4 weeks. Repair would be 3-4 months. Suspension may also be factor in recovery.
Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet
#Ravens RB Kenneth Dixon suffered a tear in his meniscus, source said. He'll have surgery & hope is it's just a trim. Will know more post.
Removal/trim of damaged meniscus faster recovery ~ 3-4 weeks. Repair would be 3-4 months. Suspension may also be factor in recovery.
Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet
#Ravens RB Kenneth Dixon suffered a tear in his meniscus, source said. He'll have surgery & hope is it's just a trim. Will know more post.
Penguin
Footballguy
So best case is a trim and he misses all of training camp and preseason. Then he's suspended for the first month and can't be at the facilities.
By week 5 West & Woodhead will have a stranglehold on the position, I can't see Dixon doing much until late in the season if at all.
If they have to do a repair instead of a trim he'll be out until November at the earliest and possibly longer.
Not touching this guy
By week 5 West & Woodhead will have a stranglehold on the position, I can't see Dixon doing much until late in the season if at all.
If they have to do a repair instead of a trim he'll be out until November at the earliest and possibly longer.
Not touching this guy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Like Dr.O said, I think he can be at the facilities rehabbing. But what I really take issue with is that you think those two guys will have a stranglehold on the position. I would be that by week 5 their hold on the position will be called tenuous at best. I think, just like last year, it'll take Dixon some time to get into game shape. He's definitely going to be a second half guy. In redraft, depending on roster size, I'd probably let someone else draft and dump him. But I do think he'll be an impact player at some point. West is still a JAG and Woodhead is 32 (and has always been a JAG as a runner).
socrates
Footballguy
I absolutely agree with this. I have little confidence that West will lock up the position during Dixon's absence. I think Dixon's value depends more on his recovery timetable than on West's performance.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Trim is the vast majority. A repair is done only when the tear is in a specific spot (only one area of the meniscus has a decent enough blood supply to heal) and usually quite large so removal would mean to more strain on the knee joint and less longevity.
Penguin
Footballguy
I think Woodhead sucks up all the passing downs.
In his last two injury free seasons with San Diego he totaled 2125 rushing/receiving yds, 157 receptions and 17 TD's.
He suffered a broken fibula in 2014 & a torn acl last year. I don't think this makes him injury prone. He missed 1 game due to injury in his first 5 seasons as well as playing all 16 in 2015 following the broken fibula.
Now West is just a guy but he outplayed Dixon last year and he'll be the guy in game shape having gone thru training camp, preseason and at least the first 4 games of the regular season while Dixon is out. I just don't see Dixon making a significant contribution this year. West won't go away, he'll still get some carries and both West & Dixon will be used less in the passing game than they were in 2016.
In his last two injury free seasons with San Diego he totaled 2125 rushing/receiving yds, 157 receptions and 17 TD's.
He suffered a broken fibula in 2014 & a torn acl last year. I don't think this makes him injury prone. He missed 1 game due to injury in his first 5 seasons as well as playing all 16 in 2015 following the broken fibula.
Now West is just a guy but he outplayed Dixon last year and he'll be the guy in game shape having gone thru training camp, preseason and at least the first 4 games of the regular season while Dixon is out. I just don't see Dixon making a significant contribution this year. West won't go away, he'll still get some carries and both West & Dixon will be used less in the passing game than they were in 2016.
Agree West is jag, otherwise, disagree.
https://www.fantasypros.com/2017/06/fantasy-football-profile-baltimore-ravens-backfield-has-value/
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Penguin
Footballguy
Actually they both were pretty bad, I initially looked at weeks 5-17 when Dixon came back and they played together...
West 139/542/4 and 30/207/1 for 135.9 points
Dixon 88/382/2 and 30/162/1 for 102.4 points
From weeks 7-17
West 105/360/2 and 24/177/1 for 71.7 points with 3.43 ypc and 7.38 ypr
Dixon 83/372/2 and 28/155/1 for 70.7 points with 4.48 ypc and 5.53 ypr
Basically they both averaged 7 ppg or 14 ppg total between them. Now I believe the receiving numbers will drop some with Woodhead in town and barring an injury to West Dixon won't receive 100% of the 1st & 2nd down work, I just don't see what's enticing.
West 139/542/4 and 30/207/1 for 135.9 points
Dixon 88/382/2 and 30/162/1 for 102.4 points
From weeks 7-17
West 105/360/2 and 24/177/1 for 71.7 points with 3.43 ypc and 7.38 ypr
Dixon 83/372/2 and 28/155/1 for 70.7 points with 4.48 ypc and 5.53 ypr
Basically they both averaged 7 ppg or 14 ppg total between them. Now I believe the receiving numbers will drop some with Woodhead in town and barring an injury to West Dixon won't receive 100% of the 1st & 2nd down work, I just don't see what's enticing.
When looking at Dixon's splits, it's obvious that getting healthy and getting the brace off made a huge impact. In his first 4 games he averaged 1.5 ypc, in his last 8 he was at 4.9 ypc. West averaged 4.0 ypc during both halves of the season. But to say West outplayed Dixon last year is just nonsense. It was pretty clear who the better back was down the stretch.
Dismattle
Footballguy
Guys thinking about Rainey?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bs-sp-ravens-kenneth-dixon-0725-story.html
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bs-sp-ravens-kenneth-dixon-0725-story.html
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
What a bummer.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
No dog in this fight but curious how this affects his 4 game suspension.
Yea this is my main takeaway. The threat of Dixon was suppressing Woodheads value way more than it should have
Borden
Footballguy
Boone22
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
His suspension is unaffected by injury status. So if he were healthy week 5 he would be eligible to return. Looks like it's moot now though.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Tsunami
Footballguy
Google says this surgery can have a 14 week recovery, that would put him back week 6. I think reports of his season being over are premature, don't neglect him in deep redrafts. I also believe that IR games count for his suspension, but I haven't been able to verify if this is still the rule and if that would be the same for PUP.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Good lord, I'm a magnet for dynasty disappointment! ... especially Ravens as of late. Still holding Maxx Williams (aka, Minn Williams), and now Dixon.
Have only skimmed the news. How did he tear it? Did this occur during an OTA?
Have only skimmed the news. How did he tear it? Did this occur during an OTA?
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