DocHolliday
Footballguy
He's getting targets but Cam is off.DocHolliday said:
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WR Curtis Samuel, BUF (1 Viewer)
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GoBirds
Footballguy
He's interesting for sure, not sure where to rank him over options of grabbing an AJ Brown type lottery ticket.
dipandglide
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
If Cam gains some aptitude, CSam can be a monster.
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Penguin
Footballguy
Play calling was atrocious, execution was atrocious, Cam was bad. TB took CMC out of the running game and forced Cam to beat them, which worked out.
My point is Samuel had a real nice game that should have been much better, no fault of his. Same with DJ Moore.Who knows if Cam is the QB ion a year or two or there is a better option slinging the ball.
Bottom line is Samuel should not be a drop
I've seen a lot of Panthers games, this is among the worst I've seen in terms of Cam and the play-calling too. Tampa Run D is legit.
I'm fine with CMC and Samuel on my teams.
After the second week in a row of seeing it, I’m definitely believing it. Cam looks horrendous.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The TB D looks legit all over or it may be that the Carolina Oline is really bad. CMC had no room to run and Cam was pressured on just about every drop back. I'm holding Samuels even though there are some interesting WRs on the wire such as Metcalf and AJ Brown. Who is Cams backup? Any chance Carolina makes a switch in a few weeks if Cam continues to miss the broad side of a barn?
KingPrawn
Footballguy
That depends on the league. In redrafts, unless the Panthers make a change at QB (or Cam gets miracuosly healthy) the off target throws are going to continue.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
13 targets is huge. I will likely sell Samuel after this week if I can get decent value. The OL protections theoretically can be fixed. The playcalling can improve. But Cam does not look good at all. He shows no pocket presence and used to be elusive and hard to bring down. He goes down as soon as he is touched it seems and his passes are just not accurate. I think best case scenario would be hoping for a sliver of the improvement Andrew Luck showed last year. Luck got off to a slow start, people said he was washed up but finished with a great year. It's still only 2 games, but I am concerned about Cam.
Cam is not right physically. I believe it is his foot injury not allowing him to be the explosive runner that opens up the rest of his game. His throwing is not great (never has been great) but a foot injury can affect that as well. Until he is right physically there will be issues.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Last week Samuel worked as the #1 WR, even with a completely healthy DJ Moore. This season he has secured along with McCaffery the largest target share on the team at 23.3%. He didn't do much last week, just 3 catches on 7 targets for 32 yards. He's going to have another tougher matchup this week against JAX.
I'm hoping he can have a breakout very soon to secure that top WR spot. If he has a couple meh weeks at #1 they could go back to Moore.
I'm hoping he can have a breakout very soon to secure that top WR spot. If he has a couple meh weeks at #1 they could go back to Moore.
Feels like Moore was more of a Newton guy. Since Allen has come in, Moore has been an afterthought, with 7 targets in 2 games, compared to 7 per week for Samuel. I think Samuel is the pretty clear #1 WR there, with the caveat, that everything in that offense runs through CMC first.
Samuel is near the top of the air yards list, as well as the average depth of target list. He's basically NFC Will Fuller, the huge game is coming, just a matter of when.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Cooper-Bye
Kupp-WR1
Golden Tate-WR2
Kenny Stills-WR3
Corey Davis-Flex
Curtis Samuel-Bench, Mel Gordon-Bench(likely)
Not sure that helps you but I'm trying to give some perspective that unless you have to I would not roll him out there. Low scoring football game IMO. Other options than Goedert? WW?
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Yeah, not even giving him the start a thought.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
supposed to be bad weather in this game, not sure I'd roll with any WRs from either side.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He's gotta produce more on his targets or he will ultimately see less of them or he simply will be an under performer, either way those are not good long term.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
In redraft? Possibly. Once Olsen retires I think he has a great shot. I think the franchise is really going to focus on Moore and Samuel as their future in the pass game.
The Frankman
Footballguy
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The Frankman
Footballguy
... ok.
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The Frankman
Footballguy
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The Frankman
Footballguy
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Pwingles
Footballguy
So, assuming there is any traction to the rumors of the Panthers trying to move him, what spots would you see as ideal?
Having a hard time thinking of great fantasy fits for him.
Philly is maybe the most likely fit for fantasy and real life football.
Az maybe to be the will fuller role to Hop?
LV maybe, havent checked, but i feel like Carrs deep throw number were ok, might be way off tho (* I checked, they were not great)
Jets have a need assuming they dont fill this role in the draft, hate it for FF tho
Other thoughts?
Having a hard time thinking of great fantasy fits for him.
Philly is maybe the most likely fit for fantasy and real life football.
Az maybe to be the will fuller role to Hop?
LV maybe, havent checked, but i feel like Carrs deep throw number were ok, might be way off tho (* I checked, they were not great)
Jets have a need assuming they dont fill this role in the draft, hate it for FF tho
Other thoughts?
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zamboni
Footballguy
I don’t think they move him unless they get blown away with an offer. He’s on a cheap rookie contract and provides value to the team even if the numbers don’t fully bear it out.
pantherclub
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
No idea. If we only got a 5th for Dunbar, I'd say a 5th
Plus we gave them a 5th for Kyle Allen 
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
If I were in the market for a WR I'd much rather draft one in the third(this year at least) and pay him on his rookie contract for the next several years than take on Samuel in a contract year. When you consider he was taken early in the 2nd round he has been a bit of a disappointment overall.pantherclub said:
On the other hand he'll only turn 24 before the season begins and he has been trending up in overall production. If the new coaching staff wasn't interested in keeping him around AND Samuel was willing to sign a reasonable extension in reaction to getting pushed down the depth chart I could see making a deal for him but it wouldn't be for a 3rd rounder.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
think he will find a way onto a ton of my teams next year at his price.....which may actually be getting lower....even with the Anderson signing, I like Samuel's game and the way I see it fitting with Bridgewater.....seems like most see the fantasy arrow pointing down in CAR, but I like their weapons and think Teddy has the skill set to take advantage....feel there were a lot of fantasy points left on the field last year for Samuel that Teddy might be able to activate....although I would have felt better with no Anderson....(although I think Anderson is a little overrated overall as a WR and capitalized on a slim FA WR market as far as his value this offseason)...
az_prof
Footballguy
But you don't spend 10 million on a receiver to have him sit on the bench behind a player like Samuel. Samuel is going to be the third WR in that offense so unless he gets traded I don't see how he can be very valuable. Even Anderson as the second WR and third option behind McCaffrey and DJ is not probably going to get enough targets to be worth more than a WR4 in fantasy IMO.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
Fair enough....I’m not sure who is X, Y, and Z, etc......I guess in my mind whoever mans the slot with Teddy will be ok....and I’m thinking that may be Samuel...?
Good question - there's so much WR talent flooding in to the league now that it's impacting (negatively) WR fantasy value. I just think he's young, has draft capital, has shown something on the field already...there might be a handful of teams out there who would feature him more than the Panthers have to date.
Having said that, I do think the new coaching staff has the potential to provide a real boost to this offense and it's possible that the outlook for Samuel even this season is better than it appears. Impossible to tell at this stage.
