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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (1 Viewer)

Sabertooth said:
Seems like nitpicking to go after him on that.  It isn't like he took a piss on it.  
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It's a CIA POV that matters in these reports, not ours. To them it's not nitpicking when they go to work every day knowing many of their colleagues are laying their lives on the line. And the question is does their CIC respect that and trust them - and can they trust him?
 

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INSKEEP: NPR national security correspondent Mary Louise Kelly is in our studio. She's been speaking with members of the intelligence community, past and present. Good morning, Mary Louise.

MARY LOUISE KELLY, BYLINE: Good morning.

INSKEEP: OK, so he's not saying, I'm making up with the intelligence agencies. He's saying, I never had a problem with you to begin with.

KELLY: That's what he said. And that is false. President Trump is on record in statements, in tweets, in that news conference you just mentioned that he held as president-elect. And he is on the record ridiculing and attacking U.S. intelligence officials. So to suggest that the media made up this feud...

INSKEEP: His own statements.

KELLY: ...It's provably not true. In that same speech out of the CIA this weekend, Trump also falsely inflated the size of the crowd at his inauguration. In talking about the weather, he described that when he began to speak at his inauguration, the rain stopped immediately. And in fact, you could see water beating on the lapel of his coat. Now, does it matter whether it rained or not?

INSKEEP: No.

KELLY: Who cares? But it does matter to the CIA veterans, who I was reaching out to this weekend. It rankles because he made these untrue claims and of where he made them, in the lobby of the CIA.

INSKEEP: And not just any lobby - there's a wall of stars behind him as he was speaking. And those stars represent something.

KELLY: They represent CIA officers who have died in the line of duty. And it's interesting. One of the former intelligence officers who I reached this weekend said there's the stars. And those are sacred if you work at CIA. But this person said, remember what's on the opposite wall, what Trump was looking at as he spoke.

And I have crossed that lobby, Steve, many times on my way to interview officials who work there. And carved in the marble on the opposite wall is this. It's a quotation from the Bible. And it reads, "and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

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INSKEEP: So how awkward is it that the new president has taken office - the new administration has come in - and there is still, so far as we know, an investigation of the president's ties to Russia?

KELLY: It is awkward. And the latest twist is The Wall Street Journal reporting this morning that Trump's national security adviser, Mike Flynn, is under a counter intelligence investigation because of suspected ties to Russia. The Senate Intelligence Committee is also investigating that very question.

So here - here is the question that another CIA veteran put to me after watching Trump's speech this weekend. This is Steve Hall. He was CIA chief of Russia operations. And he asked, what happens when the CIA collects a stellar piece of intelligence that maybe puts Vladimir Putin in a bad light? Steve Hall said, what happens when the CIA briefs Trump, and he wants to know the source? And Hall's quote directly to me was, how can you say, no, we don't trust you with the sourcing of that information? That is a live question today at Langley.
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http://www.npr.org/2017/01/23/511165541/president-trump-pays-a-fence-mending-visit-to-the-cia

 
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fatness said:
Any investigation of Russian involvement in Trump's campaign is likely to end here.
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Arguably the statements he made on the campaign trail about Hillary are what causes him to recuse himself from that investigation (hypothetically, I guess, no idea if there still is one...).

Not sure what Sessions has said on RIS hacking. And almost every single controversial thing the DOJ does would be touched by his role in the campaign, not just the RIS investigation. Not saying that to defend Sessions, but to me the question is not would he recuse himself, the question is what would happen if Trump tried to interfere with the investigation or shut it down. So then would we have another Saturday Night Massacre? Something going against Trump is that there are multiple agencies involved, not just the FBI. Even Nixon did not face that.

 
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Rove! said:
Flynn innocent _no improper contact

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.e188d09d917a
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I'm not sure I recall anyone claiming the calls were illegal. The content was the issue.

The fact of them were news. The president's NSA advisor and the RFM are in touch by text? That's a new layer also. Interesting choice of contact and close, off the record means of doing so.

You should also read that article more carefully. The administration lied about the date of the call, placing it *before the announcement of sanctions. Which also means they likely lied about the content of the calls as Spicer used the pre-sanctions dating to assert there was no discussion of sanctions.

It's not in this article but I think the WH has understated the number of calls as well.

 
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House intel panel moves ahead with Russian hacking probe


The House Intelligence Committee is moving forward with its probe into Russian interference in the U.S. election, committee leaders said in a statement issued Wednesday.

The committee has begun to receive documents, Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and Ranking Member Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said, adding that they expect “prompt” replies to further requests for information.

“It will not be adequate to review these documents, expected to be in the thousands of pages, at the agencies,” they warned. “They should be delivered to the House Intelligence Committee to provide members adequate time to examine their content.”

The bipartisan probe — which the committee says is a continuation of work it has tackled for years — is targeted at both the Russian attempt to influence the election and “any intelligence regarding links between Russia and individuals associated with political campaigns.”

The Senate Intelligence Committee also announced this week that it is moving forward with its probe into the 2016 election.

That investigation will also examine whether any campaign officials had contact with Russia during the course of the election.

The statements come as the FBI and five other agencies are reportedly investigating if Russia secretly helped President Donald Trump win the election. ...
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http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/316078-house-intel-panel-moves-ahead-with-russian-hacking-probe

 
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Anti-hacking boss at Russian cybersecurity firm faces treason charge







Ruslan Stoyanov, head of Kaspersky Lab’s investigations unit, detained with FSB officer in unprecedented swoop




A manager at Russia’s biggest cybersecurity firm in charge of investigating hacking attacks has been arrested, the company has said.

Kaspersky Lab on Wednesday confirmed reports in Russia’s respected Kommersant newspaper that Ruslan Stoyanov, the head of its computer incidents investigations unit, was arrested in December. Kommersant said Stoyanov was detained along with a senior Russian FSB intelligence officer and that they both faced charges of treason.

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- Pfft, weird timing, huh?

 
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Sammy3469 said:
Even weirder?  Putin knows how to tie up loose ends

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/world/europe/sergei-mikhailov-russian-cybercrimes-agent-arrested.html
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In another indication of high-level turmoil over cyberintelligence issues within the security agency, Kommersant reported on Jan. 13 that the director of the Center for Information Security, Andrei Gerasimov, would be fired. His termination was related to the investigation into the agency’s cooperation with Kaspersky on criminal hacking cases.

Mr. Gerasimov, who has led the Center for Information Security since 2009, was described as building close ties with companies like the Kaspersky Lab as an element in Russia’s cybersecurity policy. He is also the deputy director for counterintelligence at the F.S.B.
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- Annnnddd on Dec. 26th: an FSB General ( Yerovinkin ) who also was an executive at Rosneft the oil giant with ties to Exxon - also found D.E.A.D.

- Same day as this guy ( Erovinkin ): Igor Sechin's chief of staff at Rosneft, found DEAD..

- And this is all going down in December?

When the IC is issuing its report to Pres. Obama and he was issuing sanctions?

So 1. Stoyanov, 2. Mikhailov, 3. Gerasimov all get arrested/canned (plus two Rosneft bodies), just when the IC is issuing its classified briefing that tied the Trump campaign to connections to Russian government/intelligence based on gathered leaks (& human and signals sources), some of which was suggested in the Steele dossier, which also might have been getting leaks out of Russia.

 
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Alleged Source of Claims in Trump Dossier Joined Trip That Drew FBI Scrutiny


Sergei Millian, named by The Wall Street Journal Tuesday as an alleged source of some of the most explosive claims in the unverified Trump dossier compiled by an ex-British spy, was involved in a prior episode that brought FBI scrutiny and that also has a connection to the dossier.

In 2011, Mr. Millian participated in a trip that brought 50 young American entrepreneurs to Russia, sponsored by a Russian quasi-government cultural organization, Rossotrudnichestvo.

As head of the Russian American Chamber of Commerce in the USA, Mr. Millian afterward sent a letter in which he thanked then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and said he looked forward to “assisting Rossotrudnichestvo with the preparations for next year’s trip.” The letter was posted on the website of the Russian American Chamber, a small nonprofit that Mr. Millian founded.

Two years later, FBI agents interviewed many of the participants. They were probing whether Rossotrudnichestvo was using junkets to recruit Americans as assets for Russian intelligence.

“They tried to interrogate us, saying this was a KGB recruiting trip,” said Mike Costache, one of the participants, who said he helped write the letter to Mr. Medvedev. He called the allegations “bull####,” and the Russian Embassy in Washington issued a strong denial.

Mr. Millian didn’t respond to questions about the 2011 trip. He called the allegations in the Trump dossier “fake news (created by sick minds),” but didn’t respond to questions about whether he was a source for the document.

Rossotrudnichestvo also was mentioned in the dossier compiled last year by the British ex-spy, which made unverified claims that President Donald Trump had secret ties to Russian leaders.

According to that document, Rossotrudnichestvo was used to provide “cover” for some of the supposed contacts between the Trump camp and Moscow, including for a supposed meeting in Prague that all parties concerned have strongly denied ever happened. The cultural group “was considered a “plausibly deniable” vehicle for these connections “whilst remaining entirely under Kremlin control,” the dossier claimed. ...
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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2017/01/24/alleged-source-of-claims-in-trump-dossier-joined-trip-that-drew-fbi-scrutiny/

 
WSJ: Key Claims in Trump Dossier Said to Come From Head of Russian-US Business Group #1
Some of the most explosive parts of a dossier containing unverified allegations that President Donald Trump had secret ties to Russian leaders originated from the Belarus-born head of a Russian-American business group, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Sergei Millian, a 38-year-old American citizen who has claimed he helped market Trump properties to Russian buyers, wasn’t a direct source for the 35-page dossier, this person said. Rather, his statements about the Trump-Russia relationship were relayed by at least one third party to the British ex-spy who prepared the dossier, the person said.

Among the unverified allegations of Mr. Millian’s that an intermediary passed along, the person said: The claim that the Russians had compromising video of Mr. Trump that could be used to blackmail him, and a claim that there was a “conspiracy of cooperation” between the Trump camp and Russian leadership that involved hacking the computers of Mr. Trump’s Democratic opponents.

Mr. Millian, who posted photos of himself at several VIP events at the Trump inauguration last week, said in an email that the information in the dossier was “fake news (created by sick minds),” and was “an attempt to distract the future president from real work.”

Mr. Millian didn’t respond to a long list of other questions, including whether he was a source for the dossier.

Michael Cohen, a Trump Organization executive vice president who is resigning to become Mr. Trump’s personal attorney, said he was baffled by the idea that Mr. Millian could have been a source for claims in the dossier about events, such as a 2013 Moscow hotel stay, that he had nothing to do with.

Mr. Cohen said “there is not an ounce of truth” to Mr. Millian’s claims to have had a relationship with Mr. Trump or the Trump Organization. Mr. Millian had met Mr. Trump once, at a photo op, Mr. Cohen said.

Mr. Millian may not have realized he was feeding information to anyone acting on behalf of the ex-spy. In the dossier, the source believed to be Mr. Millian is referred to at various times as both Source D and Source E and is cited as somebody “speaking in confidence to a compatriot” or “speaking in confidence to a trusted associate.”

This is a common technique among spies, according to a former CIA case officer, who said “it makes it a lot easier to get your target to open up if they think they are talking to somebody of the same background.”

Secondhand intelligence like that typically would need to be corroborated, said John Sipher, another former CIA official. “You would use that information as a lead, to find other sources who could prove that or not prove that.” Another concern: the target and the intermediary could be colluding to provide false information.

The dossier states that some of the key assertions Mr. Millian made were backed up by other sources, also unnamed.

As for his relationship with Mr. Trump, Mr. Millian early last year told a Russian news agency that he had first met the future president in 2007, at the Moscow Millionaire Fair, after “common acquaintances of ours” arranged Mr. Trump’s trip. Mr. Millian said Mr. Trump then invited him to meet at a Florida racetrack and, later, at Mr. Trump’s New York office “where he introduced me to his right-hand man, Michael Cohen.”

Later, in a 2009 newsletter, Mr. Millian claimed that he had “formal agreements” with the Trump Organization to service the real estate needs of Russian clients.

Mr. Cohen said Mr. Trump didn’t go to Moscow in 2007, and that the Trump Organization never had any agreement with Mr. Millian. He also said he had never met Mr. Millian in person, but instead had exchanged a few emails after Mr. Millian got in touch with him via LinkedIn.

After media reports focused on Mr. Millian last summer as a link between Mr. Trump and Russia, Mr. Millian began distancing himself. There had been “quite negative press related to Russia so I don’t want to be involved,” Mr. Millian told The Daily Beast in September, adding that “I didn’t represent him personally ever” but merely worked on some Trump projects.

Mike Costache, a friend of Mr. Millian who attended inaugural events with him last week, said “there’s a confidentiality clause there. When all this happened, he wasn’t allowed to speak, because he was going to get sued by Trump’s lawyers.”
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Henry Ford said:
AP reporting that Sean Spicer just stated in his press conference that the Trump administration is open to working with Moscow to fight the Islamic State in Syria.
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White House opens door to military cooperation with Moscow, but it would be illegal


The White House indicated Monday that President Trump would be open to military cooperation with Russia to fight Islamic State, a move that would be a big policy change for the U.S. government, and one that would run afoul of current law. 

“I think if there's a way that we can combat ISIS with any country, whether it's Russia or anyone else, and we have a shared national interest in that, sure, we'll take it,” White House spokesman Sean Spicer told reporters, using an acronym for the militant group.

U.S. military cooperation with the Russians would upend the relationship between the two former Cold War adversaries, which have been on the opposite sides in the Syrian conflict since the beginning of Russian military involvement more than a year ago.

But a provision of the National Defense Authorization Act first passed by Congress late in 2014 and renewed since then strictly limits the Pentagon’s ability to work with Russia. The law was passed in response to Moscow’s annexation of Crimea in 2014 and its continued involvement in the Ukrainian civil war.

Talks between the two countries' militaries have been severely limited since Congress passed the law, which prohibits military cooperation until Russia has “ceased its occupation of Ukrainian territory and its aggressive activities that threaten the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine and members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.”  ....
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- Whoops!

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
- Annnnddd on Dec. 26th: an FSB General ( Yerovinkin ) who also was an executive at Rosneft the oil giant with ties to Exxon - also found D.E.A.D.

- Same day as this guy ( Erovinkin ): Igor Sechin's chief of staff at Rosneft, found DEAD..

- And this is all going down in December?

When the IC is issuing its report to Pres. Obama and he was issuing sanctions?

So 1. Stoyanov, 2. Mikhailov, 3. Gerasimov all get arrested/canned (plus 4 & 5 two Rosneft bodies), just when the IC is issuing its classified briefing that tied the Trump campaign to connections to Russian government/intelligence based on gathered leaks (& human and signals sources), some of which was suggested in the Steele dossier, which also might have been getting leaks out of Russia.
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And No. 6, 7, 8, 9... counting....:



 


Reports: Second FSB Agent Arrested; Possible Links To U.S. Election Hacking


Russian media have reported that another Federal Security Service (FSB) officer has been arrested on treason charges in a case that may be linked to cyberattacks targeting the U.S. presidential election campaign.
... On January 26, Rambler News and REN-TV both said a second FSB officer had also been arrested last month, and identified him as Major Dmitry Dokuchayev.

Dokuchayev headed another unit within the Center for Information Security and reportedly served under Mikhailov.
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Novaya Gazeta reported that that -- in addition to Mikhailov, Dokuchayev, and Stoyanov -- two other individuals have been arrested in connection with the investigation, one of them an FSB colleague of Mikhailov’s.

The newspaper cited unidentified sources as saying that Mikhailov is suspected of providing U.S. intelligence with information about King Servers, a hosting service owned by Russian citizen Vladimir Fomenko.

King Servers was used as a platform by hackers who targeted state-election computer systems in Arizona and Illinois last year. Fomenko, who rents space on his servers, has denied any links to the perpetrators of the cyberattacks.

According to Novaya Gazeta, Fomenko rented computer-server space to another Russian entrepreneur named Pavel Vrublevsky, who ran an electronic payment company called Chronopay and in 2013 was convicted of cyberattacks on Russian companies.

Mikhailov reportedly testified in court that he knew Vrublevsky and his talents well.
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roadkill1292 said:
I thought there were some very deep thinkers on this board who thought O was the worst. Or maybe people were only thinking of native born American presidents when they answered the poll.
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In that poll, Obama did worse against Trump (as to who will be the better President) than most.  I mean, he still won against Trump, but still. 

 
A senior Russian intelligence officer and cybersecurity investigator arrested last month on treason charges allegedly was passing information to U.S. intelligence services, according to Russian media outlets.

Sergei Mikhailov, who worked for the FSB, the successor to the KGB, was arrested in December, along with Ruslan Stoyanov, a top manager for Russia's largest cybersecurity firm, according to the economic newspaper Kommersant. Stoyanov was also charged with suspicion of treason.

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In a wilder twist, a pro-Kremlin television network, Tsargrad TV, claimed Mikhailov "patronized and supervised" an "Anonymous International" group called "Humpty Dumpty" that it said hacked the personal email of Russian Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev and other top Russian officials in 2014.

While more far-fetched, it is perhaps noteworthy Tsargrad TV, which even Novaya Gazeta notes is prone to wild conspiracy theories, would publish such a report during the heated debate in the U.S. over Russia's alleged meddling in the U.S. election. The TV station, for example, suggested "Humpty Dumpty" was a CIA operation, and that with Russian presidential elections coming up in 2018 hacked information could serve "goals ... opposed to national interests."
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/26/report-arrested-russian-intel-officer-allegedly-spied-us/97094696/

- Seems like one of Russia's mirror image creations where they project on the west what the west accuses them of.

Still, this definitely sounds like rounding up of those suspected of leaking to Steele and/or the US IC (or intermediaries) in its hacking investigation.

 
Wow, It Gets Bigger


Last night I noted that a top Russian spy who is the number two person in the FSB department which allegedly oversaw the US election hacking operation had been arrested and charged with treason. Was he a sacrificial lamb and olive branch to Trump? A way for Putin to claim that his spy services had perhaps gone rogue? Or was he suspected of being a source to US intelligence? People who fall from grace in Putin's Russia are often dealt with with trumped up criminal prosecutions. But treason is a special charge.

Well, now we have reports that Sergei Mikhailov is suspected of being a US asset at the heart of Russian intelligence.
The report is from The Moscow Times, a respected English language publication. But the report appears to rely on a report in Novaya Gazeta.

From the Moscow Times ...


A top cybersecurity specialist in Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) was arrested on Wednesday reportedly on suspicion of leaking information to the U.S. intelligence community — a bombshell accusation that, if true, would mean Washington had a spy in the heart of Russia’s national defense infrastructure.


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According to the independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta, the FSB believes Sergei Mikhailov tipped off U.S. officials to information about Vladimir Fomenko and his server rental company “King Servers,” which the American cybersecurity company ThreatConnect identified last September as “an information nexus” that was used by hackers suspected of working for Russian state security in cyberattacks.


The article goes on to say that four others have been arrested in connection to the treason case against Mikhailov. It is important to note that even if these are the charges, in a country like Russia, what you're charged with isn't just not necessarily true. It may not even be what the state and prosecutors think is true.

But this immediately poses the question: if Mikhailov was a US asset, how was he compromised? Did the information put out by US intelligence somehow lead to his exposure? Without putting too fine a point on it, a number of close advisors to President Trump are being scrutinized for ties to Russia. Some of them participated in the intelligence briefings the President receives.

Do we have a very big problem?
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cobalt_27 said:
If this theory is true and he can pull it off, Comey not only will be redeemed but he will forever be treasured as a national hero
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Louise Mensch has been crowdsourcing the Steele dossier and it's been pretty interesting. This has got some speculation but also a lot of interesting links and it is the first 'unified' theory I've seen. Food for thought for sure, especially the part about Putinophile moles in the US government.

It's hard to tell what is going on with the recent Russian arrests but one possibility is they have a leak from US Gov as to sources for the IC brief and Steele dossier. If that's too speculative, fine, but the timing of these arrests appears to be around the December briefings to Pres. Obama.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'll go with the latter, or that the Russians are making them an example for allowing it to happen. 

We've blown some assets on Trump one way or the other.
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What makes you think it wasn't Trump, Flynn, et al., who didn't compromise them back as early as December?

 
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cobalt_27 said:
If this theory is true and he can pull it off, Comey not only will be redeemed but he will forever be treasured as a national hero
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There is an interesting exchange with this author and the people behind this account: https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff 

I don't know if this account is real or not, but it is painting a very chilling picture of the POTUS:

Rogue POTUS Staff ‏@RoguePOTUSStaff  Jan 28

After call, #UnholyTrinity do not seem to have had any fears allayed. POTUS behavior during call said to be suspicious. #POTUSindistress

Rogue POTUS Staff ‏@RoguePOTUSStaff  Jan 28

#UnholyTrinity insistence to monitor Putin call was due to concern POTUS hasn't told full story about Putin attempts at blackmail.

:unsure:  

 
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#UnholyTrinity
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This being Pence, Ryan, Preibus.

Slapdash said:
Rogue POTUS Staff ‏@RoguePOTUSStaff
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- Obviously really no telling who this account is.

Slapdash said:
POTUS behavior during call said to be suspicious.
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Slapdash said:
#UnholyTrinity insistence to monitor Putin call
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- I wish we knew when these tweets came out. The final call summary of the one hour call was very short - but regardless had no mention of hacking or sanctions being discussed on the call.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This being Pence, Ryan, Preibus.

- Obviously really no telling who this account is.

- I wish we knew when these tweets came out. The final call summary of the one hour call was very short - but regardless had no mention of hacking or sanctions being discussed on the call.
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It was odd, noticing how many more people were in the Oval Office for that than the other calls of the day (Sean Spicer was Tweeting pictures)

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
- Same day as this guy ( Erovinkin ): Igor Sechin's chief of staff at Rosneft, found DEAD..
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Another article with more information on Erovinkin murder.

- It's been suggested that he was a possible leak for the Steele dossier.


 


Pictured: Former KGB general who helped MI6 spy compile the Donald Trump dirty dossier who has been found dead in the back of his car amid claims of a Kremlin cover up


  • Oleg Erovinkin was found dead on Boxing Day in the back of his black Lexus
  • The morgue in Russia has not reached a conclusion about the cause of death 
  • Local media is claiming foul play was at the centre of him being killed in Moscow
  • It has been claimed Erovinkin is a key source mentioned in the explosive dossier 
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- Just speculating but I wonder if it was possible that Steele was used as a front for publishing MI6/GCHQ concerns and knowledge about Trump without compromising UK government integrity and public impartiality.
 
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Saw this thread back on Page 1 and I assumed it was about Roseneft selling a 19.5% stake to an unnamed party hidden behind a maze of shell corps ... after the Steele Dossier alleged that Putin offered Trump a 19% stake in Roseneft (or maybe the brokerage fees for the transaction?) in exchange for dropping sanctions.

Roseneft's sale to a mystery buyer

Steele dossier on Roseneft offer to Carter Page

Come on, Saints!  This is right up your alley!

 
TobiasFunke said:
Roseneft's sale to a mystery buyer
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...The stake was sold for 10.2 billion euros to a Singapore investment vehicle that Rosneft said was a 50/50 joint venture between Qatar and the Swiss oil trading firm Glencore.

Unveiling the deal at a televised meeting with Rosneft's boss Igor Sechin on Dec. 7, President Vladimir Putin called it a sign of international faith in Russia, despite U.S. and EU financial sanctions on Russian firms including Rosneft.

"It is the largest privatization deal, the largest sale and acquisition in the global oil and gas sector in 2016," Putin said.

It was also one of the biggest transfers of state property into private hands since the early post-Soviet years, when allies of President Boris Yeltsin took control of state firms and became billionaires overnight.

But important facts about the deal either have not been disclosed, cannot be determined solely from public records, or appear to contradict the straightforward official account of the stake being split 50/50 by Glencore and the Qataris.
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- Actually I saw this previously but I didn't know what to make of it.

- And, again, an awful lot going down in December 2016.

- The article above about Erovinkin... that's Sechin's chief of staff and an old Sechin/Putin ally. He's dead now. All of a sudden.

- Unfortunately the old thread had some good info on Sechin, but it's gone now.

- And I will add that I'm pretty sure the Steele dossier mentions Rosneft.

- I'm pretty sure IIRC that it's Rosneft that had the 1/2 trillion dollar deal with Exxon, and again we are on the brink of sanctions maybe being lifted if they can get away with it. You've got Rosneft on the brink of a huge get in the Arctic and.... they sell 20% of their ownership to firms in Singapore and Switzerland, two places notorious for hiding ownership.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
- Actually I saw this previously but I didn't know what to make of it.

- And, again, an awful lot going down in December 2016.

- The article above about Erovinkin... that's Sechin's chief of staff and an old Sechin/Putin ally. He's dead now. All of a sudden.

- Unfortunately the old thread had some good info on Sechin, but it's gone now.

- And I will add that I'm pretty sure the Steele dossier mentions Rosneft.

- I'm pretty sure IIRC that it's Rosneft that had the 1/2 trillion dollar deal with Exxon, and again we are on the brink of sanctions maybe being lifted if they can get away with it. You've got Rosneft on the brink of a huge get in the Arctic and.... they sell 20% of their ownership to firms in Singapore and Switzerland, two places notorious for hiding ownership.
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For all the justified fury about Trump's other awfulness over the last week, I think something like this is actually how he ends up going down, if he does go down. Trump can back down from policy moves if Congress grows a spine and threatens impeachment because of any of them, so there's an out available to him there. But if an investigative journalist is able to establish that someone on his team accepted money from a  foreign government in exchange for a promise of favorable treatment?  You can't un-accept bribes.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
- Actually I saw this previously but I didn't know what to make of it.

- And, again, an awful lot going down in December 2016.

- The article above about Erovinkin... that's Sechin's chief of staff and an old Sechin/Putin ally. He's dead now. All of a sudden.

- Unfortunately the old thread had some good info on Sechin, but it's gone now.

- And I will add that I'm pretty sure the Steele dossier mentions Rosneft.

- I'm pretty sure IIRC that it's Rosneft that had the 1/2 trillion dollar deal with Exxon, and again we are on the brink of sanctions maybe being lifted if they can get away with it. You've got Rosneft on the brink of a huge get in the Arctic and.... they sell 20% of their ownership to firms in Singapore and Switzerland, two places notorious for hiding ownership.
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FWIW...the Glencore-Qatar "purchase" (most of it was financed by one of Putin's banks) seems more or less legit (for a Russian deal).  Granted Glencore only put up 300 million, but they are a real company.  I guess the Qatari part could be all smoke in mirrors (much like 8 billion of 11 billion in "financing" for the deal), but the Glencore part certainly seems "legit" (i.e it's not a front for something else).

 
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