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Dynasty & Redraft: RB Saquon Barkley, N.Y. Giants

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14 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

Its ok to say what is taboo.

Football players only matter if they are putting of fantasy points. I will not care about any NFL player personally or if their team wins if they are not my favorite team. I'm a bad person, I get it. But I only care about Barkley if he puts up points. He doesnt put up points I say things like, why does he have any sponsorship's and why did the Giants waste a draft pick on a RB early? If Peterson beat his kid with a switch again, would they care as much now as it did when it happened? No, because he doesnt matter to fantasy. But then, you had people defending Peterson so they can have his stats. Fantasy football is what matters, not the player...the points matter. Now some will disagree, but I say what others never have the gall to say. Cuz I am not here to win moral points, just SBs. Perhaps thats why Im so triggered, bout to miss my first playoffs in over 10 years cuz guys who you cant bench because their name is Barkley has cost me with their suckitude. lol

I dont have the sunday ticket so I can watch that sweet Jax vs Ten game today, I have it to see if LFournette can get his 2nd TD in week 12. Points, not names and teams. 

Who is they? The NFL? The NFL doesnt care about fantasy. You mean fantasy owners? Then sure they would care. Walton got a bunch of posts after his latest incident. To your point, it wasnt pages and pages of debate like Tyreek Hill was, because Walton isnt a star. If that's what you mean, then I agree.

To the second bolded... :ptts:

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12 minutes ago, IROK said:

Who is they? The NFL? The NFL doesnt care about fantasy. You mean fantasy owners? Then sure they would care. Walton got a bunch of posts after his latest incident. To your point, it wasnt pages and pages of debate like Tyreek Hill was, because Walton isnt a star. If that's what you mean, then I agree.

To the second bolded... :ptts:

"They" are Peterson owners at the time. The NFL does care about fantasy, to think they dont with everything they have done to cater to fantasy is mind boggling. People subscribe fto the ticket for fantasy, very few subscribe to watch their favorite team as its always on locally. Walton stinks, you caught my point as it was and you said you agree, so need to go on there. I kinda pointed "the point to me" out when I, myself, said Im triggered. lol 

I dont want to knock thread of rail anymore, but Barkley needs to perform better, if he doesnt, he is just becoming another scrub fantasy player regardless of talent. The big problem is the coach not giving him the ball, but that all goes into fantasy impact.

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1 minute ago, tackle for loss said:

"They" are Peterson owners at the time. The NFL does care about fantasy, to think they dont with everything they have done to cater to fantasy is mind boggling. People subscribe fto the ticket for fantasy, very few subscribe to watch their favorite team as its always on locally. Walton stinks, you caught my point as it was and you said you agree, so need to go on there. I kinda pointed "the point to me" out when I, myself, said Im triggered. lol 

I'd say the NFL doesn't care about fantasy when it comes to player issues, such as AP beating his child. At that point they only care about their brand/image. It seems we are on the same page in general

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7 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

No longer a fantasy asset. He has some value in dyno, but if he is on this team for the next 3 years, I dont know how much that can be worth. 

Such a dumb comment. 

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18 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Such a dumb comment. 

31 Rush yards, after a week he had 1 rush yard. 8 points last week, 3 right now. 

Whats the worth? Vita Vea currently has more points. I understand the love of his talent, but his fantasy worth? Nonexiistant. 

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5 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

31 Rush yards, after a week he had 1 rush yard. 8 points last week, 3 right now. 

Whats the worth? Vita Vea currently has more points. I understand the love of his talent, but his fantasy worth? Nonexiistant. 

If you can complete the dynasty value of a player in 2 weeks you are good.  Players can have bad weeks.  You are way off on your assessment. 

To make the point.  Would you trade Vita Vea for Barkley? The answer is no.

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34 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

No longer a fantasy asset. He has some value in dyno, but if he is on this team for the next 3 years, I dont know how much that can be worth. 

 

30 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Such a dumb comment. 

Actually it's not. He isn't startable at this point.  Danny dummy doesn't know he has a good check down.

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26 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

31 Rush yards, after a week he had 1 rush yard. 8 points last week, 3 right now. 

Whats the worth? Vita Vea currently has more points. I understand the love of his talent, but his fantasy worth? Nonexiistant. 

 

15 minutes ago, irish eyes said:

 

Actually it's not. He isn't startable at this point.  Danny dummy doesn't know he has a good check down.

I was referring to the comment about him having "some value in dyno". Which is an lol comment.

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38 minutes ago, Yenrub said:

Giants wasting his career. His next catch on an arrow route will probably be his 1st

This, he will be a Giant next year.

People making excuses as if he is even talented at this point just love names. Talent would have popped a run on his own. Im sick of hearing people mock those who have hot takes about big names when the hot take is right.

If you start him next week, you deserve what you get. 

3 total TDs from him this year, Gallman had 2 in one game and had more than any game Barkley had, in the one...ONE, game he started.. 

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40 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

This, he will be a Giant next year.

People making excuses as if he is even talented at this point just love names. Talent would have popped a run on his own. Im sick of hearing people mock those who have hot takes about big names when the hot take is right.

If you start him next week, you deserve what you get. 

3 total TDs from him this year, Gallman had 2 in one game and had more than any game Barkley had, in the one...ONE, game he started.. 

Wait, you’re saying he’s NOT talented? Barkley is a beast and having a bad season for a ton of reasons. Lack pf talent is not one of those reasons. 

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He is in the worst situation possible.  Coach is terrible, QB is terrible,  play calling terrible.  Everyone that said eli manning was bad last year, here you go giants fans. What a disaster 

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Saquon Barkley compiled 59 yards on 17 carries along with two catches for one yard on three targets Sunday in New York’s Week 12 loss to the Bears.

It was another down week for Barkley, who hasn't been himself since returning from a high-ankle sprain. Saquon did break off a 22-yard gallop late to salvage his afternoon (why the Giants were looking to establish the run down 12 with six minutes to go is beyond us), but was mostly held in check by the Bears, who limited the reigning Rookie of the Year to just 31 yards on 12 carries in the first half (2.6 yards per attempt). Usually an adept pass-catcher, Barkley killed a Giants first-quarter drive with an ugly drop on third-and-three. Clearly hobbled, Barkley has limped to an anemic 2.0 yards per carry over his last three outings. We'll see if Barkley can turns things around next week against Green Bay.

 

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26 minutes ago, irish eyes said:

He is in the worst situation possible.  Coach is terrible, QB is terrible,  play calling terrible.  Everyone that said eli manning was bad last year, here you go giants fans. What a disaster 

Blame them all you want the biggest reason for his poor performance is he lacks any explosiveness mostly due to the injury. 

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What would you consider his starting value going forward?
 

Play Ekeler?  Is he even a flex play?  Looks like the opposing D knows that they just need to stop him and they will win.  When the Giants do score it looks lucky at best with Barkley just not a factor.  Not that I’m watching close 

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29 minutes ago, infantsam said:

What would you consider his starting value going forward?
 

Play Ekeler?  Is he even a flex play?  Looks like the opposing D knows that they just need to stop him and they will win.  When the Giants do score it looks lucky at best with Barkley just not a factor.  Not that I’m watching close 

I would absolutely play Ekeler over Barkley at this point, no question. 

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I never would have imagined at the beginning of this year that my dynasty team has to be imploded & start from scratch. Barkley garbage,  davante garbage, juju garbage,  goff (already knew he was garbage), kupp going in the tank because of a horrible qb. Oof

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3 hours ago, togo said:

Definitely in the running for one of the Busts of the Year now.

Hold David Johnson’s beer. 

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Praying I get a playoff bye. It's a miracle I'm even in this position understanding Barkley's performance.

In week's 15 and 16, the NYG get MIA and @WASH respectively. He'll perform there.

And for those owners who haven't done so already, there is a great need to grab Gallman to lock up that production those two weeks in the case where Barkley is indeed shut down.

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18 hours ago, tackle for loss said:

This, he will be a Giant next year.

Things move quickly in the NFL - next year the Giants will probably have a new coaching staff and Jones will be a bit more seasoned and probably not take off running every time he sees pressure. He'll learn to dump it off to a guy like Barkley and watch him gain yards.

Also Barkley rushed back from a high ankle sprain and that has sapped some/most of his explosiveness. He hasn't looked the same since he's come back.

Anyone writing off his dynasty value is being shortsighted. This is the same guy that looked like a beast last season and early this season - situations can change for the better and for the worse, it's hard to imagine Barkley being in a worse situation next season. 

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On 11/24/2019 at 5:39 PM, togo said:

Definitely in the running for one of the Busts of the Year now.

 

On 11/24/2019 at 9:28 PM, Otis said:

Hold David Johnson’s beer. 

 

14 hours ago, tackle for loss said:

DJ has more points than Barkley, and he missed games too. 

From week 13 forward is all that matters now. I prefer Barkley by a long shot over DJ. I mean anything can happen between these two first round re-drafters. One or both or neither could end up kicking it in if they recover from nagging injuries?

Just to be safe I'm going to add Gallman back to my bench in lieu of a second D/ST. Gonna roll with BAL D hosting SF in a very anticipated game of the week. Thought about going one more week with a second D with CAR, PHI, NYJ, GB all available. BAL D probably going to be a top 10 D this week rankings wise. Yet, I gotta go with Gallman as the Giants match ups coming down the stretch are attractive. There's always the possibility that Giants brass save their star from wear n' tear down the stretch.

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This is painful to watch...... Ok yardage today but the lack of TD’s is just a killer.

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8 minutes ago, Kwai Chang Caine said:

Haven’t been here in a while. Are people still arguing Barkley better than Henry? 

I cant imagine why anyone would say that. I will not be starting Barkley anymore.  Danny dummy, I mean dimes never throws it to him. And he certainly isn't getting any meaningful rushing yards. Done 

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Saquon Barkley rushed 19 times for 83 yards in the Giants' Week 13 loss to the Packers, adding three receptions for 32 additional yards.

Barkley showed off some juice on his 27-yard reception with the Giants in comeback mode during the fourth quarter. He also flashed some of his patented tackle-breaking ability on a nifty 16-yard run over left end that left multiple defenders grasping for air. Still, Barkley hasn’t found the end zone since Week 8, as the Giants continue to function as a below-average offense more weeks than not. The production hasn’t been there recently, but continue to treat Barkley as a RB1 ahead of next week’s tough matchup in Philadelphia.

 

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Well, my guess is, many who owned this pile of rubbish this year did not make the playoffs.

But on the slim chance that those who owned him did, are you playing him this week and if not, who you benching him for?

I'm rolling Miles Sanders over him if it appears Howard is out again. 

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I should be starting James White vs KC over him this week but likely can’t make myself do it.  

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If Barkley and Kamara would just progress into their mean from here on out.

Little bit more confidence in Alvin over Saquon. 

Danny Dimes outta drop a few passes off to Saquon in space please.

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3 minutes ago, Team Smokin' said:

If Barkley and Kamara would just progress into their mean from here on out.

Little bit more confidence in Alvin over Saquon. 

Danny Dimes outta drop a few passes off to Saquon in space please.

Danny in a boot, if Eli plays, he will drop 10 to barkley and throw to him more no doubt. Eli wants to look good if he plays and he knows saquan can do that. He isnt an arrogant rook trying to make something happen where its impossible.

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21 minutes ago, Team Smokin' said:

If Barkley and Kamara would just progress into their mean from here on out.

Little bit more confidence in Alvin over Saquon. 

Danny Dimes outta drop a few passes off to Saquon in space please.

 

17 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

Danny in a boot, if Eli plays, he will drop 10 to barkley and throw to him more no doubt. Eli wants to look good if he plays and he knows saquan can do that. He isnt an arrogant rook trying to make something happen where its impossible.

WHAT, Eli may play? That was my logic / experts for missing short dump off passes in the first place. I follow this stuff everyday, first to hear that Dimes is in a boot. WOW!

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Oooh.

I would just love to see Eli catch some lightning in a bottle here down the stretch. He sure as hell knows the PHI D...getting weapons back.

Maybe if they're competitive vs. the Eagles management decides to mothball D. Jones for the year and Eli, Barkley, and the rest of the offense roll through some easy matchups.

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4 hours ago, kyoun1e said:

Oooh.

I would just love to see Eli catch some lightning in a bottle here down the stretch. He sure as hell knows the PHI D...getting weapons back.

Maybe if they're competitive vs. the Eagles management decides to mothball D. Jones for the year and Eli, Barkley, and the rest of the offense roll through some easy matchups.

Barkley rushed for 100 yards each time he has played the Eagles. He also caught 9 catches for 99 yards in one and 7 for 41 in another with 3 total TDs. 

If he bounces back this week in a big way, all will be forgotten from me. If he stinks it up he goes on that personal black list we all have. 

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I only see snippets - but watching Barkely not get targeted well in the passing game is bAD.

Even a glance in Barkely's direction will move safety's and LB's  - especially if he has a clean release and is 1-1 with the LB.  Meanwhile Danny dime seems to stare downfield and throw bounce passes

 

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Daniel Jones officially ruled out week 15.

Eli is in.

Does this actually give a bump up for Saquon??

I thinks so because when Eli was starting he threw a ton Barkley's way.

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On 12/4/2019 at 9:55 AM, tackle for loss said:

Well, my guess is, many who owned this pile of rubbish this year did not make the playoffs.

But on the slim chance that those who owned him did, are you playing him this week and if not, who you benching him for?

I'm rolling Miles Sanders over him if it appears Howard is out again. 

Starting with confidence. Thinking with Eli we’ll see more touches and better overall production. 

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2 hours ago, togo said:

Daniel Jones officially ruled out week 15.

Eli is in.

Does this actually give a bump up for Saquon??

I thinks so because when Eli was starting he threw a ton Barkley's way.

Agreed.  This could be the change that was needed here. 

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11 hours ago, togo said:

Daniel Jones officially ruled out week 15.

Eli is in.

Does this actually give a bump up for Saquon??

I thinks so because when Eli was starting he threw a ton Barkley's way.

Well, Barkley did have b2b 100 yard games to start the season like the player he should be with eli and as always with a rookie scrub QB, yes thats what this Jones kid is, he starts his decline. Barkley isnt even blaming his injury, so I wont. Especially after seeing how bad this Jones kid was. 

Rookie or not, he should know better for his own survival the best thing for him to do was put it in Saquan hands often, instead he threw at WRs ankles 20 yards down the field. Thats a low IQ QB and nothing anyone will say will convince me that this Jones kid is gonna be good. He just doesnt have it mentally, Eli isnt that much better anymore, but for Barkleys sake. He knows to just dump it to him instead of trying to throw to some dude named slayton. 

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