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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (1 Viewer)
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The Future Champs
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Henry Ford
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When someone is referred to as a Russian asset (and I know we’ve discussed this before) that doesn’t mean he’s acting knowingly or with malice on behalf of Russia. It’s because someone does things like this that aid Russia.
There is no question in my mind that Trump is a Russian asset. That does not say anything about whether he personally conspired with Russia or is personally guilty of a crime related to Russia.
Henry Ford
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This is a really long discussion about Ukraine, Slavic native faiths, symbolism, and propaganda. Can I put a pin in this and discuss tomorrow or another day soon?
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The Future Champs
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ren hoek
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You're welcome to, but don't feel obligated to on my account. The subject of the tweet was Venezuela. Which is an interesting development. Opposing the US coup in VZ is explicitly antiTrump, and explicitly against 'foreign interference'. Which is something I would've thought people who'd spent the past 2 years arguing about election meddling would be upset about, especially coming from Trump. And yet those same people are taking the proTrump position, as opposed to the nominally 'proRussian' position of opposing illegal US intervention abroad.
Really, I was hoping someone would acknowledge what it means to them that people like Michael Weiss can toss out Cold War smears against a Congressman because they have a dissenting view on regime change wars, which Weiss has spent his whole career cheerleading. Here it is, being weaponized against a progressive congressman in broad daylight. I'm waiting for the big 'No Sense of Decency' moment when people realize how destructive and dangerous this is.
I see people dunking on Trump associates for getting indicted. Ok, great. How about acknowledging the cultural shift that's happened that this sort of propaganda tactic has been normalized again.
dkp993
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SaintsInDome2006
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Henry Ford
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Oh, sure. Yeah, that’s stupid and there are good reasons not to listen to Michael Weiss about anything. Frankly, the guy’s so frightened of Islam it’s almost good to see him branching out to another subject.
Henry Ford
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SaintsInDome2006
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SaintsInDome2006
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Dedfin
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AAABatteries
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Is it really though?Henry Ford said:
AAABatteries
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"typical salad"? Maybe Christie should try a few of those.BobbyLayne said:Trump Thought Firing Flynn Would End ‘Russia Thing,’ Chris Christie Writes in Book
You couldn't make this up - I thought that date looked familiar, and dang, it's the same meal Trump told him Chris "you're having the meatloaf."
Christie wants us to believe he laughed at Trump?
The Commish
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So have all the others listed. The only difference between DN and everyone else his he suspects it's nothing where the others listed suspect there is something. That's not a goodI have always been waiting to see the report and have been saying it for almost two years. No, more like guys like Junior, Bucky, Juxatrot, Sinn Fien, Orten to Tanner, Sho Nuf, Fish and hundreds more on this forum are already convinced he is guilty where guys like myself, knowledge dropper, opie, ren, go birds believe in innocent until proven guilty and are waiting to see the report but suspect it is a big nothingburger. Glad to hear you are waiting to see the report too Henry. 
position....a little absurd hyperbole never hurt anyone did it?
SaintsInDome2006
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As of last night, not in DC. He has until 900 ET to fix it somehow. He just needs someone local to show up.
AAABatteries
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I haven't chimed in a lot during this thread because honestly I'm kind of ready for it to be over too and I just don't have the time to follow it. I'll caution what I think I did a long time ago - for me, if he's guilty then they should sentence/impeach/whatever him appropriately. But we don't get the last 2 years back either way. And if he's not, then that's good that it played out and he was exonerated - I think for those interested in "healing" our divide that may be the best outcome (although I'm not certain).
But no matter which way it goes I still take issue with the fact that he doesn't know what he's doing, he's made a mess of things and he intentionally divides us - he's a horrible POTUS whether he colluded or not.
Skoo
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Wait, people are still unsure about collusion?
These guys are all crooks. And not only are they crooks, they're really really bad at being crooks.
They're all guilty. 100%.
Not saying I think Trump ends up in an orange jumpsuit to match his hair, but he's definitely guilty.
These guys are all crooks. And not only are they crooks, they're really really bad at being crooks.
They're all guilty. 100%.
Not saying I think Trump ends up in an orange jumpsuit to match his hair, but he's definitely guilty.
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Dedfin
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This seems like a crazy move not only because hes a guy that should ha e DC lawyers just because of his job, but he knew he was going to have legal issues. Hes not a stupid man. This must be a calculated move on his part, right?
SaintsInDome2006
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Ha, well they didn’t meet the deadline. That’s just pure stupidity and incompetence. I don’t think there’s any ‘crazy like a fox’ here. Maybe someone can still show up, like a public defender, the arraignment itself is at 1100 ET.
ericttspikes
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I imagine he might have local counsel for this morning - and his normal lawyers will ask to be added at a later date.
I think the local counsel can enter an appearance at any time - it was the out-of-area lawyers that had to file their motion to appear by 9:00 am.
But, who knows.
The Z Machine
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I would hazard a guess that Mueller's report - no matter what it says, will not change too many minds...
SaintsInDome2006
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Just reading what you posted earlier, Stone had a guy named Farkas (yes) who was named in the motion, but had not actually appeared as counsel of record, which is really weird. I guess he could just "appear" at the hearing as you say.I imagine he might have local counsel for this morning - and his normal lawyers will ask to be added at a later date.
I think the local counsel can enter an appearance at any time - it was the out-of-area lawyers that had to file their motion to appear by 9:00 am.
But, who knows.
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Ignoramus
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Or, they're totally innocent and they've just lied about everything every step of the way, tampered with evidence and witnesses and tried to shut down the investigation. You know, all the stuff that totally innocent people do all the time.
SaintsInDome2006
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I think like Sinn says, it will work out and there will be a local lawyer there. It's just weird. The guy who was able to appear apparently they didn't want on the record, and the people they wanted on the record didn't have the right to appear.
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Skoo
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Let's not forget how many people keep pleading guilty for things they are innocent of.
I just don't know how anyone that isn't a Trumper has any doubt at this point. It's not like it's one story, one guilty person. It's everyone and everything. Wikileaks. Data sharing. Trump tower meeting. Trump Tower Moscow. Taking Putin's side over the United States. And they lied about all of it.
SaintsInDome2006
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Farkas has appeared.
- He's not a criminal law lawyer. He does IP and antitrust law.
- eta - Update - Pfft, Stone's lawyers have now been allowed in after all.
- He's not a criminal law lawyer. He does IP and antitrust law.
- eta - Update - Pfft, Stone's lawyers have now been allowed in after all.
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Godsbrother
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Sure but aside from that they have NOTHING!
Seriously I think the final report will be a censure of the Trump administration but will fall short of any definitive statement of collusion. The Trump people will see it as a vindication and the Democrats will be telling everyone to connect the dots and you can see that Trump colluded.
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joffer
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sho nuff
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Scut Farkus?
What a rotten name! There he stood, between us and the alley. Scut Farkus staring out at us with his yellow eyes. He had yellow eyes! SO HELP ME GOD, YELLOW EYES!!
BigJim®
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The summary of the report, yes I agree. The report itself I would expect to go deeper re: firing of Comey, public Trump statements (re: Wiki, siding with Russia over Justice Dept), continued reliance on joint defense agreements with a person who has pled guilty and signed cooperation agreement, etc. I'm not as convinced as others that this is coming to a quick conclusion if they were just fighting at supreme court re: records held by a foreign corporation, beginning to look into NRA funds, etc. I interpreted Whitaker's public comments yesterday as pushing for quick closure rather than an honest status statement. That would be in line with Giuliani - the sooner they end it, the less new evidence they find.
As a rule - courts really don't like technicalities - they will try to work a resolution on the merits where possible. The only way Stone's lawyers were not going to be admitted was if they were in fact the subject to disciplinary proceedings in their home jurisdiction and not currently members in good standing with a bar.Farkas has appeared.
- He's not a criminal law lawyer. He does IP and antitrust law.
- eta - Update - Pfft, Stone's lawyers have now been allowed in after all.
We actually saw a similar incident with the Special Counsel's office in the VA Manafort case, where local rules required that a named counsel be admitted to the EDVA. It took a little bit for the Special Counsel's office to add the local US Attorney as counsel of record. Part of that is procedural - but the practical aspect for all courts is that each court as a set of local rules that may have specific requirements in pleadings, how things are served on opposing parties, etc. It is easier to have local counsel who are familiar with those rules so you don't run afoul of an impatient judge.
Captain Cranks
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LOL. There's a picketer standing outside the DC courthouse with a sign that says, "Free Stone, Jail Hillary."
AAABatteries
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SaintsInDome2006
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AAABatteries
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I had to look that up when you mentioned them previously - who has time for this type of crap? I'll never understand the people who are "professional protestor" types - how do they earn a living?
Mario Kart
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Should have the words in reverse order so people ask for selfies with him. Internet GOLD!I was
SaintsInDome2006
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AAABatteries
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dozer
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House Democrat Targets Steven Mnuchin's Business Dealings In The Russian Sanctions Fight
California Rep. Jackie Speier, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, sent a letter to Mnuchin last week seeking answers about a deal he reportedly made in 2017 with an associate of Oleg Deripaska.
Lock his ### up too.
California Rep. Jackie Speier, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, sent a letter to Mnuchin last week seeking answers about a deal he reportedly made in 2017 with an associate of Oleg Deripaska.
Lock his ### up too.
sho nuff
Footballguy
This from Sen Kennedy(LA) made me laugh. Not a big fan but he has some pretty good quotes and is a straight shooter.
https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/28/roger-stone-talked-his-way-indictment-senator-john-kennedy-says
Henry Ford
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Two of my good friends are on the Stompers. One is an HIV positive gay rights (and + rights) activist who runs a radio show on WWOZ and one is the most conservative Republican I know. Always does my heart good to think of them dancing together.
