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RB Matt Breida - Giants RB (1 Viewer)
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Tom Pelissero✔@TomPelissero
#49ers RB Matt Breida’s MRI showed no structural damage in the shoulder he injured Thursday and the team is hopeful he can rest and be ready for Week 1, per @RapSheet and me. Could practice soon with no contact. Appears they dodged a bullet.
2:02 PM - Aug 10, 2018
#49ers RB Matt Breida’s MRI showed no structural damage in the shoulder he injured Thursday and the team is hopeful he can rest and be ready for Week 1, per @RapSheet and me. Could practice soon with no contact. Appears they dodged a bullet.
2:02 PM - Aug 10, 2018
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I have only one question, why was his catch rate so low last year (56%)? He caught 18 of 32 targets and I mean for someone whose main value as McKinnon's back-up supposedly comes in the passing game how come his catch rate was so poor? I'm going to have to go back and watch his targets.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Yeah, I found the answer after a quick gander at his incompletions from last year - he's not even remotely a natural pass catcher. He was tied with Howard and Gordon with the 2nd most drops amongst RBs with 5. Hyde lead the league with 6 but Hyde saw 88 targets and we already know he doesn't excel at pass catching. I don't know why I hadn't noticed this before.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Morris on first and second down, Breida on third down is my initial guess.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Elevencents
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
As msudaisy pointed out in another thread -- and I'm taking some liberties here -- it'll probably be Shanahan hot hand theory.
rockaction
Footballguy
Pretty much, one would guess, but I remember the way the younger Shanahan handled running backs when they were comparable and it was "hot hand."
Weebs210
Footballguy
They aren't comparable at all. Brieda is small and can't catch. Morris is gonna beast.
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rockaction
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Breida can’t catch, and you’re using that to pimp Morris? I mean Morris is one of the worst in recent memory. Career high of 17 and next highest is 11. Breida will outscore him in ppr easily.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
You are very lucky if you already have Breida.
He had already earned a major split as 1a and 1b before this.
He had already earned a major split as 1a and 1b before this.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Right? Not quite sure I understand.
I think a lot of people are commenting based on who they have and not objectively. I have shares of both but doubt either will see the field.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Breida ran under 4.4. Morris ran under 4.7 and he may be even slower now. I own both and hope one guy emerges as a stud but i'd prefer if it was breida because he stretches the defense so much more both laterally and vertically.
Al O'Pecia
Footballguy
I'm not sure if this Bay area sports reporter has a source within the Niners feeding him this info, but this is what Pro Football Talk has up:
Alfred Morris expected to start if Jerick McKinnon is out
If McKinnon is out, Morris is the likely starter, Matt Maiocco of NBC Sports Bay Area reports.
LINK
Alfred Morris expected to start if Jerick McKinnon is out
If McKinnon is out, Morris is the likely starter, Matt Maiocco of NBC Sports Bay Area reports.
LINK
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I have shares of neither but a majority of my drafts are next week so I'm trying my best to gauge the situation.
Either way I decided to record and upload a video of what I believe were all of his drops from last year (although there is still one clip missing). Mind you this doesn't include targets in which I believe he adjusted poorly or didn't attack while in the air.
Also the quality is kind of ####, sorry. But I think you'll still get the idea.
Either way I decided to record and upload a video of what I believe were all of his drops from last year (although there is still one clip missing). Mind you this doesn't include targets in which I believe he adjusted poorly or didn't attack while in the air.
Also the quality is kind of ####, sorry. But I think you'll still get the idea.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I disagree with the premise, as some of those passes are darts from 10 feet away.
But gave you a like for the effort, appreciate you taking the time on it.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
He averaged 15 carries in college as RB. McKinnon 18, but as an option QB.
He is actually VERY SIMILAR to what McKinnon already was in his height/weight/measurables. Even went to the same college.
“I’m 200 (pounds) now,” Breida said when he interjected the reporter. And he is at 5'9". Same height and only 5 pounds off of Jerick.
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Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Meanwhile, Morris is renowned in his pass catching ability.
College isn’t the NFL, and the Sun Belt conference definitely isn’t the NFL.
NFL.com & 49ers.com both list him at 190. Give him the 10 lbs if you want, he’d still be undersized for an NFL RB. Doesn’t mean he can’t do it, but it’d be outside the norm.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
It'll be interesting to know how and see what the footballguys do in filling in the new projections for Breida and Morris. So far nothing...
If someone says ”Breida can’t catch well, Juszczyk might get more catches;” sarcastically saying “Morris is renowned for his pass catching ability” isn’t a logical response.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Breida goes from splitting time with an all-purpose back to splitting time with a plodding back who can't catch anything. Even if Breida isn't a true feature back, this absolutely increases his value a great deal in PPR formats. Morris is almost 30 now and isn't talented enough to run away with anything, and Breida was always unlikely to be a 25 touch guy anyways.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
actually they did in their rest of year stuff - go to the player page for Morris for example and you'll see updated numbers from 2 of the 4 FBGs.
-QG
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I didn't get the counterpoint both times it was raised. That's sort of a red herring in the end.
Elevencents
Footballguy
I don’t care what the interwebz says, there is no way McKinnon is 15lbs heavier than Breida.
You can kept saying they are the same size, but NFL.com & 49ers.com both disagree with you.Him and McKinnon went to the same school. Same size.
Both show McKinnon being an inch shorter & 15 lbs heavier; definitely not the same size.And the fact that they both went to a college that faced inferior competition isn’t a plus for Breida.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Yeah, you keep running with that.You can kept saying they are the same size, but NFL.com & 49ers.com both disagree with you.
And the fact that they both went to a college that faced inferior competition isn’t a plus for Breida.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I did find the year long update on Morris, not on Breida yet. Then they'll prolly follow up with week 1 projections. Morris 12 carries / 55 yards, 2 receptions / 12 yards .4 TD. Ummm Breida 10 carries / 44 yards, 3 receptions / 24 yards .5 TD.
Elevencents
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Hell we can see his combine height measurement at 5.9.02 And McKinnon at 5.8.07
Even at the combine Breida is weighed in at 195.
Even at the combine Breida is weighed in at 195.
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So you’re saying nfl teams “add” height to players sometimes, to make them seem bigger?
Why, do you think they would deduct weight to make him seem smaller?
OK, give Breida 10 lbs if you want. How many NFL RBs (that handle a significant amount of carries) are 200 lbs?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
No, the combine is EXACTING. The web pages are ran by web/IT guys.
5'9" and 195 at the combine. And he said he added 5 more pounds this offseason at age 23.
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Oh, OK. BTW, where’d you get that combine height for Breida? Quick google search shows he didn’t get invited. So the EXACTING combine measurement was obtained how, exactly?
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Elevencents
Footballguy
Like I said, I’m not arguing anything as far as to how much Breida can handle, I’m simply stating that from all appearances Breida looks physically similar to McKinnon so I see no reason they cannot be interchangeable in their expected roles. That’s all.
Fair enough. I drafted Morris last week because I didn’t see McKinnon being successful as a “between the tackles” RB & thought Alf could fill that role. Breida being smaller reinforces that belief. That’s all.
Elevencents
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Just based on 2017 numbers, Factoring out Hyde and giving Morris a healthy 200 carries and 35 targets while preserving Juszczyk's role (he may get a 10% bump across the board)
Breida should still garner around 150+ rushes and 60-80 targets out of the backfield... Which I could conservatively imagine translating to 600-700 rushing yards, 50-65 catches, 400-500 receiving yards with somewhere between 4-6 total touchdowns.
In a PPR that ranges out to 175 - 221 Total Points at a CONSERVATIVE spectrum (assuming the washed up alfred morris has that sizeable of a role) The bottom end of this spectrum is around Lynch, Henry, Burkhead projections while the top is near joe mixon, Jordan Howard, and the original mckinnon projection (RB15-17ish)
He's a year further in the shanahan scheme and front office drafted the guy specifically for his skill set...
All offseason he has been working on route running and catching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E-cFhEe6vs
Coming from a 49er fan (slight bias) that watched and loved breida last year and his athleticism is real with sub 4.4 speed; I'm picking up breida everywhere in anticipation of massive upside opportunity. Could be an easy plug and play weekly RB2 out of the gates in PPR leagues. I do not expect Breida at his smaller frame (200 Pounds Now!) to assume touches to the tune of 200+ carries, but its in the realm of possibilities especially if Morris isn't the back he was as a rookie with shanny. (Glowing reports of Breida all offseason and in camp have helped me truly believe in this opinion)
Breida should still garner around 150+ rushes and 60-80 targets out of the backfield... Which I could conservatively imagine translating to 600-700 rushing yards, 50-65 catches, 400-500 receiving yards with somewhere between 4-6 total touchdowns.
In a PPR that ranges out to 175 - 221 Total Points at a CONSERVATIVE spectrum (assuming the washed up alfred morris has that sizeable of a role) The bottom end of this spectrum is around Lynch, Henry, Burkhead projections while the top is near joe mixon, Jordan Howard, and the original mckinnon projection (RB15-17ish)
He's a year further in the shanahan scheme and front office drafted the guy specifically for his skill set...
All offseason he has been working on route running and catching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E-cFhEe6vs
Coming from a 49er fan (slight bias) that watched and loved breida last year and his athleticism is real with sub 4.4 speed; I'm picking up breida everywhere in anticipation of massive upside opportunity. Could be an easy plug and play weekly RB2 out of the gates in PPR leagues. I do not expect Breida at his smaller frame (200 Pounds Now!) to assume touches to the tune of 200+ carries, but its in the realm of possibilities especially if Morris isn't the back he was as a rookie with shanny. (Glowing reports of Breida all offseason and in camp have helped me truly believe in this opinion)
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