Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (6 Viewers)
- Thread starter whoknew
- Start date
gianmarco
Footballguy
Any day now I expect Trump to unleash a string of brutal tweets slamming all the members of his campaign staff who went behind his back and colluded with Russia to win him the election. He must feel like such a naïve fool to have all that happening right under his nose and having no knowledge of it.
Banger
Footballguy
all you guys stay strong, don't cooperate, go to jail all for my benefit but certainly without my knowledge
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Just talking with a guy today and he says Trump's only concern with Mueller is the cost to the taxpayers. SMDH. Guy just so happens to be a gun nut, but I'm sure he's giving this a lot of rational objective thought.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
"You can't seriously expect the president to keep track of all the foreign entities he's colluded with."
Banger
Footballguy
deja vu all over again??
Bill KristolVerified account @BillKristol
This is like late-stage Nixon. First Nixon didn’t know what Liddy & Hunt were doing. Then didn’t know what Coulson & Mitchell were doing. Then didn’t know what Haldeman & Ehrlichman were doing. Problem: Nixon did know what they were doing and they were doing it at his direction.
Bill KristolVerified account @BillKristol
This is like late-stage Nixon. First Nixon didn’t know what Liddy & Hunt were doing. Then didn’t know what Coulson & Mitchell were doing. Then didn’t know what Haldeman & Ehrlichman were doing. Problem: Nixon did know what they were doing and they were doing it at his direction.
gianmarco
Footballguy
These are such exceptionally abnormal times that the POTUS's attorney just gave an interview where he conceded that members of the election team colluded with Russia during the Presidential election and it's just another day in the news and Congress will do absolutely nothing about it or even address it.
And we once thought misspelling potato was a national disgrace.
And we once thought misspelling potato was a national disgrace.
Banger
Footballguy
to get the President ELECTED....the only thing that Trump has in his favor is that he's a practiced mob boss and smartly doesn't respond electronically (except on telephone) and he has suckers do his bidding for him.
Skoo
Footballguy
Was reading an article last night that was saying that at this point, it's up for debate which is worse:
A. He colluded, knew about it, directed it. Is currently a Russian agent.
B. He's so incredibly stupid and incompetent that he allowed himself to be surrounded by criminals and Russian agents and let all of this happen right under his nose.
Either way, it's grounds for impeachment.
He's either a Russian agent or unfit for the office he holds.
This is where we are.
A. He colluded, knew about it, directed it. Is currently a Russian agent.
B. He's so incredibly stupid and incompetent that he allowed himself to be surrounded by criminals and Russian agents and let all of this happen right under his nose.
Either way, it's grounds for impeachment.
He's either a Russian agent or unfit for the office he holds.
This is where we are.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
Oh good! With asset forfeitures, the investigation has actually turned a profit for the US government.
msommer
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
there's no way it's #2. he's a crook and as Cohen and others have said there was nothing that went on in Trump tower that he didn't know about. Very hands on....as I said in another post he was smart enough to find the bunch of imbeciles do his bidding and take the fall for him but he absolutely knew what was going on. He was the BENEFICIARY and wants to get rich off this....everything he accused Clinton of doing he's actually done exponentially worse. This is all about $ and he doesn't care who he has to sell out (America/allies) and who he gets in bed with (Turkey/SA/Russia/UAE) to get what he wants.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
Skoo
Footballguy
I completely agree with you 1,000%.
Just think it's interesting that just with what the public actually knows right now, he should be removed from office either way.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
and yet just yesterday the R's agree to REDUCE sanctions on Manaforts boss....the corruption is rampant.
Banger
Footballguy
the parallels are amazing...all these guys in my admin broke in and stole info for my benefit but I had no idea....all these guys in my campaign colluded with Russia for my benefit but I had no idea....Trump = Nixon 2.0...the more corrupt, racist, ignorant version...kind of like Multiplicity and when you make those copies they tend to be a little off in some respects from the original.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
i am more convinced that Rudy's bulging eyes is less shock about what he said but more shocked that he can still stand up from whatever alcoholic binge he was on to say it.Why does Rudy looked shocked he said that
Let's just say for the sake of it that Trump didn't know about all the colluding that was going on. But Putin definitely knows who colluded with who and I bet he lets Trump and his aides know about it every time they meet. So Trump has to collude with Putin in order to make sure that the boss doesn't really tell people what is going on. That is why all this "Trump is an agent for Putin" is so stupid to me. He is the "useful idiot" who Putin knows he has by his really small short hairs.
Skoo
Footballguy
Robert ReichVerified account @RBReich
Senate Republicans have refused to vote to reopen the U.S. government, but have no problem voting to lift sanctions on a Russian oligarch. That should tell you a lot about their priorities.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
>>Second, perhaps most importantly, while the messages were initially not captured, they have since been recovered.<<
Banger
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The Rudy Giuliani role in the movie is gonna be so meaty, and Robert Duvall is 88 years old.
Let's end this presidency so Duvall can play the role he was born to play.
Let's end this presidency so Duvall can play the role he was born to play.
Yes but is he complicit willingly or because Trump knows that Putin could destroy him with one simple hacker?
Still illegal and shady as #### I agree but that is really his only backup plan short of Rudy saying that 'NEVER EVER SAID THAT COLLUSION WAS BAD
"
Banger
Footballguy
and what did they say? did they prove that there was an illegal witch hunt? did it show that they forced Manafort to give polling data to GRU agents, did it show how the FBI coordinated and forced Don Jr and the head of the campaign to secretly meet with Russian agents to get illegally stolen campaign emails and then lie about it? did it show how they perjury trapped all the campaign members into lying to the FBI? did it show that they coordinated a secret deal for Trump to build his largest project in his life with Putin in Russia and then tricked him to lie about it?
such a stupid smoke screen....#RELEASETHEMEMO #FISAGATE
Ned
Footballguy
Cohen hired firm to (unsuccessfully) rig polls in 2015
I also find it odd that Trump hammered the polls for being fake, but didn't know about this.
So Cohen paid $12-13K in cash, but asked for $50K reimbursement.
I also find it odd that Trump hammered the polls for being fake, but didn't know about this. 
The Z Machine
Footballguy
That might have worked in the 1980s, but these days, the national security infrastructure has some crazy abilities. It wouldn't surprise me that the NSA has Trump recorded giving instructions in this matter. Whether those recordings can be used or even acknowledged, is another topic.
And this is exactly the reason why not being able to indict a sitting president should be thrown out the window in the case. The very reason he is the president is because of all these crimes he committed. Colluding with Russia. Paying off multiple mistresses so that the truth wouldn't get out and sway voters...the impact this scam has had on our country could last for generations. The total change in the Supreme Court is a prime example. You cannot possibly overstate the seriousness and damage of these crimes. And to say he's protected because he's the President is ridiculous.
Banger
Footballguy
he's complicit because he cares only about money and Putin has supported for decades and has the ability to give him billions more...along with SA. It's not that hard....Trump has always been about money and this is no different...look what's going to come out about the inauguration money....they took in $100 mill+ from the Russians/Saudi's/etc. and funneled it all back to Trump and his entities. That's the tip of the iceberg.Yes but is he complicit willingly or because Trump knows that Putin could destroy him with one simple hacker?
Still illegal and shady as #### I agree but that is really his only backup plan short of Rudy saying that 'NEVER EVER SAID THAT COLLUSION WAS BAD
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Dude's purging himself, expiating himself in public.
The WSJ Trump poll rigging story - Cohen showing up with a bag of cash, an actual bag man.
Poll-Rigging for Trump and Creating @WomenForCohen: One IT Firm’s Work Order
Behind the scenes, Michael Cohen hired RedFinch Solutions, then allegedly stiffed it—and his boss
In early 2015, a man who runs a small technology company showed up at Trump Tower to collect $50,000 for having helped Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, try to rig online polls in his boss’s favor before the presidential campaign.
In his Trump Organization office, Mr. Cohen surprised the man, John Gauger, by giving him a blue Walmart bag containing between $12,000 and $13,000 in cash and, randomly, a boxing glove that Mr. Cohen said had been worn by a Brazilian mixed-martial arts fighter, Mr. Gauger said.
Mr. Cohen disputed that he handed over a bag of cash. “All monies paid to Mr. Gauger were by check,” he said, offering no further comment on his ties to the consultant.
Mr. Gauger owns RedFinch Solutions LLC and is chief information officer at Liberty University in Virginia, where Jerry Falwell Jr., an evangelical leader and fervent Trump supporter, is president.
Mr. Gauger said he never got the rest of what he claimed he was owed. But Mr. Cohen in early 2017 still asked for—and received—a $50,000 reimbursement from Mr. Trump and his company for the work by RedFinch, according to a government document and a person familiar with the matter. The reimbursement—made on the sole basis of a handwritten note from Mr. Cohen and paid largely out of Mr. Trump’s personal account—demonstrates the level of trust the lawyer once had within the Trump Organization, whose officials arranged the repayment.
The Trump Organization declined to comment. Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for Mr. Trump, said Mr. Cohen’s being reimbursed more money than he paid RedFinch showed the former Trump lawyer to be a thief. “If one thing has been established, it’s that Michael Cohen is completely untrustworthy,” he said.
The reimbursement was mentioned by federal prosecutors when they charged Mr. Cohen in August with eight felonies, including campaign-finance violations for arranging hush-money payments to an adult-film star and a Playboy model who allege Mr. Trump had extramarital sexual encounters with them.
Prosecutors wrote in a charging document that when Mr. Cohen asked Trump Organization executives for a $130,000 reimbursement for a hush payment he made to Stephanie Clifford, the porn actress known as Stormy Daniels, he also scrawled a handwritten note asking for $50,000 he said he spent on “tech services” to aid Mr. Trump’s campaign. Prosecutors didn’t name the company providing those services, but people familiar with the matter say it was RedFinch.
Mr. Cohen’s dealings with the company and Mr. Gauger haven’t previously been reported.
Mr. Cohen has pleaded guilty to campaign-finance violations, tax evasion, lying to Congress and other charges. He was sentenced last month to three years in prison. None of the charges were connected to his interactions with Mr. Gauger and RedFinch.
The episode further illustrates how the former self-described fixer for Mr. Trump, who incriminated the president in the hush payments, once operated in secret to advance his boss’s political fortunes. Mr. Cohen’s dealings involving Mr. Trump over the years, including during the 2016 presidential race, will be a focus of Mr. Cohen’s testimony at a Feb. 7 hearing before the House Oversight Committee.
Mr. Gauger’s lawyer, Charles E. James Jr. of the firm Williams Mullen, said federal investigators interviewed Mr. Gauger about his interactions over six years with Mr. Cohen, from their first meeting in 2012 until last April, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation raided Mr. Cohen’s home, office and hotel room.
Mr. Gauger, who recounted those dealings to The Wall Street Journal, said that though Mr. Cohen promised him lucrative work for the presidential campaign, his activities related to Mr. Trump consisted of trying unsuccessfully to manipulate two online polls in Mr. Trump’s favor.
During the presidential race, Mr. Cohen also asked Mr. Gauger to create a Twitter account called @WomenForCohen. The account, created in May 2016 and run by a female friend of Mr. Gauger, described Mr. Cohen as a “sex symbol,” praised his looks and character, and promoted his appearances and statements boosting Mr. Trump’s candidacy.
When Mr. Cohen requested the $50,000 reimbursement for technology services, he didn’t tell Trump Organization executives what specific services were performed, and they didn’t ask, people familiar with the matter said.
The reimbursement he obtained for the deal with Ms. Clifford and the technology work was paid to him over the course of a year and characterized by the Trump Organization as legal fees, though it didn’t pertain to any legal work he performed at the time, prosecutors said. Overall, Mr. Cohen was paid $420,000, mostly from Mr. Trump’s personal account, including $180,000 to reimburse him for Ms. Clifford and RedFinch, a $60,000 bonus, and another $180,000 to cover taxes he would owe because the money would be declared as income, according to prosecutors.
Richard Hasen, an election-law expert and law professor at University of California, Irvine, said Mr. Cohen had an obligation to disclose the payment to RedFinch as an independent expenditure if it was for campaign-related work he didn’t discuss with the Trump campaign. Had he coordinated with the Trump camp, the campaign would have been required to report any unpaid-for work as an in-kind contribution.
The connection between Messrs. Trump and Cohen and Liberty University dates at least to 2012, when Mr. Falwell invited Mr. Trump to give a speech and Mr. Cohen accompanied him. Soon after, Mr. Gauger was introduced to Mr. Cohen, helped him set up an Instagram account and gave him his cellphone number should he need more assistance, he said.
Over the next several years, Mr. Cohen asked Mr. Gauger for help with services intended to elevate positive content in internet-search results for himself and for friends, Mr. Gauger said. While he didn’t pay for most of what Mr. Gauger did, Mr. Cohen often promised to connect RedFinch with executives at Mr. Trump’s hotel and golf-course businesses, though he never did, Mr. Gauger said.
In January 2014, Mr. Cohen asked Mr. Gauger to help Mr. Trump score well in a CNBC online poll to identify the country’s top business leaders by writing a computer script to repeatedly vote for him. Mr. Gauger was unable to get Mr. Trump into the top 100 candidates. In February 2015, as Mr. Trump prepared to enter the presidential race, Mr. Cohen asked him to do the same for a Drudge Report poll of potential Republican candidates, Mr. Gauger said. Mr. Trump ranked fifth, with about 24,000 votes, or 5% of the total.
After making the cash payment at Trump Tower, Mr. Cohen kept saying he would pay the balance of the $50,000 but never did, Mr. Gauger said. Mr. Cohen also promised to get RedFinch work for Mr. Trump’s campaign. He set up two phone calls for Mr. Gauger with campaign officials, who didn’t hire him, he said.
“Mr. Cohen promised but never was able to develop the business he predicted,” said Mr. James, Mr. Gauger’s lawyer.
Mr. Cohen did give Mr. Gauger some other paying work. Early in 2016, Mr. Cohen hired RedFinch to help create positive web content about the chief executive of CareOne Management LLC, a New Jersey assisted-living company that had given Mr. Cohen a consulting contract.
Mr. Cohen sent RedFinch checks totaling $50,000 for that work, Mr. Gauger said. Mr. Cohen collected $200,000 from CareOne but didn’t pay taxes on it, according to the charging document filed by federal prosecutors, who didn’t identify the assisted-living company by name. Mr. Cohen pleaded guilty to evading taxes on that income. CareOne didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Mr. Cohen asked Mr. Gauger to create the @WomenForCohen account, still active in 2019, to elevate his profile. The account’s profile says it is run by “Women who love and support Michael Cohen. Strong, pit bull, sex symbol, no nonsense, business oriented and ready to make a difference!”
Mr. Gauger said he last spoke with Mr. Cohen in April 2018, shortly after the raid by federal agents. He said Mr. Cohen told him the investigation was about taxes and how he had accessed money from some of his accounts. “It’s not a big deal,” Mr. Cohen said, according to Mr. Gauger.
Behind the scenes, Michael Cohen hired RedFinch Solutions, then allegedly stiffed it—and his boss
In early 2015, a man who runs a small technology company showed up at Trump Tower to collect $50,000 for having helped Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, try to rig online polls in his boss’s favor before the presidential campaign.
In his Trump Organization office, Mr. Cohen surprised the man, John Gauger, by giving him a blue Walmart bag containing between $12,000 and $13,000 in cash and, randomly, a boxing glove that Mr. Cohen said had been worn by a Brazilian mixed-martial arts fighter, Mr. Gauger said.
Mr. Cohen disputed that he handed over a bag of cash. “All monies paid to Mr. Gauger were by check,” he said, offering no further comment on his ties to the consultant.
Mr. Gauger owns RedFinch Solutions LLC and is chief information officer at Liberty University in Virginia, where Jerry Falwell Jr., an evangelical leader and fervent Trump supporter, is president.
Mr. Gauger said he never got the rest of what he claimed he was owed. But Mr. Cohen in early 2017 still asked for—and received—a $50,000 reimbursement from Mr. Trump and his company for the work by RedFinch, according to a government document and a person familiar with the matter. The reimbursement—made on the sole basis of a handwritten note from Mr. Cohen and paid largely out of Mr. Trump’s personal account—demonstrates the level of trust the lawyer once had within the Trump Organization, whose officials arranged the repayment.
The Trump Organization declined to comment. Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for Mr. Trump, said Mr. Cohen’s being reimbursed more money than he paid RedFinch showed the former Trump lawyer to be a thief. “If one thing has been established, it’s that Michael Cohen is completely untrustworthy,” he said.
The reimbursement was mentioned by federal prosecutors when they charged Mr. Cohen in August with eight felonies, including campaign-finance violations for arranging hush-money payments to an adult-film star and a Playboy model who allege Mr. Trump had extramarital sexual encounters with them.
Prosecutors wrote in a charging document that when Mr. Cohen asked Trump Organization executives for a $130,000 reimbursement for a hush payment he made to Stephanie Clifford, the porn actress known as Stormy Daniels, he also scrawled a handwritten note asking for $50,000 he said he spent on “tech services” to aid Mr. Trump’s campaign. Prosecutors didn’t name the company providing those services, but people familiar with the matter say it was RedFinch.
Mr. Cohen’s dealings with the company and Mr. Gauger haven’t previously been reported.
Mr. Cohen has pleaded guilty to campaign-finance violations, tax evasion, lying to Congress and other charges. He was sentenced last month to three years in prison. None of the charges were connected to his interactions with Mr. Gauger and RedFinch.
The episode further illustrates how the former self-described fixer for Mr. Trump, who incriminated the president in the hush payments, once operated in secret to advance his boss’s political fortunes. Mr. Cohen’s dealings involving Mr. Trump over the years, including during the 2016 presidential race, will be a focus of Mr. Cohen’s testimony at a Feb. 7 hearing before the House Oversight Committee.
Mr. Gauger’s lawyer, Charles E. James Jr. of the firm Williams Mullen, said federal investigators interviewed Mr. Gauger about his interactions over six years with Mr. Cohen, from their first meeting in 2012 until last April, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation raided Mr. Cohen’s home, office and hotel room.
Mr. Gauger, who recounted those dealings to The Wall Street Journal, said that though Mr. Cohen promised him lucrative work for the presidential campaign, his activities related to Mr. Trump consisted of trying unsuccessfully to manipulate two online polls in Mr. Trump’s favor.
During the presidential race, Mr. Cohen also asked Mr. Gauger to create a Twitter account called @WomenForCohen. The account, created in May 2016 and run by a female friend of Mr. Gauger, described Mr. Cohen as a “sex symbol,” praised his looks and character, and promoted his appearances and statements boosting Mr. Trump’s candidacy.
When Mr. Cohen requested the $50,000 reimbursement for technology services, he didn’t tell Trump Organization executives what specific services were performed, and they didn’t ask, people familiar with the matter said.
The reimbursement he obtained for the deal with Ms. Clifford and the technology work was paid to him over the course of a year and characterized by the Trump Organization as legal fees, though it didn’t pertain to any legal work he performed at the time, prosecutors said. Overall, Mr. Cohen was paid $420,000, mostly from Mr. Trump’s personal account, including $180,000 to reimburse him for Ms. Clifford and RedFinch, a $60,000 bonus, and another $180,000 to cover taxes he would owe because the money would be declared as income, according to prosecutors.
Richard Hasen, an election-law expert and law professor at University of California, Irvine, said Mr. Cohen had an obligation to disclose the payment to RedFinch as an independent expenditure if it was for campaign-related work he didn’t discuss with the Trump campaign. Had he coordinated with the Trump camp, the campaign would have been required to report any unpaid-for work as an in-kind contribution.
The connection between Messrs. Trump and Cohen and Liberty University dates at least to 2012, when Mr. Falwell invited Mr. Trump to give a speech and Mr. Cohen accompanied him. Soon after, Mr. Gauger was introduced to Mr. Cohen, helped him set up an Instagram account and gave him his cellphone number should he need more assistance, he said.
Over the next several years, Mr. Cohen asked Mr. Gauger for help with services intended to elevate positive content in internet-search results for himself and for friends, Mr. Gauger said. While he didn’t pay for most of what Mr. Gauger did, Mr. Cohen often promised to connect RedFinch with executives at Mr. Trump’s hotel and golf-course businesses, though he never did, Mr. Gauger said.
In January 2014, Mr. Cohen asked Mr. Gauger to help Mr. Trump score well in a CNBC online poll to identify the country’s top business leaders by writing a computer script to repeatedly vote for him. Mr. Gauger was unable to get Mr. Trump into the top 100 candidates. In February 2015, as Mr. Trump prepared to enter the presidential race, Mr. Cohen asked him to do the same for a Drudge Report poll of potential Republican candidates, Mr. Gauger said. Mr. Trump ranked fifth, with about 24,000 votes, or 5% of the total.
After making the cash payment at Trump Tower, Mr. Cohen kept saying he would pay the balance of the $50,000 but never did, Mr. Gauger said. Mr. Cohen also promised to get RedFinch work for Mr. Trump’s campaign. He set up two phone calls for Mr. Gauger with campaign officials, who didn’t hire him, he said.
“Mr. Cohen promised but never was able to develop the business he predicted,” said Mr. James, Mr. Gauger’s lawyer.
Mr. Cohen did give Mr. Gauger some other paying work. Early in 2016, Mr. Cohen hired RedFinch to help create positive web content about the chief executive of CareOne Management LLC, a New Jersey assisted-living company that had given Mr. Cohen a consulting contract.
Mr. Cohen sent RedFinch checks totaling $50,000 for that work, Mr. Gauger said. Mr. Cohen collected $200,000 from CareOne but didn’t pay taxes on it, according to the charging document filed by federal prosecutors, who didn’t identify the assisted-living company by name. Mr. Cohen pleaded guilty to evading taxes on that income. CareOne didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Mr. Cohen asked Mr. Gauger to create the @WomenForCohen account, still active in 2019, to elevate his profile. The account’s profile says it is run by “Women who love and support Michael Cohen. Strong, pit bull, sex symbol, no nonsense, business oriented and ready to make a difference!”
Mr. Gauger said he last spoke with Mr. Cohen in April 2018, shortly after the raid by federal agents. He said Mr. Cohen told him the investigation was about taxes and how he had accessed money from some of his accounts. “It’s not a big deal,” Mr. Cohen said, according to Mr. Gauger.
Last edited by a moderator:
joffer
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'm not sure Rudy is really lawyering or just spokeslawyering, but if this is an actual new position it causes potentially major problems for the 36+ people they have corralled into a joint defense agreement. Because when defendants are at odds in terms of guilt, they can't share information anymore.
Last edited by a moderator:
apalmer
Footballguy
You say that like you are surprised that Trump has thrown everyone under the bus here. There was never going to be any other outcome.
THE BUCK STOPS WITH EVERYBODY!
The General
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
Jim SciuttoVerified account @jimsciutto
Note this: last night on CNN the president's lawyer opened the door to the possibility of collusion between Trump campaign & Russia: “I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. I have not. I said the president of the United States"
4:21 AM - 17 Jan 2019
Guiliani's next statement will be..."I said the President didn't collude with Russia during the campaign...I never said candidate Trump never colluded with Russia....of course he did but it's totally cool and legal!!"
Note this: last night on CNN the president's lawyer opened the door to the possibility of collusion between Trump campaign & Russia: “I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. I have not. I said the president of the United States"
4:21 AM - 17 Jan 2019
Guiliani's next statement will be..."I said the President didn't collude with Russia during the campaign...I never said candidate Trump never colluded with Russia....of course he did but it's totally cool and legal!!"
Last edited by a moderator:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It's the opposite of 'who wants a pardon?' as a strategy. The JDA might be the one smart (albeit corrupt IMO) strategy Team Trump has done and it's been to keep people's traps shut while at the same time dragging in info from whatever interactions they've been having with Mueller. And if this is an actual position where Team Trump says Trump's not guilty but oh hey these fellows in the JDA might be, then that's a damn good reason to stop helping Trump, because it's not self-preservational anymore and actually quite the opposite.
Last edited by a moderator:
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
CLEAN UP ON AISLE 5.....
Shimon ProkupeczVerified account @ShimonPro
In the wake of his comments to @ChrisCuomo , Rudy Giuliani this morning sought to further explain his comments, saying he did not intend to send any new signals regarding the understanding of the investigation. @DanaBashCNN
6:50 AM - 17 Jan 2019
Like clockwork...within 12 hours of nearly every time Gulliani speaks publicly he comes out the next morning to say he didn't say what he just said.....the gift that keeps giving.
Shimon ProkupeczVerified account @ShimonPro
In the wake of his comments to @ChrisCuomo , Rudy Giuliani this morning sought to further explain his comments, saying he did not intend to send any new signals regarding the understanding of the investigation. @DanaBashCNN
6:50 AM - 17 Jan 2019
Like clockwork...within 12 hours of nearly every time Gulliani speaks publicly he comes out the next morning to say he didn't say what he just said.....the gift that keeps giving.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It was a job application, especially considering Barr like everyone else knew Sessions was on the way out. But it was an actual memo offering advice to Trump's and Kushner's personal lawyers, Barr was providing actual legal service to these people albeit freely. Later Trump asked him to be his actual lawyer. It's an absolute cause for recusal and eventually the DOJ ethics team will say that just like they did with Whitaker who did far less just speaking on tv as a pundit.
Skoo
Footballguy
I'd love to be a fly on the wall as Trump loses his mind over this.
Keep sending him on TV big guy. Can only help.
Banger
Footballguy
I actually think it's their strategy...confusion, double talk, muddy the waters and you send the minions on the talk shows to spin and dull down the masses on false equivalents...rinse and repeat. It's happened too many times for it to be a coincidence and Trump isn't publicly going on twitter and trying to damage control so this is their way of getting ahead of the story, they sell it to their base with some phony spin and it goes on....
msommer
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
ren hoek
Footballguy
https://eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america_me/56433/Joint Letter to U.S. Senate Minority Leader Schumer on Delisting RUSAL and EN+
“Regarding the most prominent case of Mr. Oleg Deripaska and companies linked to him, we note Treasury Secretary Mnuchin's remarks that the sanctions were never intended "to target the hardworking people who depend on RUSAL and its subsidiaries." Nevertheless, it is crucial that the sanctions avoid unintended consequences for European companies and the delisting of RUSAL and EN+ is an important step in mitigating such consequences.
Since the sanctions were imposed, alumina and aluminium plants in Austria, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Sweden, and the United Kingdom have faced increased prices and significant challenges in maintaining their daily operations, securing new sales contracts and renewing existing contracts with longtime customers (see attached Annex). The delisting of RUSAL and EN+ will safeguard these plants and the livelihoods of 75,000 workers across the European Union (2,600 in four EU alumina refineries, 13,000 in aluminium smelters and 60,000 in related manufacturing facilities). Moreover, by preventing serious damage to the European aluminium industry, the delisting will help to preserve existing supply chains which would otherwise likely be rerouted to China, further strengthening its global market position in the industry.“
It looks like the sanctions are impacting 75k jobs and the EU’s aluminum trade. By delisting RUSAL and EN+, Congress is actually supporting the EU. But at least people got to chew out those REPUBLICAN TRAITORS!
