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If you were gay, Muslim or Mexican I bet you would feel different.I honestly do not think day to day life for you or your future child will be effected one bit by who is President.
If you were gay, Muslim or Mexican I bet you would feel different.I honestly do not think day to day life for you or your future child will be effected one bit by who is President.
I hear ya but can we wait until he gets into office and actually does something first? Anybody who wants to ##### about policy crap in a year, go right ahead. I expect it. This kind of crap is way over the top though.You cried about Obama for 8 ####ing years. This guy doesn't get a week?
At the same time, I think it would behoove some of the people who think Koya and others like him are overreacting to realize that the bolded is still pretty god#### awful.Even if you think that Trump is exactly the same as Hitler then you have to continue on that path and recognize that neither our democratic institutions nor our entire body politic are anywhere near, as in not remotely close, to the conditions in Germany in the 1920's.
Germany was a homogeneous people - suffering under deplorable conditions - living in a freshly minted, unfamiliar, and unstable democracy - the exact opposite of 2016 America.
By looking at one part of a complex equation you're stereotyping the "opposition", including your friends.
Is Trump racist? Maybe. Even probably. But there were lots of issues in this election and race was way down the list for a lot of people even though it's obviously #1 with a bullet to you. Same with Trump's sexism.
Most Trump voters didn't vote for him because he's racist. They did so IN SPITE OF IT. I think it would behoove you to understand those reasons and not throw the friendship baby out with the bathwater.
My significant other is a Mexican, my Ex (2 kids with) is from El Salvador my children are mixed-race and I'm pretty sure my son might be gay. Tell me how I'm suppose to feel?If you were gay, Muslim or Mexican I bet you would feel different.
Personally I think he might have a chance to be fine if he cuts out the racist, anti-gay crap. But that doesn't look great with Bannon on board.I hear ya but can we wait until he gets into office and actually does something first? Anybody who wants to ##### about policy crap in a year, go right ahead. I expect it. This kind of crap is way over the top though.
I don't agree, but even if they're puppets, they have very different puppeteers.This, we really give way too much credence to the roll of President - it really is just a figure head, and be it Dem. or Rep. it doesn't really matter - they are both just puppets.
This. I can't tell you how many "he's going to revoke gay marriage!" cries i saw, only to have him plainly state gay marriage law is done.I hear ya but can we wait until he gets into office and actually does something first? Anybody who wants to ##### about policy crap in a year, go right ahead. I expect it. This kind of crap is way over the top though.
I don't care how you feel tbh, but if what you're saying is true it's hard to understand how you could be fine with that ticket. But to each their own.My significant other is a Mexican, my Ex (2 kids with) is from El Salvador my children are mixed-race and I'm pretty sure my son might be gay. Tell me how I'm suppose to feel?
I didn't vote Trump, but I'm not unhappy he won. Why would I be? Because he campaigned on slowing down illegal immigration?I don't care how you feel tbh, but if what you're saying is true it's hard to understand how you could be fine with that ticket. But to each their own.
If you really believe Trump is Hitler, then why are you still here and not packing up your bags due to real fear. If I felt that way I'd be moving to another place not named the US to protect my family.Am I the only one that gets outraged when people so easily minimize who Hitler was and what he did? If you want to say Trump is = to David Duke, ok. But to compare him to someone who is responsible for millions of deaths is a bit sickening.
I have a family member who is 100% certain that they are going to put gays, lesbians, etc. into internment camps so that they can receive conversion therapy.This. I can't tell you how many "he's going to revoke gay marriage!" cries i saw, only to have him plainly state gay marriage law is done.
The guy is a #####, and he's said some pretty reprehensible ####.... but the hand wringing over the US becoming the 4th Reich is comical best, but is rapidly approaching pathetic.
Anti-gay? Trump?Personally I think he might have a chance to be fine if he cuts out the racist, anti-gay crap.
That's what some media outlets are telling them. Huffpo I'm guessing.Anti-gay? Trump?
If you were considering entrusting your children to these friends prior to the election you must have known and trusted them enough to not think they were "ok with bigotry and hate". I know people who voted both ways (and personally I voted for Johnson) and I think of them the same way as I thought of them before. I hope that after maybe a little more time has passed that you reassess your stance here. People have many different reasons for voting the way that they do.As far as my children? Never would I put the responsibility of their mixed-race well being in the hands of someone who is ok with the bigotry and hate that they will face in life, and, at best, is utterly unaware of the realities they will face.
Probably just getting the different bigots mixed-up. There's so much hate it's hard to keep straight. We need a cheat sheet. Hopefully this will help us get started:That's what some media outlets are telling them. Huffpo I'm guessing.
I knew you were Nick Saban.Wait, there was a Presidential election? Man, where have I been.
No, that's what the Mike Pence selection told me.That's what some media outlets are telling them. Huffpo I'm guessing.
You mean...the guy that hired Asians, Jews and gave a platform to flaming homosexual Milo Yiannopoulos.Personally I think he might have a chance to be fine if he cuts out the racist, anti-gay crap. But that doesn't look great with Bannon on board.
Pence, BannonYou mean...the guy that hired Asians, Jews and gave a platform to flaming homosexual Milo Yiannopoulos.
Bleak days ahead.
Seems like the "idiots" are telling him that his feelings and emotions are based on facts that are not necessarily so. I mean his feelings are based on believing that Trump is a direct parallel to Hitler. Why should people placate feelings based on what they believe to be a clear misreading of the facts?Good luck, Koya. Don't let the idiots tell you that your feelings and emotions are invalid.
Especially when none of them has the capacity for empathy or humanity. As Andy astutely noted above, Trump voters put humanity and civil rights way down the list of priorities. Clearly, he is right. That is what's so revealing about this election, about Trump supporters, including several notable posters here.Good luck, Koya. Don't let the idiots tell you that your feelings and emotions are invalid. They won't seek to understand. Making the effort to validate yourself to them in this anonymous form of communication is a waste of time.
Unfortunately, I have seen many many many people in the same belief circle as you Koya. But this is new to me and perhaps is the disconnect of the utmost importance. Did you have a discussion with your friend about what a vote for Trump means to HIM? Not trying to be a doosh, but what another person's vote represents to you means exactly nothing. It's their vote, not yours and you pushing your meanings onto their vote is the suck.I am not changing anything. He made a choice in not just voting for, but vocally supporting someone who has clearly spoken against and incited hatred toward people/families like us.
My only contention is those who did so must accept the responsibility for what they have done. And part of that is the responsibility of, in their judgement, voting for a clear bigot who purposely seeded racial and ethnic divide. I posted in response many times to him and others leading up to the election.
They knew what a vote for Trump meant for me, for my family. They had the right to make their own choice and judgement and they did just that. We both not have to live with those choices.
See, this is just patently false. By definition, if you support Trump, you support racism. You may not think so, but you do. At minimum, on an implicit level, it's ok with you.Haven't read the thread but one day I hope Koya will understand that everyone that voted trump doesn't support racism. Elections are not single issue ballots. People vote how they vote for many reasons.
The fact Koya looks differently on the people that we're going to be god parents because of how they voted says more about him than his friends.
Don't worry, assuming your kids grow up smarter than you they will realize what kind of people they are in due time.Do you think just not letting my folks see my mixed-race kids is enough? It doesn't feel like enough, I need to do more to let them know what a danger they are to my children and how even the mere mention of Grandma and Grandpa could alter their futures for the worse. Ideas?
In the same light, the same could be said for those that live in their liberal bubble, with respect to understanding why what happened in the election, happened.I don't know how to convey how incredibly common Koya's feelings are in liberal bubble. Koya's post could have been written by virtually everyone I know.
I think it's important for those of you who live in the conservative bubble, or who don't pay attention to politics, to understand this isn't just one nutty guy going overboard.
Oh man, get ready for a barrage of quotes followed by lots of , references to being a cuck, and something about a safe space.I don't know how to convey how incredibly common Koya's feelings are in the liberal bubble. Koya's post could have been written by virtually everyone I know.
I think it's important for those of you who live in the conservative bubble, or who don't pay attention to politics, to understand this isn't just one nutty guy going overboard.
Yup, I think it would be great if this were a thread where we could try to reach out and share what's happening in our bubbles. It's tough with all the trolls though.In the same light, the same could be said for those that live in their liberal bubble, with respect to understanding why what happened in the election, happened.
Is it possible that things outside your bubble are different from what they look like from inside it?I don't know how to convey how incredibly common Koya's feelings are in liberal bubble. Koya's post could have been written by virtually everyone I know.
I think it's important for those of you who live in the conservative bubble, or who don't pay attention to politics, to understand this isn't just one nutty guy going overboard.
My God you are a tool.I better stop letting my parents (Voted Trump) see their mixed-race grandkids because of who they voted for! Makes sense.
Of course it is. I'm just trying to address all the people that seem to think Koya is acting unreasonably to the election results. That may be true, but there are millions of other people feeling the exact same way. This is a bigger issue than just telling Koya to settle down.Is it possible that things outside your bubble are different from what they look like from inside it?
here's the issue for many: I was a Bernie supporter. Trump could have adopted every one of Bernie's stances and he still wouldn't have got my vote. Bernie wouldn't have gotten my vote if he did and said the things Trump said. Issues aside, I could never vote for or support a racist/sexist/bigot. those are disqualifying traits for many people. for others, not so much it seems. that can be dishearteningHaven't read the thread but one day I hope Koya will understand that everyone that voted trump doesn't support racism. Elections are not single issue ballots. People vote how they vote for many reasons