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Maurile Tremblay said:
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The big red X is not about whether the protesters had a permit. It's about whether the counter-protesters had a permit. Trump said they didn't. He was wrong. They did.
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sho nuff said:
The article yiu quoted was about the statement made that the counter protests did not have permits.  You get that, right? What you pointed out was thatvTrump repeated fake news by stating that they didn't.

Most people understand the big red X was about that.  The others were not in the title or mentioned until after the red X.

I dont think you have a better understanding as you have twisted the whole article.
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:bag:

I'll always admit when I was mistaken. 

 
Fox news newest member pretty much admits the fake news channel is just Trump propaganda

: "How about when the mainstream media stops covering Russia day in and day out, maybe we can drop the Hillary email scandal." Tomi 

 
Going way back to November 2015 Trump the biggest fake news President of all time claimed he met Putin when filming 60 minutes.

In fact, they weren't even on the same continent. Trump was interviewed by CBS's Scott Pelley in his New York City penthouse for the season premiere of the hour-long docu-series, while Charlie Rose traveled to Moscow to interview Vladimir Putin.

Trump later admitted to Bill O'Reilly he made it all up.(What else can you do when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar)

 
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[scooter] said:
What does it have to do with the subject of this thread?

Do you have a general belief that CNN is fake news, while also believing that CNN should be obligated to advance your personal political agenda? Because those two beliefs are in direct contradiction with each other.
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Well for starters I figured it was more respectful to post it in the latest CNN fake news thread than to post it in John McCain's brain cancer thread.  For seconds I didn't want to start a thread for it on its own and tried to find a relatively fitting place.  For three, having John McCain on to shill war propaganda is about as fake news as it gets.  On what planet is threatening the annihilation of NK a normal perspective for a US Senator to have?  

Where did I imply CNN has to think the way I think?  Like seriously where did you get that?  

 
ren hoek said:
[scooter] said:
What does it have to do with the subject of this thread?

Do you have a general belief that CNN is fake news, while also believing that CNN should be obligated to advance your personal political agenda? Because those two beliefs are in direct contradiction with each other.
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Well for starters I figured it was more respectful to post it in the latest CNN fake news thread than to post it in John McCain's brain cancer thread.  For seconds I didn't want to start a thread for it on its own and tried to find a relatively fitting place.  For three, having John McCain on to shill war propaganda is about as fake news as it gets.  On what planet is threatening the annihilation of NK a normal perspective for a US Senator to have?  

Where did I imply CNN has to think the way I think?  Like seriously where did you get that?  
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You think it's CNN's obligation to challenge (or outright banish) politicians who espouse views that you disagree with. That's what a fake news outlet would do.

You are accusing CNN of being fake news while demanding that they behave like a fake news outlet.

 
[scooter] said:
You think it's CNN's obligation to challenge (or outright banish) politicians who espouse views that you disagree with. That's what a fake news outlet would do.

You are accusing CNN of being fake news while demanding that they behave like a fake news outlet.
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Nope, I sure don't.  That I think McCain's statement is disgusting and Jake Tapper is a pathetic coward for letting it air uncontested is not the same thing as thinking CNN should adopt all of my opinions and banish anyone who disagrees with them.  Total strawman 

 
Homer J Simpson said:
Missed this the first time around.  Beautiful.
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I know I'm Hippling here but my favorite part was in the lead up to the Maxine bit where he states 

"America is not a c´racist nation, it is time we stop acting like it is", then he's uncertain of what to say next and you a´can almost see the thought flashing across his synapses "and maybe not make this kind of segue"

 
He's not suffering from dementia! Alex Jones has sniffed out the truth once more!

Ladies and gentlemen, I was told this by high level sources and it was evident and especially after Reagan was shot in his first year in office when he was acting like Trump, and doing the right things, that he never really recovered. They gave him cold blood, and his transfusion that causes brain damage. They slowly gave him small amounts of sedatives. It’s known that most presidents end up getting drugged. Small dosages of sedatives till they build it up, Trump’s such a bull he hasn’t fully understood it yet.

But I’ve talked to people, multiple ones, and they believe that they are putting a slow sedative that they’re building up that’s also addictive in his Diet Cokes and in his iced tea and that the president by 6 or 7 at night is basically slurring his words and is drugged. Now first they had to isolate him to do that. But yes, ladies and gentleman, I’ve talked to people that talk to the president now at 9 at night, he is slurring his words. And I’m going to leave it at that. I’ve talked to folks that have talked to him directly…

Now I’m risking my life, by the way, to tell you all this… They drug presidents because the power structure wants a puppet. The president needs his blood tested by an outside physician he trusts.”
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You: war propaganda is real news too!

Also you: criticizing something is the same thing as believing it can never hold an opinion that is different from yours therefore you want fake news.

just unreal stupid 

 
roadkill1292 said:
But yes, ladies and gentleman, I’ve talked to people that talk to the president now at 9 at night, he is slurring his words.
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I take it this is Roger Stone. And then assume this is true, because Roger and Donald are like peas in a pod.

And let's exclude the 'Deep State Bad Men Are Drugging Donald Trump' theory.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Btw Dan Cohen is apparently partners with Max Blumenthal. Not a criticism here, and I say this with affection, but it's constantly funny to me how as basically a right wing anarcho-libertarian (yes?) you constantly post left wing stuff.
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Well, they are actually anti-war.  I follow/respect both of them a lot.  It's interesting that the centerleft hillary supporters seem to get the most up in arms about that.  I disagree with them about stuff like the minimum wage, nationalized healthcare and regulatory agency, but there's a lot of common ground elsewhere.  You could pretty much call me a voluntaryist or ancap.  So much of new right politics is wrapped up in populist nationalism and white victimhood.  I'm just not a fan.  

SaintsInDome2006 said:
This isn't really a mystery. I mean take the most pacifist imaginable US president elected or unelected ever, from Jimmy Carter to Dennis Kucinich to anyone else. If NK shot a missile into US land, what do you think the result would be? A polite note to stop?
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He said the price of aggression.  Well what is aggression?  Bombing South Korea?  Continuing its nuclear program?  What is that supposed to mean?  McCain is talking about wiping out civilization for whatever his definition of aggression is.  It's not just McCain either, it's Trump threatening fire and fury from his golf course too.  Just terrible

 
ren hoek said:
Well, they are actually anti-war.  I follow/respect both of them a lot.  It's interesting that the centerleft hillary supporters seem to get the most up in arms about that.  I disagree with them about stuff like the minimum wage, nationalized healthcare and regulatory agency, but there's a lot of common ground elsewhere.  You could pretty much call me a voluntaryist or ancap.  So much of new right politics is wrapped up in populist nationalism and white victimhood.  I'm just not a fan.  

He said the price of aggression.  Well what is aggression?  Bombing South Korea?  Continuing its nuclear program?  What is that supposed to mean?  McCain is talking about wiping out civilization for whatever his definition of aggression is.  It's not just McCain either, it's Trump threatening fire and fury from his golf course too.  Just terrible
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I always enjoy getting your perspective so thanks for the first reply.

On the second the clip is truncated but I took that "aggression" as almost certainly being a missile fired onto US territory, though IMO an empty shell fired into the sea off Guam wouldn't qualify.

I also find the Trump supporters who spent so much time (albeit sometimes rightly) decrying decisions made in Iraq, Syria & Libya so ready to go to war with Korea, just plain crazy.

 
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Republican governors get into the ‘news’ business

By Bill Barrow | AP September 19 at 9:44 AM

ATLANTA — Republican governors are getting into the “news” business.

The Republican Governors Association has quietly launched an online publication that looks like a media outlet and is branded as such on social media. The Free Telegraph blares headlines about the virtues of GOP governors, while framing Democrats negatively. It asks readers to sign up for breaking news alerts. It launched in the summer bearing no acknowledgement that it was a product of an official party committee whose sole purpose is to get more Republicans elected.

Only after The Associated Press inquired about the site last week was a disclosure added to The Free Telegraph’s pages identifying the publication’s partisan source.

The governors association describes the website as routine political communication. Critics, including some Republicans, say it pushes the limits of honest campaign tactics in an era of increasingly partisan media and a proliferation of “fake news” sites, including those whose material became part of an apparent Russian propaganda effort during the 2016 presidential campaign.

“It’s propaganda for sure, even if they have objective standards and all the reporting is 100 percent accurate,” said Republican communications veteran Rick Tyler, whose resume includes Ted Cruz’s 2016 presidential campaign.

The website was registered July 7 through Domains By Proxy, a company that allows the originators of a website to shield their identities. An AP search did not find any corporate, Federal Election Commission or IRS filings establishing The Free Telegraph as an independent entity.

As of early Monday afternoon, The Free Telegraph’s Twitter account and Facebook page still had no obvious identifiers tying the site to RGA. The site described itself on Twitter as “bringing you the political news that matters outside of Washington.” The Facebook account labeled The Free Telegraph a “Media/News Company.” That’s a contrast to the RGA’s Facebook page, which is clearly disclosed as belonging to a “Political Organization,” as is the account of its counterpart, the Democratic Governors Association.

RGA Chairman Scott Walker, governor of Wisconsin, deferred questions through a spokesman to the group’s national staff. At RGA, spokesman Jon Thompson said the site is “just another outlet to share those positive results” of the GOP’s 34 Republican governors.

It’s not unprecedented for politicians to try their hand at news distribution. President Donald Trump’s daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, hosted “real news” video segments in the summer, posted to the president’s Facebook page. In one typical segment she told viewers she wanted to highlight “all the accomplishments the president had this week because there’s so much fake news out there.”

Vice President Mike Pence, when he was Indiana governor, pitched the idea of a news agency run by state government, but he ditched the idea in 2015 after criticism. In both cases, however, Lara Trump and Pence were not aiming to hide the source of the content.

But the RGA site has Democrats, media analysts and even some Republicans crying foul.

Democrats say Republicans are laying the groundwork with headlines that will appear in future digital and television ads, while also providing individual voters with fodder to distribute across social media.

“They’re just seeding the ground,” said Angelo Carusone, who runs Media Matters, a liberal watchdog group. “They are repackaging their opposition research so it’s there as ‘news,’ and at any moment that publication could become the defining moment of the narrative” in some state’s campaign for governor.

Political communications expert Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a University of Pennsylvania professor who has studied political advertising for four decades, said The Free Telegraph commits a form of “identity theft” by “appropriating the integrity of news” because “the form of news carries credibility” that blatantly partisan sites do not.

Jamieson was particularly critical of RGA’s initial failure to disclosure its involvement. “What we know about audiences is they factor in the source of information when judging that information,” she said. “If you are denying the reader, the listener or the viewer information you know the reader uses, the question is why do you feel the need to do this?”

A recent RGA fundraising email said the site was “fact-checking the liberal media” and is a counter to “decades of demonizing Republicans.” Playing off President Donald Trump’s dismissal of “fake news,” the email said media “can say whatever they like about us — whether it’s true or not.”

Some of The Free Telegraph’s content plays off of material from traditional media organizations and from right-leaning outlets such as The Daily Caller. RGA press releases are linked. Some headlines and photos are exact duplicates of RGA press releases.

In the days after Hurricane Harvey made landfall in Texas and Louisiana, the site included headlines praising Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, for his response. There were no such headlines for Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat.

The content is far tamer than from some sites from that popped up during the 2016 presidential campaign to propagate sensational but baseless stories. But it does create a cache of headlines that could turn up in campaigns.

The first test is in this fall’s Virginia governor’s race pitting Democratic nominee Ralph Northam against Republican Ed Gillespie. Virginians already have seen another site, The Republican Standard, that is run by Virginia Republican operatives with ties to Gillespie, a former state and national party chairman, and to a firm that has been paid by the RGA. The Free Telegraph and its social media accounts frequently link The Republican Standard.

Northam campaign spokesman David Turner accused Gillespie and Republicans of “creating their own Pravda,” a nod to the official newspaper of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

The Gillespie campaign declined comment, referring questions back to the RGA.
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The Free Telegraph, with the RGA’s identifier: https://freetelegraph.com

The Free Telegraph, an archived page without the RGA label: http://web.archive.org/web/20170830121418/https:/freetelegraph.com/

 
The fake Tea Party Twitter account linked to Russia and followed by Sebastian Gorka

@tpartynews looked as American as could be. A Twitter account, its profile photo on the site was a "Tea Party" teapot in the colors of the American flag. Its cover photo was an image of the U.S. Constitution.

In the lead-up to the 2016 presidential election, @tpartynews posted pro-Trump, conservative and anti-immigrant messages. It regularly retweeted Fox News, Ann Coulter and other conservative Twitter accounts. And 22,000 accounts followed it -- one of them former White House advisor Sebastian Gorka's.

But @tpartynews wasn't American. It was part of a Russian propaganda operation, according to Russian journalists who discovered the link.

Those journalists discovered that @tpartynews was linked to Russia's Internet Research Agency, a shadowy news service with ties to the Kremlin -- one of up to 50 such twitter accounts which collectively had more than 600,000 followers. The Internet Research Agency was also the group linked to $100,000 worth of politically-themed ads purchased on Facebook during the 2016 election, the existence of which Facebook disclosed to Congress and the public earlier this month.

As with Facebook, there is growing evidence that foreign governments, including Russia, used Twitter to try and influence public opinion during the 2016 U.S. election.

Part of the Russian propaganda campaign during the election involved the creation of an entire army of trolls and automated "bots" on Twitter, which together overwhelmingly supported one candidate, according to two reports by US intelligence agencies.

Most of these accounts were "made to look like Trump supporters, but actually begin and end in Russia," says Samuel Woolley, the director of the Computational Propaganda project at the Oxford Internet Institute.

Woolley and his team tracked suspected bot accounts during the 2016 campaign.

Bots played a "powerful role in determining the flow of information among users" during the election campaign, Woolley's team concluded.

Bots "amplify someone's position," Woolley told CNN. "So people like to tell me, 'propaganda has been around forever.' But what I say to this is, 'when you computationally enhance propaganda, you have a much more difficult time parsing information and understanding actually what's going on."

The Russian campaign created an illusion of support, says Woolley, that was manufactured by people or institutions creating automated twitter accounts.

After reviewing 17 million tweets, the Oxford Internet Institute found that the automated accounts "supported Trump much more than Clinton.." and concluded there was a "... possibility that bots were a key player in allowing social media activity to influence the election in Trump's favour."

@tpartynews is no longer active. The account has been shut down by Twitter, though the company won't say why. According to Zakharov, the account ended just as Russian media began to expose it.

Evidence of Russian Twitter use is emerging as Facebook faces scrutiny following its disclosure of the ads purchased by Russians on that network during the election.

But there is a glaring difference in how the two social media companies are reacting to the news. While Facebook says it is working to prevent future misuse of its platform, Twitter says its plan is to let its open forum service fix itself. The company encourages users who see falsehoods being posted to counter that message with the truth. Twitter says it will not screen accounts based on political content -- though it does shut down accounts tied to terrorism, hate-related violence, and child pornography.

The company will not answer questions about specific accounts, and that includes @tpartynews.

When asked about specific policy, Twitter directed CNN to a June blog post written by its vice president of public policy, Colin Crowell.

"Twitter's open and real-time nature is a powerful antidote to the spreading of all types of false information. This is important because we cannot distinguish whether every single Tweet from every person is truthful or not. We, as a company, should not be the arbiter of truth," Crowell wrote.

Instead, Crowell said, it is up to "journalists, experts and engaged citizens" to correct misinformation.

Which brings us back to @tpartynews and one of its most prominent followers.

Woolley says getting influential social media users to follow Russian propaganda accounts was an important part of the disinformation campaign.

"The hope of the bot and the hope of the creator of the bot... is that someone picks it up and tweets it out, and then lots of other people make it viral."

Sebastian Gorka has that kind of influence and he was following @tpartynews. From January until he was pushed out in August, Gorka served as a deputy assistant to President Trump. He was a frequent guest on television and talk radio, and an avid Twitter user.

CNN contacted Gorka by e-mail to ask him if he knew he was following a potential Russian propaganda account, and if so why he would do that. In his response, he seemed to indicate that he did, saying that he followed it for the "same reason I follow CNN: ... to know what the Enemies of Truth are doing."
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ren hoek said:
You: war propaganda is real news too!

Also you: criticizing something is the same thing as believing it can never hold an opinion that is different from yours therefore you want fake news.

just unreal stupid 
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I'm not sure we're using the same definition of war propaganda.

What's your suggestion if North Korea fires, for instance, nuclear missiles at the U.S. or its allies?

 
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