avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I don't care about other people's trades involving Kelley. Nobody else does either.
What are people expecting out of him THIS week?
What are people expecting out of him THIS week?
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Sleeper Alert: Rob Kelley - RB - WAS (1 Viewer)
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crusty crab
Footballguy
Just guessing, but I'd expect Kelley to definitely get the role Jones had, and Mack Brown to mix in a little bit more than Kelley has been behind Jones. I believe a big problem for Mack Brown in preseason was pass blocking, so I'd expect Chris Thompson to be more of a true third down back and get mixed in on early downs too. I'm a Skins fan, and not overly excited about any of these guys for fantasy purposes. Kelley could come out and do great, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was exactly about as effective as Jones. The Bengals are a little weak against the run so far though, so it's a better matchup than some of the games they've had.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And so we've come full circle - whoever guesses this closest gets free hot sauce!
And because 2 bottles ships for the same cost as 1, I'm doubling it to 2 bottles!
So guess right - seems a couple folks who were expecting Matt Jones to play may have outsmarted themselves with low projections.
But the good news is Fat Rob may still crap the bed with a terrible game! 
USA Only, the person who's closest to Rob Kelley's RuYd, # of receptions, ReYd and TD wins. Ties decided by time-stamp, so check previous projections.
Go!
ETA - never mind. You don't need # of receptions. I checked my original post and did not include that. I should have.
next time.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IMO the addition of Brown is an indication that Jones' injury may be worse than reported so far. Often that's the case. And news that he has pain cutting laterally screams MCL/ACL type injury.
Only question to me is whether it's a sprain or worse.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
60 rush, 10 rec, 0 TDAnd so we've come full circle - whoever guesses this closest gets free hot sauce!
And because 2 bottles ships for the same cost as 1, I'm doubling it to 2 bottles!
So guess right - seems a couple folks who were expecting Matt Jones to play may have outsmarted themselves with low projections.
USA Only, the person who's closest to Rob Kelley's RuYd, ReYd and TD wins. Ties decided by time-stamp, so check previous projections.
Go!
crusty crab
Footballguy
It is a bit odd. As far as I know, there were no reports of anything until he showed up to practice with pain in his knee. If they start bringing RBs in for workouts on their bye, I think that will be a pretty good sign it might be more serious than they're letting on.
Fat Rob: 85 rushing yards, 12 rec yds, 1 TD
hamsterdam
Footballguy
62 rushing yards, 7 rec yards, 1 TD.
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sorry - my bad. I thought I'd had # receptions too, but did not. Just RuYd/ReYd + TD totals.
All good.,
All good.,
Not as many receptions with Thompson playing. 80 yards and 2 receptions for 15 yards. Plus a score. I'm a Skins homer and word on the various sports radio shows (including a number of past players) is that Kelley has been showing he's the better back by a significant margin. Jones has missed a number of pass protections as well as gone the wrong way when something is blocked. Kelley's going to be the "new Morris" for a while. Jones has kept the job to this point because of his draft pedigree and McCloughan doesn't want to admit he was wrong. Don't get me wrong. McCloughan is the best thing that's happened to this team in a long time but he was wrong on Jones.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What's weird is that Jones has had some monster games. And some terrible ones. The swings are dramatic. Could simply be that he takes what the defense & OL give him.
I don't think anyone here would argue that he's a special talent, but he's had a 150 yard game this season, which is pretty rock solid.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I'd be legitimately excited about Kelley if he didn't have the worst remaining schedule that I've ever seen.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The head scratcher to me is that Kelley was that good, why did it take a MJones injury for him to get a shot at starting? Looking back at the schedule there were certainly some clunker games by MJ where they could have made the move.
I see this going one of 2 ways:
1. Kelley's limited sample size has been hiding significant warts in his game - maybe it's pass protecting, maybe it's vision, maybe it's ball handling.
2. Kelley blows up and WAS staff looks ignorant for not playing him more until now.
Seems like the former is more likely, however stranger things have happened - maybe Kelley is hungry and takes his game to the next level.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think my response (since deleted) was what led to the confusion - my bad. I made a dumb joke about 0 yards on 7 receptions, as "rec" can be an abbreviation for reception.
Since so many people were including # of rec in their responses I thought that was in the contest, but looking back I see it was not.
Apologies for creating the confusion between y'all's. My bad.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Haha no worries man, I was going to put how many receptions until I noticed it wasn't part of the contest.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You'd think I'd know my own contest.
S'what I get for posting drunk. Oh, wait - it's only noon and I'm sober. OK, I have no excuse.
Hmm....
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 carries for 38 yards, 2 receptions for 7 yards, 0 TDs - Rob Kelley, thanks for the memories.
nittanylion
Footballguy
1. Player: Rob Kelley is a JAG. Nothing more. Using only his NFL tape, which is all that is relevant, he has proven to be the following: a plodder, who has no wiggle, no speed, is not dynamic in any way, and is a limited receiver. There is ample evidence that shows this to be the case.
2. Situation: The Gruden offense is predicated on the pass. OC Sean McVay has said, repeatedly, that if the offense is pumping on all cylinders, that the ideal ratio is 65% pass / 35% run. Similar to the 49'ers of the 80's, the run is a by-product of the passing game, and the ideal back for this offense resembles Roger Craig. That is not Rob Kelley.
3. Opponent: The Bengals are a tough matchup for the Redskins. On the spectrum of likely results, the least likely event that's going to happen on Sunday is the Redskins blowing the Bengals off the field. Much more likely that the game is going to be somewhat ugly (England games tilt that direction), hard-fought, and close. Either Team could win, but I think it's more likely the Bengals will. If that follows script and the Redskins are playing from behind much of the game, which I think is the most likely outcome, it doesn't script well for a pounder.
So, you have a JAG player, in an offense that doesn't favor the run, and prefers to utilize a dynamic halfback, playing in a game that will not likely script for heavy use of ground and pound scenario.
Roby Kelley is going to serve one purpose on Sunday: RB filler because Chris Thompson isn't built to handle a full load. His statistics will likely be very TD-dependant, which is random, with those touches coming inside the 5-yard line. I think those are going to be few and far between.
Guys who believe in him, I wish you luck. If you're scrounging the wire, there have to be better options out there.
2. Situation: The Gruden offense is predicated on the pass. OC Sean McVay has said, repeatedly, that if the offense is pumping on all cylinders, that the ideal ratio is 65% pass / 35% run. Similar to the 49'ers of the 80's, the run is a by-product of the passing game, and the ideal back for this offense resembles Roger Craig. That is not Rob Kelley.
3. Opponent: The Bengals are a tough matchup for the Redskins. On the spectrum of likely results, the least likely event that's going to happen on Sunday is the Redskins blowing the Bengals off the field. Much more likely that the game is going to be somewhat ugly (England games tilt that direction), hard-fought, and close. Either Team could win, but I think it's more likely the Bengals will. If that follows script and the Redskins are playing from behind much of the game, which I think is the most likely outcome, it doesn't script well for a pounder.
So, you have a JAG player, in an offense that doesn't favor the run, and prefers to utilize a dynamic halfback, playing in a game that will not likely script for heavy use of ground and pound scenario.
Roby Kelley is going to serve one purpose on Sunday: RB filler because Chris Thompson isn't built to handle a full load. His statistics will likely be very TD-dependant, which is random, with those touches coming inside the 5-yard line. I think those are going to be few and far between.
Guys who believe in him, I wish you luck. If you're scrounging the wire, there have to be better options out there.
Skoo
Footballguy
This season, with all the byes this week?
I picked up Kelley in a 10-teamer to block him from my opponent, who picked up and is starting Peyton Barber.
It's pretty grim out there right now for those who don't hoard RBs. Not saying I believe in him or not, but a starting RB would be an upgrade for some people this week.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If this should come to pass, I'm curious as to what will happen to 1. FFB ownership, 2. this topic
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sorry if you misunderstood, but I used your quote to show why I projected such low totals for him - not to call you out.
I was actually trying to show that this guy is the long shot of long shots (heck sometimes those work out so I don't fault anyone for picking him up) but wanted to give you full credit for showing the long odds stacked against him.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh got you. I didn't read any of the recent posts. I just got the notification. I don't think Kelley is going to be an awful play. He might score a TD. He's not a guy to depend on though.
Bombers411
Footballguy
I'll play - 43 yards rushing , 7 receiving yards and 2TD (just because everyone else has gone with 0 or 1 TD )
I've always thought that Chris Thompson fits the mold of a Gruden RB and think he will be the much better play.
I've always thought that Chris Thompson fits the mold of a Gruden RB and think he will be the much better play.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Well if Kelley hits your projected stat line than he will for sure be the better play.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This, from Evan Silva/Rotoworld:
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/66069/179/silvas-week-8-matchups
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/66069/179/silvas-week-8-matchups
Interesting development in my league... I dropped R Kelley today and picked up CJ Anderson when I heard that he wasn't quite on IR yet. Then, right when word broke that CJ Anderson was indeed going to IR, the Matt Jones owner dropped Jones to pick up Kelley. And, I went ahead and picked up Jones.
Does Jones still have value going forward, or am I wasting my time here? I could pick up Perkins for instance, but the wire is fairly bare.
Does Jones still have value going forward, or am I wasting my time here? I could pick up Perkins for instance, but the wire is fairly bare.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
This thread is one of the most insanely idiotic threads I have ever read. At no point in this rambling, incoherent thread were we even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award us no points, and may God have mercy on our souls.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Total crap shoot until:
1. the nature of his knee injury is reported
2. The Redskins see how Kelley performs
3. There is no 3, but it doesn't feel like a real list without a 3rd thing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
rofl - nice reference.
On the other hand, someone is going to get 2 free bottles of award-winning hot sauce, so at least there's some redeeming qualities to it?
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There is ALWAYS an excuse. It just might take more imaginitive thinking toYou'd think I'd know my own contest.
S'what I get for posting drunk. Oh, wait - it's only noon and I'm sober. OK, I have no excuse.
Hmm....
Blind bidding waivers on Wednesday and then total free agency until the games start up again. Players lock when their teams play until the bidding process again.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
groin pains
Footballguy
I would love to see him get 15 touches. Right now I am leaning towards him (Kelley) or Crowell. I had Gillislee penciled in but the limited practices with a foot injury are scaring me away.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
There's been a lot of touches to go around in this backfield in recent weeks. Even with Jones and Thompson touching the ball a lot, Kelley was still being utilized 5 times a game. I think the opportunity will no doubt be there this week.
And yeah, Kelley is a plodder. But so is Asiata and he's probably a borderline RB1 this week. Opportunity is always going to supersede everything else in fantasy and Kelley is going to find himself with a fair amount this week.
We also are underselling his intangibles. Since the preseason he has consistently exhibited good vision and the willingness to fight for extra yards. Here's a paragraph from this article earlier in the year that I think sums it up nicely.
And yeah, Kelley is a plodder. But so is Asiata and he's probably a borderline RB1 this week. Opportunity is always going to supersede everything else in fantasy and Kelley is going to find himself with a fair amount this week.
We also are underselling his intangibles. Since the preseason he has consistently exhibited good vision and the willingness to fight for extra yards. Here's a paragraph from this article earlier in the year that I think sums it up nicely.
Everything mentioned here has translated to the regular season, albeit on limited play/touches.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
While I fundamentally agree, the comparison is a bit off since Asiata won't have competition for carries and has consistently been the GL & receiving back, whereas Kelley will lose receiving targets to Thompson and further complicating matters is a QB in cousins who loves to run in the red zone.
all opportunity isn't created equal - Asiata has a much better defined role, coveted short yardage work and receptions.
So while they're both plodders, Kelley may have far less opportunity than Asiata.
Not saying Kelley won't have value - he may well exceed expectations and we don't currently know his workload.
But without receptions his value already plummets in PPR format, and if Cousins vultures the GL opportunities, I'm just not seeing anywhere near as much upside as Asiata.
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
No doubt, which is why I said Asiata is a borderline RB1. I'm not treating Kelley as anything more than a flex in PPR.
I don't think we have to worry about Cousins vulturing GL opportunities though. Unless I'm mistaken, last week was Cousin's first rushing TD and it was on a read option on DET's 20 yard line. If you're a RB with the nickname Fat Rob, you're getting GL opportunites.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, I guess I'm still basing that off of last year when cousins seem to like to run a lot in the red zone, which led me to downgrade Matt Jones even further. I'm kind of surprised it cousins doesn't already have four or five rushing touchdowns this year - I think many of the cousins owners are surprised as well.
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