Boone22
Footballguy
Not sure how true this will turn out to be but predraft for both of them I heard....
Curtis Samuel could end up being Steve Smith
D.J. Moore is a better(?) version of Golden Tate
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WR Curtis Samuel, BUF (2 Viewers)
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Curtis Samuel could end up being Steve Smith
D.J. Moore is a better(?) version of Golden Tate
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
DJ Moore is actually the one who reminds me of Steve Smith a lot.
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
Transitioning from RB, this kid is still learning the position. If his playing time keeps going up, he is going to be great. He's a playmaker. With Cam, CMC, Moore, Samuel, Olsen on the field, the CAR offense has the potential to be incredibly electric. They're getting better as the season goes on and the young WR's get more playing time.
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
Way higher upside, imo. If Funchess is sitting on your bench then absolutely worth a swing-for-the-fence upside stash for the end of the season.robb said:
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Who is the Carolina Panthers’ No. 1 receiver in 2019? Everyone, and no one. Here’s why (Charlotte Observer - Autoplay video)
cloppbeast
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Very possible. Moore has some high potential upside, but a lot of it relative to Samuel seems to be based on his 1st round draft pedigree and little else.
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Elevencents
Footballguy
Absolutely looking to grab this guy around the 10th. Severely undervalued. I think Cam bounces back this year now that he is healthy.
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Let's just keep the hype on simmer until after we can draft him to all of our teams
Zyphros
Footballguy
Everyone assumes DJ Moore will breakout, Greg Olsen and Ian Thomas make a great pair of TE's, along with McCaffrey. Add in Samuel who was really good last year from a football standpoint and only growing into what he's about to blow up as. Why aren't people talking up the Carolina offense in general? Cam could have another MVP year if he's healthy. Could end up being one of the top 5 offenses in all of football.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Cam essentially is a guaranteed top 5 QB if healthy. I don’t think he has fallen outside of it. Ever.
I’m really not a fan of him but if he’s still around when I’m looking QB I will take him without hesitation.
Edit: double checked - top 4 or better every healthy year
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Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
As of today, I would take him over any of the rookie WR. Most of the big name rookies have been underwhelming. If I were in complete rebuild I might go with Harry or Metcalf or something, but I prefer the known in what we are seeing in Samuel.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What have we seen from Samuel? Him getting open against defenders going half speed who can't hit yet?
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
No, the one that scored 7 total TD's with limited time with the #1 s last year and scorching up defenders in camp at half speed. I just prefer that to the rookies.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Interesting. I was offered Samuel and a 3rd for my AJ Brown. Brown was my wr1 pre nfl draft and my wr4 post NFL draft. I like him a lot.
I declined.
Samuel is 4th on his team in targets. The games that Samuel did very well were the games Cam Newyon was having trouble with his shoulder, so he had to throw those short passes.
Everyone is high on DJ Moore, and Samuel is getting out of control hype too. Where are these targets going to come from?
Its conceivable that Samuel did well to end the season because they had to design the offense that way due to Cams shoulder.
Its conceivable that DJ Moore is a bust and Samuel becomes the #1, or Samuel takes targets from Olsen.
What's inconceivable to me is that DJ Moore, and Samuel, and Olsen/Thomas, and CMC are going to be massively productive in the passing game. Something has to give
ETA: I understand Funchess left 79 targets, however I expect DJ Moore to be the focal point of that offense. <100 targets for Moore would be ridiculous.
I would imagine Samuel has about 80-90 targets this year. I dont think that equates to the hype he is receiving. Hes a great wr4, maybe a decent enough wr3. The top of this rookie draft has 3 or 4 wrs who can be wr1s on their teams.
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Genius1223
Footballguy
Is this really true?
Curtis Samuel: 402 air yards (6.2p/tgt)
DJ Moore: 382 air yards (4.7p/tgt)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFpI2CZj7c8
Shows highlights game by game in chronological order. Sure seems like he was catching the ball downfield.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
would he be worth a high 2020 2nd? like pretty much guaranteed 2.1?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Depends on team WR depth in my opinion. If Samuel is viewed as that Teams #3 WR, not sure it would do it.
My team is very strong at WR. As a Samuel and DJ owner, I would probably take the 2.1 but only because the 2020 draft class projects so strongly.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
It really feels to me that Olsen is the odd man out here. Even if he stays healthy, I see his targets dropping off.Dr. Dan said:
Birdie048
Footballguy
I think Cam has the comfort with Olsen over WR's just from history. I think Olsen value is reduced if they run significant 2 TE sets. Blocking primary tasks?
IF I was buying, It would take a 1st to get him from me....even a late 1st would do it.Dr. Dan said:
FWIW, I offered C Samuel & 2020 (mid?) 1st for Calvin Ridley without success.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Due to injuries Olsen has seen less than 40 targets each of the past two years. Its been a while since Olsen has been Cam's go to guy. CMC has usurped that role.
Genius1223
Footballguy
Air Yards is Rec Yards-Yards After Catch. Divide that number by number of targets.Dr. Dan said:
Perhaps a better metric would've been average target distance?
Curtis Samuel: 12.4 average target distance (#40 in NFL)
DJ Moore: 9.1 average target distance (#86 in NFL)
Not saying Curtis Samuel is better than DJ Moore. Just pointing out how he actually was a downfield receiver (not just screens and gadget plays) and not just catching short throws from an injured shoulder having Cam Newton. Even more of a downfield receiver than Moore in fact.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
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Impossible to find anything negative on Curtis Samuel. Even #Bills beat writers called Samuel's "footwork a treat to watch" in joint practices with BUF this week. Samuel has routinely dusted CBs Tre'Davious White & Levi Wallace over the last couple days:
Impossible to find anything negative on Curtis Samuel. Even #Bills beat writers called Samuel's "footwork a treat to watch" in joint practices with BUF this week. Samuel has routinely dusted CBs Tre'Davious White & Levi Wallace over the last couple days:
Interseptopus
Footballguy
hes over valued.
4th or 3rd at best option on the team. People acting as if hes going to be a wr2 with wr1 upside. I dont buy it. sure it could happen but that would be at the expense of DJ Moore
Deamon
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I'm seeing him going around the 7/8 turn and WR36-40. He's going right about Christian Kirk range.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
see, I'd rather have Kirk. Kirk could be wr1 and top target getter on his team as early as this year. I dont see Curtis ever achieving that status.
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
I'm going with the guy who's QB made Ted Ginn a WR2 out of no where as opposed to the guy with a rookie QB. I also learned a long time ago never to bet against Fitz.
